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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 2. Haswell = #IntelnoTIM, but free online. READ THE OP.
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Coreda
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Yikes, so much info available! After some research here's the draft part list for my first build:
CPU: Intel i5-4670K
CPU Cooler: CM Hyper TX3 92mm
GPU: MSI N760 TF 2GD5/OC (aka Twin Frozr)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87E-ITX (LGA1150)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 4GB DDR3-1600 (1.5v)
Storage: WD Caviar Blue 1TB
Case: EVGA Hadron Air Mini ITX
PSU: 500W 80+ Gold non-modular 1U server form factor (included with the case)
Basically I was looking at building a system that can handle most games in high/best settings on a 1440p monitor. From what I've seen this would support it.
Has anyone here built using the Hadron Air case? I'm really liking the size and design. From what I've read most change the top fans to intake, although read one that said it caused their GPU to whurr a bit more and the 'blower' style GPU fans are better suited. I'd prefer a quieter system so I think I'll stick to the regular-style GPU fans (the MSI is apparently rather quiet).
CPU: Intel i5-4670K
CPU Cooler: CM Hyper TX3 92mm
GPU: MSI N760 TF 2GD5/OC (aka Twin Frozr)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87E-ITX (LGA1150)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 4GB DDR3-1600 (1.5v)
Storage: WD Caviar Blue 1TB
Case: EVGA Hadron Air Mini ITX
PSU: 500W 80+ Gold non-modular 1U server form factor (included with the case)
Basically I was looking at building a system that can handle most games in high/best settings on a 1440p monitor. From what I've seen this would support it.
Has anyone here built using the Hadron Air case? I'm really liking the size and design. From what I've read most change the top fans to intake, although read one that said it caused their GPU to whurr a bit more and the 'blower' style GPU fans are better suited. I'd prefer a quieter system so I think I'll stick to the regular-style GPU fans (the MSI is apparently rather quiet).
You can't go wrong with Kharma's recommendations. You obviously have the money for it so don't skimp on parts. Anything kharma recommends is quality.
ebullientprism
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Wait, is i3 actually a good gaming proccessor now?
For a low to mid range budget sure. It's decent.
Infinite Justice
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+1 to this if I was gonna build another system
ebullientprism
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I am on a low-mid range budget. The i5 4670 is out of reach. I asked about the AMD 8320 earlier but thats not too hot apprently (and very hot literally
). So is i3 a better option for my budget?I am on a low-mid range budget. The i5 4670 is out of reach. I asked about the AMD 8320 earlier but thats not too hot apprently (and very hot literally
yeah.
I assume this post is relevant.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=94975852&postcount=19542
i3 4340 is all you need, new Haswell chip does great with games, will not bottleneck your card.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
That build is getting a lot of love on PC GAF. Can it do 1440p?
Graphics card would needed upping for better performance.
Out of curiosity : if somebody wants to spend big on their system . why not just recommend a GTX 780 (TI ) Out of the gate ?
I think kharna was working from the perspective of 'they don't actually know what a good gaming pc costs"
Ah. ok i understand .
And yes that is a great build regardless.
Although he probably should have asked what he expects of that PC.
Someone telling me he wants to spend 2000$ on his system makes me think of a highend . close to extreme build PC.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
But otherwise good? Interesting.
Yep. For people like me who will build their first gaming PC in... over a decade of gaming, I have no idea what it costs. Good to hear. For me, money isn't an issue but at the same time, I don't want to spend more than I need. I'd like to hit a good value spot.
Infinite Justice
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Yep.
But I'm usually not a high end person so that card would seem fine (I don't mind playing in 720p or less tbh)
Yes plus you get the stuff that have become recommended as time has passed (like a nice SSD)
Intel messed up with their binning. The Haswell version of Core i3 is all you need if you strictly want to game. The only not very technical need that warrants a better CPU is heavy multitasking.
It may be the absolute best GPU but it's not cost efficient.
Only get it (and multiples of them) if you want to attempt 4k or lightboost gaming.
Get rid of the MSI G45 Gaming. Choices now should be the Biostar Z87W, then the Z87X and the top one for most the UD3H.
Online gaming like BF4 will still benefit from a proper quad core, plus you've the unlocked multiplier. The i3 is great for lower mid range builds but an unlocked i5 is still the sweet spot.
I'd concur. I can do it but ideally you'd be looking at a 280X or a 770, leaning more towards the 280X.
With his budget, he should substitute the 760 for a 780 TI or at least an OC'd 780. If he can afford it then difference is probably worth it.
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For practical purposes no difference over overclocked intel CPUs in games
Oh totally but I was just giving a rough ball park for a really good system without breaking the bank. Just because there is a big budget doesn't mean it all needs to be spent. Part of me would feel that a 760 is plenty at present for 1080p gaming and a more worthwhile investment would be the 20nm cards when they come out.
There is, I'll try and hoke out some frame time graphs that mkenyon did.
Yeah the EZIO is definitely getting in there.
No on the i3, more power = higher minimum framerates and a smoother experience. FPS might change from 85 to 87, but the 87 means all the bumps in the road that happen at 23FPS can now be 28FPS instead.
If you have latency benchmarks I'll be interested in that. I've only seen FPS benchmarks except for 1 site and they weren't doing much of a comparison to a large enough variety of CPUs.
The only thing mkenyon does is latency benches.
Hey guys
I am looking to build my first PC ever. It's scaring the hell out of me, but I do have a friend who built 1 computer before who is going to help me out. I'm not 100% sure of my budget, but I was looking to spend 800-1K, Including the cost of windows, and a DVD burner. I was looking at the "Great" in the OP, which seemed to be what I was looking for, but I did have some questions
There are a few questions I had though-
1. Do I need to buy anything special in order to connect to the internet? I figure I would need some sort of wireless card if I wanted wireless, but do motherboards come with wired adaptors?
2. The only thing I am truly worried about in the build is a CPU fan- it seems like the most unintuitive part of the whole build. Why do I need one/what happens if I don't have one/are their builds that don't need an extra one?
3. assuming I placed an order for all of the parts, apart from an HDMI cable to connect the monitor, what other stuff would I need? Do I need Sata cables?
4. I get the difference between size of cases in regards to form factor, but what is the actual difference between a 40 dollar case and an 80 dollar case? Is it actually worth the money?
I guess, could anyone recommend me a build based on my budget and needs? I want to be able to play Titanfall at a reasonable resolution/framerate/quality when it comes out.
I am looking to build my first PC ever. It's scaring the hell out of me, but I do have a friend who built 1 computer before who is going to help me out. I'm not 100% sure of my budget, but I was looking to spend 800-1K, Including the cost of windows, and a DVD burner. I was looking at the "Great" in the OP, which seemed to be what I was looking for, but I did have some questions
There are a few questions I had though-
1. Do I need to buy anything special in order to connect to the internet? I figure I would need some sort of wireless card if I wanted wireless, but do motherboards come with wired adaptors?
2. The only thing I am truly worried about in the build is a CPU fan- it seems like the most unintuitive part of the whole build. Why do I need one/what happens if I don't have one/are their builds that don't need an extra one?
3. assuming I placed an order for all of the parts, apart from an HDMI cable to connect the monitor, what other stuff would I need? Do I need Sata cables?
4. I get the difference between size of cases in regards to form factor, but what is the actual difference between a 40 dollar case and an 80 dollar case? Is it actually worth the money?
I guess, could anyone recommend me a build based on my budget and needs? I want to be able to play Titanfall at a reasonable resolution/framerate/quality when it comes out.
Infinite Justice
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Wait what happened here?
1. Motherboard will have the ethernet port.
2. CPU will come with a fan/heatsink. you need it to cool the CPU. Aftermarket coolers are better and highly recommended for overclocking.
3. Motherboard will include 2 SATA cable most likely. This would suffice if you will have 1 memory drive and one dvd drive.
4. More money, more features. Some provide better cooling solutions, etc. Ultimately as the OP states, case comes down to personal preference. GO with something you will like to look at.
I'll let Kharma handle the build recommendation.
2. CPU will come with a fan/heatsink. you need it to cool the CPU. Aftermarket coolers are better and highly recommended for overclocking.
3. Motherboard will include 2 SATA cable most likely. This would suffice if you will have 1 memory drive and one dvd drive.
4. More money, more features. Some provide better cooling solutions, etc. Ultimately as the OP states, case comes down to personal preference. GO with something you will like to look at.
I'll let Kharma handle the build recommendation.
Piercedveil
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Anyone else have an i5 3570k and an Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo? Just curious as to what type of overclock I'd be able to achieve. I'm running either a CM 212+ or EVO (can't remember off the top of my head) as my heatsink.
I will give it a shot later on tonight.
I will give it a shot later on tonight.
If its overbudget then drop the SSD or get a 120GB model to reduce costs. But also you can get a cheaper CPU&Mobo if you are not overclocking.
1. I would rather get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704165 instead a wireless adapter
2. The CPU comes with stock cooler. If you are overclocking then you will need an aftermarket heatsink like Cooler Master which is a pain in the ass to install for first time builders but if you watch some youtube videos you will be fine.
3. I guess the HDD and SSD come with sata cables. Motherboards tends to come with 2 sata cables.
4. Case form factor depends on your motherboard. The most commons cases are mid towers where you can find really good options. Most people cheap their cases but since is your first time building getting a good case like the fractal , corsair 200 or 300r will make the building process flawless and easier but this is in my opinion a personal preference.
Generally hard drives and SSDs DO NOT come with Cables. Motherboards will come with 2 to 4 cables.
Erebus
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This is just looking at solely the 3570K and the effect of clock speed
These charts are interesting, I've never seen them before. So it looks like the sweet spot for the 3570K is at 4.4GHz. Do you have charts for other CPUs as well?
Alright, this is good to knowNoRéN;95097334 said:
I guess I won't be overclocking (because I don't even know what that is). Anything involving thermal paste is a no-go for me
Thank you. That's all I'm planning on, an SSD is a luxury that I will not be having in order to get the best CPU/Motherboard/Graphics Card I can afford.
This is what I figured. I'm probably just going to look for one that isn't black so it doesn't attract dust like crazy in my room.
I'll let Kharma handle the build recommendation.
*waiting patiently*
Great build is still solid, I don't think we've changed anything there except also a suggestion for the EVGA 500W Bronze PSU.
. Get a 120/128GB SSD too.
There is this article on CPUs though: http://techreport.com/review/23246/inside-the-second-gaming-performance-with-today-cpus
You can see other frame latency benches at PCPER and TechReport, but using one fixed speed CPU.
No, it was just his personal tests to run as proof of concept.
There is this article on CPUs though: http://techreport.com/review/23246/inside-the-second-gaming-performance-with-today-cpus
You can see other frame latency benches at PCPER and TechReport, but using one fixed speed CPU.
Every cooler involves thermal paste. Just some come pre applied. You shouldn't limit yourself like this. It is really easy. A little dab will do you.
And SSD is far from a luxury. It is the single biggest improvement in speed you can do to a computer. Everything on the computer runs faster. I would argue that you are better off getting a 128gig SSD and only installing a few games at a time than you are getting a 1-2tb drive.
Your Current Specs: CPU / RAM / Motherboard / GPU (Graphics) / PSU (Power Supply) / Case / HDD (Hard Drive): N/A
Budget: Price Range + Country: $700, US
Main Use: Rate 1-5. 5 being Highest: Light Gaming, Gaming, Emulation (PS2/Wii), Video Editing, Streaming games in HD, 3D/Model work (and what program), General Usage (Word, Web, 1080p playback): Gaming (In particular FFXIV ARR)
Monitor Resolution: What resolution will you be playing your games at? Are you going to upgrade later? Are you buying a new monitor?: 1600x900, leaving room for upgrades, using a friend's monitor
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Is 30FPS acceptable? 60? 120? How important is PhysX / SuperSampling / CUDA to you?: FFXIV ARR at Med/High settings with minimum 30FPS (though hopefully better)/ PhysX-etc is not a priority
Looking to reuse any parts?: List make and model (e.g. Corsair 520HX, 640GB SATA HDD, Antec 900): Flatron E2041 monitor
When will you build?: Do you have a deadline?: Will build within 2 weeks
Will you be overclocking?: Yes, No, Maybe (This means yes!): No
SPECS:
1) $174.88 intel core i5-3350p 3.1GHz quad core processor
2) $9.99 Arctic cooling UCACO-AP11301-BUA01 Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler
3) $72.98 MSI B75MA-P45 Micro ATX LGA 1155 Motherboard
4) $39.99 (-10) A-Data XPG Gaming Series 4GB (1x4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
5) $55.98 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
6) $160.98 Asus Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card
7) $39.99 NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
8) $49.99 (-20) Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
9) $88.98 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)
Total $713.76 (694.78+18.98 Shipping)
(-50 Rebate) = [$663.76] according to PCpartpicker
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This is a PC I'm putting together for someone as a late Christmas present so she can play FFXIV ARR with me and a couple other friends. Before I hit the buy buttons on these parts, does anyone know if this build will run ARR on med/high settings at 30FPS or above? Or whether this configuration would have any issues. PCpartpicker is telling me they're all compatible. Thanks in advance for advice.
Budget: Price Range + Country: $700, US
Main Use: Rate 1-5. 5 being Highest: Light Gaming, Gaming, Emulation (PS2/Wii), Video Editing, Streaming games in HD, 3D/Model work (and what program), General Usage (Word, Web, 1080p playback): Gaming (In particular FFXIV ARR)
Monitor Resolution: What resolution will you be playing your games at? Are you going to upgrade later? Are you buying a new monitor?: 1600x900, leaving room for upgrades, using a friend's monitor
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Is 30FPS acceptable? 60? 120? How important is PhysX / SuperSampling / CUDA to you?: FFXIV ARR at Med/High settings with minimum 30FPS (though hopefully better)/ PhysX-etc is not a priority
Looking to reuse any parts?: List make and model (e.g. Corsair 520HX, 640GB SATA HDD, Antec 900): Flatron E2041 monitor
When will you build?: Do you have a deadline?: Will build within 2 weeks
Will you be overclocking?: Yes, No, Maybe (This means yes!): No
SPECS:
1) $174.88 intel core i5-3350p 3.1GHz quad core processor
2) $9.99 Arctic cooling UCACO-AP11301-BUA01 Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler
3) $72.98 MSI B75MA-P45 Micro ATX LGA 1155 Motherboard
4) $39.99 (-10) A-Data XPG Gaming Series 4GB (1x4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
5) $55.98 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
6) $160.98 Asus Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card
7) $39.99 NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
8) $49.99 (-20) Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
9) $88.98 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)
Total $713.76 (694.78+18.98 Shipping)
(-50 Rebate) = [$663.76] according to PCpartpicker
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This is a PC I'm putting together for someone as a late Christmas present so she can play FFXIV ARR with me and a couple other friends. Before I hit the buy buttons on these parts, does anyone know if this build will run ARR on med/high settings at 30FPS or above? Or whether this configuration would have any issues. PCpartpicker is telling me they're all compatible. Thanks in advance for advice.
Xisiqomelir
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Someone feed me Maxwell rumours. I need to pass the time while I wait till March.
Might want to look at any other 500/550W power supplies - the EVGA 500 is almost always unavailable (I think only Amazon have a few) and the BP550 doesn't even appear at most places.
If you want to go Haswell on the Budget/Standard builds, the Asus B85M-G board has been impressive in what we've been using, and we usually would stick to Gigabyte
Cases might need some work - the Asgard Pro and Bitfenix Outlaw are pretty much done in the UK for example.
That's about it that I can think of
Hey guys, I needed to replace some parts in my (really outdated)computer to something decent, and was wondering if this is a good pick for the money, or are DIY combos a bad choice?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1352011
These are exactly the parts I need to replace, and was looking to spend about $500 on them all together.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1352011
These are exactly the parts I need to replace, and was looking to spend about $500 on them all together.
Only $30 saved, overpriced RAM, PSU.
Unless you need mATX mobo I'd go with the item in the 'Great' build.
I don't think I can suggest such and ugly mobo, barf. I'll check it out.Might want to look at any other 500/550W power supplies - the EVGA 500 is almost always unavailable (I think only Amazon have a few) and the BP550 doesn't even appear at most places.
If you want to go Haswell on the Budget/Standard builds, the Asus B85M-G board has been impressive in what we've been using, and we usually would stick to Gigabyte
Cases might need some work - the Asgard Pro and Bitfenix Outlaw are pretty much done in the UK for example.
That's about it that I can think of
The eVGA 500W has been in stock on Newegg and Amazon US every time I've checked at least. I though about expanding the selection to VP450/eVGA 500/BP550. What else would you suggest in that price range, if anything?
Asgard is old yeah, not too worried about the Outlaw since there are so many other cases to pick from. I'll recheck these as well.
Thanks for the info.
Another question: if i pick up the parts (CPU, RAM, mobo) from the great build + my radeon HD 7790, would my 450W PSU(antec VP 450) be able to handle it or should I upgrade that as well?
Sorry, I'm based in the UK so I'm looking at it from that point of view where those two power supplies are difficult to find in stock anywhere
bodyboarder
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Out of curiosity which i3?
I have the saber tooth mobo which is pretty close to the same as yours. 4.2ghz rock stable just using the built in oc button. Have an evo as well and temps are in the 60s in real world apps and in the 70s with prine95
Are any AMD CPUs really better at compiling than a decent Intel? I guess it depends on how much parallelism you have available, but normally you are only recompiling a small number of translation units during the standard development feedback loop.
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