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That's what I'm thinking.Could be due to removal of DRM and Microsofts original vision
That's what I'm thinking.Could be due to removal of DRM and Microsofts original vision
Fuck... Is XBL busted on the XB1 or something?
Here's hoping for X1 users that it's stuff that will be fixed with that big day 1 patch.Proelite was saying the OS was still buggy so maybe that?
Proelite was saying the OS was still buggy so maybe that?
Fuck... Is XBL busted on the XB1 or something?
Proelite was saying the OS was still buggy so maybe that?
Hmm, to those saying that it won't matter to the average person... I have to disagree. I remember when I worked at game retail during the whole Madden 30/60fps debacle and it was a pretty big deal to a lot of people who normally don't frequent message boards.
Aside from that, I can't tell you how many times people would ask what the best version was for any given game. People aren't as ill informed as GAF seems to think.
If someone is buying a next gen console then it most likely matters to them. Of course not 100% of the people but it matter to enough to have MS worried.
Word of mouth is a very powerful thing.
Has this been one of the most secretive console launches ever?
Why is getting simple information like resolution so difficult?
Seems like part of the DRM is still in on what they have out atm that might be part of the OS problems. The interesting thing is the required time part? I have no idea what that means but this could be why MS would embargo till launch and no one can really do any early reviews?
https://twitter.com/CoDeBarS/status/394130636169953280
Word of mouth is a very powerful thing.
Because it's Microsoft. When they were up for most of this generation, they belted it as loud as they could. Now that they are down, they keep quiet so the least amount of harm can be done.
Pretty shitty. I've never heard of a review embargo before because of the resolution a game is running at. They have already gone gold, what else is there left to do?
Word of mouth is a very powerful thing.
Seems like part of the DRM is still in on what they have out atm that might be part of the OS problems. The interesting thing is the required time part? I have no idea what that means but this could be why MS would embargo till launch and no one can really do any early reviews?
https://twitter.com/CoDeBarS/status/394130636169953280
Did you also forget about the rest of the world?The last 3 years of the 360 prove this. MS has been sitting on their ass for the last 3 years with the 360 and they still slaughter Sony each month in consoles sold(GTAV month aside).
Edit: And to throw in my own experience, I have an uncle who only had a Wii last gen and I thought was basically out of gaming. He wants to grab a PS4, though he thought it came out about 4 months from now.
this is a normal windows 8 error that the app isn't responding when you tried to open it
The last 3 years of the 360 prove this. MS has been sitting on their ass for the last 3 years with the 360 and they still slaughter Sony each month in consoles sold(GTAV month aside).
Edit: And to throw in my own experience, I have an uncle who only had a Wii last gen and I thought was basically out of gaming. He wants to grab a PS4, though he thought it came out about 4 months from now.
It still doesn't bode well for a new console. This is what happens when you tried to force unfriendly-DRM on your 40+ million users.
this is a normal windows 8 error that the app isn't responding when you tried to open it
Did you also forget about the rest of the world?
that has nothing to do with drm though. activation in this case means literally activating the app (eg multitasking), not authenticating it. the game just crashed
That's not my point. My point is that Microsoft had to immediately backtrack on their shitty call and are now stuck with a half-baked OS. Had they not focused so much on DRM in the past year and just took the hint from gamers, more time would have gone in to improve the stability of the software.
That's not my point. My point is that Microsoft had to immediately backtrack on their shitty call and are now stuck with a half-baked OS. Had they not focused so much on DRM in the past year and just took the hint from gamers, more time would have gone in to improve the stability of the software.
It still doesn't bode well for a new console. This is what happens when you tried to force unfriendly-DRM on your 40+ million users.
That's not my point. My point is that Microsoft had to immediately backtrack on their shitty call and are now stuck with a half-baked OS. Had they not focused so much on DRM in the past year and just took the hint from gamers, more time would have gone in to improve the stability of the software. Instead, they canned it a mere five months from launch and have been working around the clock to remove any traces of it and revert to how the 360 worked.
Someone just told you that it's a normal Windows 8 app error and you made it about DRM. Why?
You're making a whole lot of assumptions there. Half baked OS? Let's wait for some actual proof of that, ok?
Not sure why people who hate the X1, waste so much of their time on it. Wish people would worry about their own console.
Not sure why people who hate the X1, waste so much of their time on it. Wish people would worry about their own console.
I know that, forgot to mention it, my bad. Point still stands regarding momentum and word of mouth.
Maybe drastic but aren't things suggesting a delay as the 'right' thing to do for MS. OS problems, rushed unoptimised games, and a host of other issues related to stock.
Seriously fuck them if they're gonna push a broken product on their loyal fans/early adopters.
(hope it won't be broke!)
Risks, risks everywhere was writing CBOAT.
MS going all in.
Not sure why people who hate the X1, waste so much of their time on it. Wish people would worry about their own console.
More stuff from Dent for speculation.
https://twitter.com/TheKevinDent/status/394146557022334976
Ryan Q ‏@TyrantII
@TheKevinDent > @erikkain at @Forbes finally confirmed the MS has embargoes on their reviews for launch. What most people figured
Dr Dentenstein
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@TyrantII @erikkain @Forbes yeah, Erik is wrong. Shocker there though.
https://twitter.com/TheKevinDent/status/394147130190733312
Dr Dentenstein
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It's not about resolution it's about connectivity and the network stack :-0
Maybe new thread? Is Kevin Dent acceptable here in Neogaf?
M°°nblade;87568498 said:There's a difference between slacking a little bit mid-gen when you're already on top and missing the ball when you're about to launch a new console that everybody will be validating and comparing to the competition, regardless of how good your previous product was. I don't think most people are as brand royal as you think they are.
Maybe new thread? Is Kevin Dent acceptable here in Neogaf?
More stuff from Dent for speculation.
https://twitter.com/TheKevinDent/status/394146557022334976
Ryan Q ‏@TyrantII
@TheKevinDent > @erikkain at @Forbes finally confirmed the MS has embargoes on their reviews for launch. What most people figured
Dr Dentenstein
‏@TheKevinDent
@TyrantII @erikkain @Forbes yeah, Erik is wrong. Shocker there though.
https://twitter.com/TheKevinDent/status/394147130190733312
Dr Dentenstein
‏@TheKevinDent
It's not about resolution it's about connectivity and the network stack :-0
I'm actually not suggesting brand loyalty across generations. If you were to look at the 360 vs PS3 over the last 3 years only, I think you could make a very strong argument that PS3 was the better buy. Better/more exclusives, price and performance differences had been just about eliminated. Even PSN is pretty close to XBL at that point. People still bought more 360s. Because people "know" that the 360 is a better system, because that had been true for the first part of the gen. Also their friends probably already have 360s. That's why MS was still able to outsell while doing nothing.
Word of mouth builds momentum, and after a certain point it's too late to fix mistakes for that gen. I think MS's biggest and most fixable problem is the cost. They need to drop Kinect and the price, and they need to do it before this gets out of hand.
Not sure why people who hate the X1, waste so much of their time on it. Wish people would worry about their own console.
Proelite already told us this nice to have a second source though I guess. GAF > Internet > GAF
EDIT: to clarify Dent isn't getting his info from GAF, that's just the order in which the news appears.
Maybe new thread? Is Kevin Dent acceptable here in Neogaf?
Complaining about things which are subpar en masse is pretty much the only way to get a major corporation's attention. If you don't let them know that what they're doing is unacceptable, you tacitly accept what they give you. If people had kept quiet, you'd still be stuck with a DRM infested machine this November.
Also, people with persecution complexes on this board don't tend to stick around very long.
SenjutsuSage said his friend who works for MS said there's no such thing as OS problems and Proelite is probably wrong, but with this information from Kevin Dent I'm leaning to believe Proelite more.