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[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Its so funny when people talk of "healthy competition" in this forum. If competition is healthy, someone has to lose sometime. If sony hadnt lost so badly, we wouldnt of had the PS4. Sonys hot streak should put a fire under Microsoft. Nintendos loses should make sure they are firing on all cyclinders next time around.

I really hope you guys are not sports fans. If we transferred your ideas about competition to sports games, every game would end at a even score and the games would be a deadlock.

Now that said, dont mistake this as blind praise for sony. I think they are still a shitty company who make many bad decisions. But my allegiance above all else is to my tastes and my wallet and at this present Sony is working its damndest to satisfy both.

Instead of saying "we need healthy competition", what you should be saying is. "the market has spoken. Your turn microsoft. Why should we spend our money with you?"

I dunno if its a American thing, but there is far too much worry about faceless corperations. These are not people, these are businesses and you should only give a shit about how much money you are saving and what amount of good games you are getting. This "Too big to fail" "We cant have anyone dominating" mentality is inane.

If someone has a better product at a cheaper price, fuck yes they deserve all the success they can get.

 

[kaching]

They lost over 4 billion dollars with the PS3. The kind of massive downturn that was should never be repeated no matter how brief it was. It was not some easy recovery.

Sorry, I thought the perspective we were discussing this from was that of the gamer, in terms of how market dominance could mess things up.

In terms of Sony, it was a massive setback, but one they got into not because market dominance led them to stop competing but rather because they tried to compete too broadly. They tried to leverage their success in the console market into broader success with the HD disc war, as well as pushing grandiose plans to network PS3 with everything in the house. Not unlike the problem MS have gotten themselves into with the XBO.

 

[Manmademan]

Sorry I'm not buying that its a sold number and not a shipped number. Sony always uses shipped numbers. And yes I've seen that twitter quote.

This time Sony knows what's actually sold, since the vast majority of what's going out the door are preorders that were paid for well in advance.
you can think of the quote as "we have confirmed that 1 million preorders were sold/fulfilled in the first 24 hours."

This time and this time only "sold" makes sense.

 

[davepoobond]

Pretty cool. I wonder if ms will tout beating the numbers at all next week.

Sony better have a huge shipment ready before Black Friday.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I don't think this is true. They must be paying publishers to rent out their games to PSN customers. Also, running an online infrastructure like PSN is expensive and adding more users for free means more infrastructure to procure and support. This isn't free.

Yeah, you have a point, I didn't look at it that way.

 

[Windom Earle]

Great news, well deserved Sony! I'll stay with the PC for now and will jump in when the exclusive must haves (or GTA) are coming.

 

[eznark]

Cool, nice number

 

[metalslimer]

Sorry I'm not buying that its a sold number and not a shipped number. Sony always uses shipped numbers. And yes I've seen that twitter quote.

OK, then you can wait for NPD then.

 

[KZObsessed]

Unbelievable sales. Never expected that, especially not in 24 hours. They definitely deserve it. They created the most powerful system on the market while keeping it the easiest to develop for and made it $100 cheaper than the competition.

Hopefully the sales continue and it does well worldwide and in Japan. The industry definitely needs a successful PlayStation. All the indies supporting PS4 must be very excited, if the PS4 continues to take off then they're gonna make a fortune.

 

[mjc]

You know what came from Sony's absolute dominance? PS1 and PS2 Sony.

Sony was dominating consoles before the PS1 came out? Incredible.

It's pretty clear that some of you guys can't grasp business 101. Competition in any industry breeds excellence for everyone.

 

[twobear]

You know what came from Sony's absolute dominance? PS1 and PS2 Sony.

PS2 Sony wasn't really anything special, though. PS2 dominated because it sold a lot very early, not because it was the best product on the market from a hardware or cost perspective, and it was also a pain for developers.

 

[Zophar]

Sorry I'm not buying that its a sold number and not a shipped number. Sony always uses shipped numbers. And yes I've seen that twitter quote.

Feel free to walk in to your local retailer, pick up a console and prove us all wrong.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Sorry I'm not buying that its a sold number and not a shipped number. Sony always uses shipped numbers. And yes I've seen that twitter quote.

But you buy it when they use shipped numbers? Interesting. So what you are saying is regardless of the proof being 100% you choose not to believe it ... We're have I heard that before? Let's see if you believe MS shall we.

 

[Resistance100]

Sorry I'm not buying that its a sold number and not a shipped number. Sony always uses shipped numbers. And yes I've seen that twitter quote.

2 Sony higher ups have stated its sold through numbers (and even corrected publications that said it was shipped). I honesty don't see how you can dismiss that.

 

[ascii42]

Why do people say stuff like this? When was the last time that a system had massive (no, record breaking) initial demand, and then simply collapsed or heavily declined? Generally, if there's strong demand at launch, there will be strong demand for most of its lifespan. Arguably the only exception to this is the PSP, which got cannibalized to some extent by the DS. I doubt the PS4 will have this problem with the XB1 or Wii U.

If I remember correctly, the Dreamcast had what was at that time the biggest launch.

 

[Mung]

2 Sony higher ups have stated its sold through numbers (and even corrected publications that said it was shipped). I honesty don't see how you can dismiss that.

Stage 1

 

[Lion]

As someone else stated, it takes "about one game" for them to get back to profitability per console. Sony doesn't get 100% of the retail cost per game, their margin is less than that. it varies, but Sony usually makes about 10-15 bucks a game, more if it's a first party title like Knack or Killzone.

on top of that, most people are buying at least one game with the system, not to mention PS plus.

On top of that, they're giving away $10 in digital vouchers on PSN. Sony's margin on those games is higher than it is for retail games, since they don't pay retailers their cut. If someone buys GTAV with that voucher for their PS3, Sony makes a profit. Someone buys the digital version of Assassin's creed or whatever, Sony makes a profit. ten dollars is nothing in terms of PSN content- they routinely give plus subscribers 75 to 80% off of games during regular sales.

This makes it clear. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[BrokenEchelon]

You know what came from Sony's absolute dominance? PS1 and PS2 Sony.

Holy shit people.

the PSX is a direct result of COMPETITION with Nintendo.

The PS2 is a direct result of COMPETITION with Nintendo and Sega, followed by Microsoft as well.

It's not like Sony just made the system, put it out there, and the entire industry decided, yep, this is our leader and our god, we will endeavor to make the best games for it and it alone while ignoring everyone else.

 

[StoopKid]

Stage 1

Lmao.

 

[imt558]

PS2 Sony wasn't really anything special, though. PS2 dominated because it sold a lot very early, not because it was the best product on the market from a hardware or cost perspective, and it was also a pain for developers.

It has the best games and really bunch of them. Btw. XB and GC had a really good games to.

 

[Callibretto]

Sony was dominating consoles before the PS1 came out? Incredible.

It's pretty clear that some of you guys can't grasp business 101. Competition in any industry breeds excellence for everyone.

like how we got to pay for online gaming on playstation now right?

 

[Cow Goes Moo]

congrats sony

 

[Finalizer]

ps3 will NEVER outsell the Wii, you understand the concept steadily decreasing sales right?

Paging Parmenides...

 

[Tratorn]

Given this day one number there's a reasonable chance, it should at least top everything except the 3DS. Whether it tops the 3DS depends on how much of this momentum carries on vs how much momentum the 3DS sustains from Pokemon and the 2DS launch leading into the holiday shopping season. I think the PS4 will win out though.

It should be the best selling home console though.

How are the sales in canada normally? The 1 million on Day 1 includes canada sales, so it should be still a bit lower than 1m for NPD. And it also depends how many new consoles they can ship until the end of november.

Would like to know the canada/na split.

 

[rawd]

In other news Sony gives away over $10 million in PSN money in 24 hours.

I gave my $10 back to Sony for the extended warranty.

$50 for the protection plan
- $10 pack in credit
- $20 I made buying KZ and Knack with the 'Spend $50, Get $10' PSN promo

= $20 out of my pocket for 2 more years of coverage seemed like a good idea

 

[ascii42]

Exactly. And to be honest, Microsoft hasn't exactly been a very good influence for the gaming industry like Nintendo, Sega, & Sony were. They were never for the gamers, just for the living room from day one, etc.

The only things that they will be remembered greatly for is Halo & Xbox Live.

Xbox Live, as well as the Marketplace in general, were both hugely important contributions.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Europe was sony's capital territory for the PS3. It was huge in pretty much every region over here. I think, so long as they can stock enough consoles, a million sales in 24 hours should be easily achievable.

What were sony's expectations for the PS4 till march next year? 4 million? I believe that target will smashed before Christmas.
Looking forward to the 29th to pick my console up.

Microsoft's need to delay half the Euro launch will be even more devastating to them if Sony gets off to a hot start like that.

 

[Zyae]

Sorry, I thought the perspective we were discussing this from was that of the gamer, in terms of how market dominance could mess things up.

In terms of Sony, it was a massive setback, but one they got into not because market dominance led them to stop competing but rather because they tried to compete too broadly. They tried to leverage their success in the console market into broader success with the HD disc war, as well as pushing grandiose plans to network PS3 with everything in the house. Not unlike the problem MS have gotten themselves into with the XBO.

They thought they could get away with it because the competition was weaker in the PS2 era. They werent worried or concerned. Hubris.

 

[Deuterium]

Its so funny when people talk of "healthy competition" in this forum. If competition is healthy, someone has to lose sometime. If sony hadnt lost so badly, we wouldnt of had the PS4. Sonys hot streak should put a fire under Microsoft. Nintemdos loses should make sure they are firing on all cyclinders next time around.

I really hope you guys are not sports fans. If we transferred your ideas about competition to sports games, every game would end at a even score and the games would be a deadlock.

Now that said, dont miztake this as blind praise for sony. I think they are still a shitty company who make many bad decisions. But my allegiance above all else is to my tastes and my wallet and at this present Sony is working its damndest to satsify both.

Instead of saying "we need healthy competition", what you should be saying is. "the market has spoken. Your turn microsoft. Why should we spend our money with you?"

I dunno if its a American thing, but there is far too much worry about faceless corperations. These are not people, these are businesses and you should only give a shit about gow much money you are saving and what amount of good games you are getting. This "Too big to fail" "We cant have anyone dominating" mentality is inane.

If someone has a better product at a cheaper price, fuck yes they deserve all the success they can get.

Hi ThoughtofSpeaking,

I hear what your saying, and can appreciate to some extent. However, the sports analogy doesn't quite hold up, because free-market competition is not a zero-sum game. In other words, unlike a typical sporting match, there doesn't have to be a winner and a loser (or tie). Indeed, as previous generations have shown, there can exist a healthy "win-win" scenario. Heck, one could even argue that this past generation featured a "win-win-win" trifecta...with Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft all meeting and exceeding their own sales goals and targets.

P.S. -- Congrats Sony!

 

[Coffee Dog]

Good to hear. Now hopefully the PS4 outperforms the Xbone to the extent that the xbone gets few exclusives, so I can pick up one at the end of the gen and have a good library of games.

 

[Demon Ice]

Hahaha you fixed it so his hand goes to his mouth??

 

[Tiops]

people are only saying this because microsoft's marketshare is so totally dependent on what the US does as a market. Sony coming in this strong is BAD for them.

They're a non entity everywhere else but the UK- We already know Sony is going to dominate the EU and JP- microsoft has outright conceded these markets already.

I also think that PS4 will dominate, but it's not over yet. Let's wait at least a year before assuming that.

 

[NintendoRev]

Very cool, congrats to sony!

 

[mjc]

like how we got to pay for online gaming on playstation now right?

Money to be made, it was gonna happen sooner or later.

 

[Dion Blaster]

like how we got to pay for online gaming on playstation now right?

How is that anyone's fault but Sony's?

 

[Yawnier]

How are the sales in canada normally? The 1 million on Day 1 includes canada sales, so it should be still a bit lower than 1m for NPD. And it also depends how many new consoles they can ship until the end of november.

Would like to know the canada/na split.

Somebody said here earlier that Canada makes up 10 - 15% of that total or split usually, now I'm not sure what data past or present they were basing that off of, but it makes sense if you consider Canada is about 10 - 15% of the total population that makes up the US.

 

[JimmyRustler]

PS2 Sony wasn't really anything special, though. PS2 dominated because it sold a lot very early, not because it was the best product on the market from a hardware or cost perspective, and it was also a pain for developers.

It dominated early because it was the cheapest DVD player...

 

[MoogleWizard]

Can the same not be said of the PS4? We dont know their NA shipments, or if they could have sold more. Most people reporting in the thread regarding availability of the PS4 in NA are saying stores are out of stock.

The PS2 likely would have outsold them all if there really were more available.

Well, my first reaction to this news was "Wow, did they actually manage to make that many for launch?".

I think the PS2 and Wii would have outsold this easily if the units had been available. Both those consoles had crazy hype from the mainstream media and I remember so many "non gamers" talking about them, can't say the same for the PS4.

I'm not trying to downplay these sales, I just think they need to be put into perspective first when I look at posts saying "one console future" or "PS2 levels of dominance". I doubt there'll ever be a console as big and dominant as the PS2 again.

 

[Imtey]

I dont get why this is surprising... Didnt Tretton say there were 1 million preorders in NA like a month ago?

 

[noobasuar]

You know what came from Sony's absolute dominance? PS1 and PS2 Sony.

You do realize that third party games are going to be the same on at least 3 different platforms?

That dominance will never, ever happen again. It's funny that people even think it's a possibility.

I'm more interested in seeing what studios make games exclusive to these new systems. What kind of losses or gains are they going to have? It's gonna be interesting.

 

[SpudBud]

Holy Shit! That's a lot of units in 24 hours.

 

[rudieboy77]

Good for them I hope the XB sells just as well.

 

[S¡mon]

8 million of GDDR5 gloriousness.

 

[PreyingShark]

Glad to see that the PS4 is doing well.

 

[S¡mon]

I dont get why this is surprising... Didnt Tretton say there were 1 million preorders in NA like a month ago?

No, the last thing we heard was - at Gamescom - that there were one million pre-orders worldwide.

Now, they have sold over one million PS4s in the US and Canada alone.

 

[The Lamp]

like how we got to pay for online gaming on playstation now right?

Yeah. Competition is good, but only when it works. Xbox fans proved to Sony for years that even if you compete with a FREE service, gamers will hate it more than paying for ads, apps, and P2P multiplayer. Unfortunately, what conclusion are they supposed to draw from that? Thankfully, at least the paid service is worth the money.

Resogun is almost worth the subscription itself lol.

 

[JacksUsername]

Congrats to Sony; definitely earned it this time around.

 

[MOPP 4]

Realistically the X1 could beat it In a couple days due to shipping in more countries day one right?

so far both seem to be off to a flying start.

 

[Kacho]

Damn impressive. Congrats, Sony.

 

[Manmademan]

Well, my first reaction to this news was "Wow, did they actually manage to make that many for launch?".

I think the PS2 and Wii would have outsold this easily if the units had been available. Both those consoles had crazy hype from the mainstream media and I remember so many "non gamers" talking about them, can't say the same for the PS4.

I'm not trying to downplay these sales, I just think they need to be put into perspective first when I look at posts saying "one console future" or "PS2 levels of dominance". I doubt there'll ever be a console as big and dominant as the PS2 again.

definitely true. someone else pointed out that the PS2 almost DID sell this much in japan (980k or something) and there was a cargo ship that sank with a ton of PS2 units on it for the US launch.

The PS4 selling this well though is a testament to Sony designing a system they knew they would be able to manufacture in enough quantity and at the right price point to maximize demand. If rumors about yields are true, MS didn't quite do this and doesn't have the stock Sony does for launch.

Nintendo can't really be blamed for the wii launch though, no one saw that coming.