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Cliffy B says his next game will be a PC-only first person arena shooter
- Thread starter Doug Heffernan
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grandwizard
Member
The people bringing up Halo in a conversation about arena shooters need to go back and play some Quake, UT, Warsow, or even painkiller and educate themselves. It just shows how far removed we are from the arena shooter era where the term itself has lost most it's meaning, and it's primary use is generating hype for a vague concept of 'the good old days'.
Because trust me, it sure as hell didn't mean two weapon limits, on hand melee animations, on hand grenades, slow as molasses movement, floaty jumping physics, and aim assist loaded dual analog controls.
Because trust me, it sure as hell didn't mean two weapon limits, on hand melee animations, on hand grenades, slow as molasses movement, floaty jumping physics, and aim assist loaded dual analog controls.
Why is that? We're getting an arena shooter from someone who designed quite a few amazing levels for one of best [game series] in the subgenre. Sounds good to me
If it's a true arena shooter that actually requires skill and doesn't have some stupid ass perk system...then count me in.
I'd love to see some more UT, Painkiller, Quake, etc. titles.
@ the people saying "eww, PC only?"...uhhh have you tried to play a twitch-based arena shooter with a gamepad? it's horrendous.
I'd love to see some more UT, Painkiller, Quake, etc. titles.
@ the people saying "eww, PC only?"...uhhh have you tried to play a twitch-based arena shooter with a gamepad? it's horrendous.
plagiarize
Banned
Personally speaking, I did play UT3 for hundreds of hours, albeit mostly on PS3 (my PC wasn't up to snuff at the time it came out, though I did play it on PC after I upgraded). I didn't play Quake Live for hundreds of hours because it just seemed like Quake 3 Arena again but now stuck in a web browser. I played Shootmania for dozens of hours. I didn't play Planetside 2 because... well it isn't an arena shooter. It's an MMO. CS:GO I didn't play for the same reason I didn't play CS. I'm not a fan of modern military themed shooters.
Shalashaska161
Member
I can't wait. I'm sick of every FPS aping CoD. There is so much room for variety in the genre.
coz all his games are awful (imo imo imo imo)
bulletstorm was so cringey and meh i dont even know where to start
Forsaken82
Member
Planetside 2 is hardly an arena shooter of the same level of Quake 3 or UT. Shootmania, while it has the mechanics, its extremely restrictive and the amatuer level design does nothing good for it. As for CS: Go people don't like change.
There is room for a good new Arena shooter. It just hasn't been made yet.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
He designed nothing in that game
Hahaha
Rickenslacker
Banned
Can't believe there's any kind of resistance towards the idea, the genre's been ruttin' with derivatives for a while now and it could use a refresher from the past. You don't need to attract the COD audience on PC, or even want to -- it's far from the most popular FPS on Steam, and even the fact that it's an FPS doesn't necessarily mean that the audience needs to intersect. On a platform where a genre like MOBAs can explode to obscene popularity, yeah, an arena shooter can carve out a niche for itself given the devs (or pub) dedicate themselves to not sabotage the attempt as other similar prospects have seen in recent years. Just because the audience is starving doesn't mean they'll set the bar low for what they want.
PeopleCanFly/Epic Poland designed that.
ok
then pc gamers have nothing to worry about then lol
edit: ok google is my friend apparently, nvr knew he had anything to do with unreal, and brother in arms
i take it back
move nothing to see here
I just want another Wolfenstein ET
Your getting that,look up Extraction.
Doug Heffernan
Member
I take it you've never played UT...
-MD-
Member
Please, don't feel sorry for us, PC gaming is pretty fuckin' sweet.
since a few of you highlighted bulletstorm, i used that amazing tool called google (you heard of it?)
never realised the amount of games he was involved in
i take it back
but i still think his a massive douche (just like ive just been) hmmmm?!?!
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Oh? Yeah? What if I were to tell you I played those games and loved the shit out of them, but also loved Halo?
Halo was just a slower paced, more methodical arena shooter designed for controllers. We're all in the same boat; players have been craving a solid arena shooter in both respects.
How was it more methodical?
I've tried playing Halo several times and it's bored the crap out of me each time. Far too slow and floaty for my liking.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
You just answered your own question. It was just a slower and floatier paced arena shooter.
There was a time where Unreal Championship and Halo 2 were competing on XBL, and they were both extremely fun to play. Just because Halo was slower and bored people used to only the fast paced intensity of PC arena shooters, doesn't mean it wasn't an arena shooter; it was just a different flavor.
Take CoD and BF for example. They're both military shooters occupying similar spaces, but they play differently.
slower != more methodical
I'd argue that Quake and UT were far more methodical and strategic than Halo. Map control, timers, weapon selection, etc. - there was so much more to these games than just aim.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
If you made millions of dollars by your mid 30s (at a job you started as a teenager) you'd probably take some time away and pursue some vanity projects. Cliffy wasn't wrong when he said that consoles were the place to be for games like Gears (and the sales bear that out), nor is he wrong in targeting this lower budget, higher skill ceiling game at PCs. Being wealthy from his decades of work give him the comfort to do what he pleases, independently.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Yeah maybe methodical wasn't the best way to describe it, but you get the idea of what I meant.
Also, Halo had the bolded. You should've given it more of a chance, especially CE because it had the deepest meta game of any Halo. There's a lot to Halo that you probably don't know because you haven't played it extensively, but it's definitely up there.
fluffydelusions
Member
This makes no sense. I'm sure CS:GO sold more on PC than consoles. Of course I have no proof of that. Not sure why you think games can't sell better on PC.
qa_engineer
Member
Meh.
Tears of War: Space Marines in Space
Tears of War: Space Marines in Space
quickdevilred
Banned
umm you have to do all that stuff in halo as well
there was a reason halo 2 and 3 were favorites of the professional crowd while reach and up have been dropped from the roster.
AcceptableGhost
Member
if it was on console it would defeat the purpose of the game
Sho_Nuff82
Member
The "he betrayed PC gaming" posts read like Nintendo/Square fan fiction.
Except auto aim. And the biggest thing about arena shooters is movement. Which if you say halo has movement depth like Quake, UT, Painkiller etc, then I'm going to have to say you don't know what you're talking about.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Wrong. This is only true of people who started with Halo 2 or Halo 3, but anyone who put 3 years into CE despise what Bungie did to competitive Halo.
CE aim assist wasn't too bad and there was actually a pretty deep skill curve compared to later games. You're right though, movement is essential in arena shooters.. something that did always feel lacking in Halo games. After CE, movement should've been faster and more tighter, not slower and floatier.
Bungie continued to design Halo for "casual" play, or at least that's how it felt. Then 343 chased the CoD with Halo 4 and we all saw how that went..
Shake Appeal
Member
Hi! I grew up playing Quake and UT (in fact, the first multiplayer shooter I played was Doom 1 via IPX!), and Halo is still an arena shooter.
Peace and love,
SA
I dont think it matters, we arent looking for a slow arena shooter here..
Arena shooters are built around item rotation, Halo has (health)/armor regeneration and weapon limit.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Rest assured, Cliff seems to be bored of COD as much as we are.
Arena shooters are a whole different animal.
Thug Waffle
Member
This is excellent news. I can't think of too many people better qualified to deliver something like this in the contemporary market.
Get 'er done, Clifford.
Get 'er done, Clifford.
grandwizard
Member
Exactly. I'm not saying you can only like one style exclusively. I'm saying they are completely different styles of gameplay within the FPS genre, and even a small glance at something like Quake or HLDM for comparison will show that.
I understand Halo fans are pissed that Bungie abandoned them for the greener pastures of unlocks and grinding COD-style, but now you know how it felt for PC shooter fans when Halo got big and everyone started chasing that console shooter money. CliffyB included.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
The sad truth ;'[
We're all in this together! Arena shooters were my favorite thing at one point, then the world ended.. Clifford and 343 have a real opportunity to bring back both flavors of arena shooters on their respective platforms.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
I'm in for a ps4 version.
Terbinator
Member
Future PhaZe
Member
We need a middleground between both of these. Creating an HD remake of the same concepts that were perfected by UT4 and Q3 are the reasons that UT3 ended up as a dud.
Cliffy created a very original and well done shooter in Gears of War and I'm hoping he can do something similar with the arena genre.