If you belive a alien ware PC will be cheap, I have some beachside property in Arizona I want to sell you.
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Valve CES Conference January 6. 8pm EST/5pm PST [Ended in 7 minutes]
- Thread starter SolidsnackooFoxhound
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Valve wants you to have options:
There's nothing stopping you from buying a steam contoller and using the developer supplied or community voted config for it. If you don't like it, there's nothing stopping you from buying something better or that fits you. Options. That's what PC is about.
I get that, but how is this a option? This was already a option before, how is it different now? Point out one thing that gives me the option over Pre built PC that came before, and a free Linux OS I can install on anything is not it.
OldAsUrSock
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You seem butthurt over no half-life 3.
It's vaporware.
Mercury Land-Snake
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You assume everyone wants to build a PC. What if someone wants the flexibility of PC gaming with some of the ease of use of a console (small box, standard machine, low price, standard controller and streamlined OS and UX)?
flyinpiranha
Member
What exactly is happening with Windows?
EDIT: Didn't expect a single thing relevant to my interests from Valve, and they delivered!
Valve is the best storefront on the PC, I applaud them for that.
copelandmaster
Member
The Origin PC Chronos seems to be the only one you can stick a sound card in. Yet it's still too big, and probably one of the more expensive models. Disappointing.
How is that any different then what I can buy now from the same people making these?
You can buy a small PC w/ controller for $499? Where?
Yes, I do. Do you?
You go ahead and game on the POS, I doubt they will enjoy PC gaming when they have to play games on low after 6 months.
Heh, didn't take much to pull that troll out of you.
Troll? I'm telling you the truth. A AMD 270 is already low mid tier so you think someone who's coming from consoles is going to enjoy having to put things on low, or have horrible FPS? Then add in the fact Steam of has 250 games, and it most likely has no windows and yeah, looks like a while lot of fun.
If you would have read two sentences further in Wikipedia you'd have come across the definition I'm using:
The term also generally applies to a product that is announced months or years before its release, and for which public development details are lacking.
When you have to resort to gross over-exaggerations to prove your point you've already lost.
If you say so, please continue to ignore all my points and not answer them.
Mercury Land-Snake
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I don't see any decent PC's in a box as small as the Alienware Steam Machine. Also no Windows license should equal a smaller price tag (in theory), plus you get a Steam Controller in the box and SteamOS is pre loaded and ready to go. Those are all big plusses for someone like me.
Mercury Land-Snake
Member
Something like the Alienware comes with an Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU that can be upgraded. I'd be surprised if you can't get higher spec'd machines for a few hundred more as well. It would be nice to get into PC gaming at $500 and upgrade in the future if I want, it's much easier for me to do this rather than spend $1000+ on building my own PC.
This part confuses me the most. What the hell are they think is going to happen if only some steam machines have the controller included?
The OS and controller should be tying these different configurations together and not be optional.
Mercury Land-Snake
Member
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/6/52...ow-alienware-is-realizing-valve-console-dream
Article on the Alienware Steam Machine.
Article on the Alienware Steam Machine.
Dreams-Visions
Member
"This is what no effort looks like."
-The Verge on Steam Machines at CES
Sums it up.
-The Verge on Steam Machines at CES
Sums it up.
IAmRandom31
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You know absolutely nothing lol
In a world with google, with benchmarks on every GPU it astounds me how people like you can blatantly talk out your ass like this.
Play things on low with horrible framerates?
Lets start with something stupid, like Tomb Raider @ 1440p? Ultra settings?
According to you, this would be like ... 2fps for the R9 270X? Try 40fps+ even with this type of stuff going on. 60+ at 1080p.
Arkham City - 1080p Ultra? That is like 5fps in your world? Nope, 70+ fps with the R9 270X
I could keep going down the list here. Battlefield 3/4, Crysis 3, whatever. Only at Crysis 3 would you have to stick around the 30fps - 40fps area for Ultra 1080p.
I'm saying 6 to 12 months down the road... It will be fine now with all the ps360 ports we have been pumping out for PC. Bf4 would already bring this card to its knees.You know absolutely nothing lol
In a world with google, with benchmarks on every GPU it astounds me how people like you can blatantly talk out your ass like this.
Play things on low with horrible framerates?
Lets start with something stupid, like Tomb Raider @ 1440p? Ultra settings?
According to you, this would be like ... 2fps for the R9 270X? Try 40fps+ even with this type of stuff going on. 60+ at 1080p.
Arkham City - 1080p Ultra? That is like 5fps in your world? Nope, 70+ fps with the R9 270X
I could keep going down the list here. Battlefield 3/4, Crysis 3, whatever. Only at Crysis 3 would you have to stick around the 30fps - 40fps area for Ultra 1080p.
Yeah and you already need to downgrade from ultra.
They have to, which is something SteamOS could change.
"A AMD 270 is already low mid tier so you think someone who's coming from consoles is going to enjoy having to put things on low, or have horrible FPS?"
Already moving the goal posts?
Look I have no interest in getting a $499 Steam Machine or any SM for that matter as I know how to build gaming PCs. But I'm not going to call it a POS either. These could be viable competitors in the lower cost PC space and against consoles. I also don't believe the Steam Machine viability question will even be answered this year.
But so far, seems like a decent start.
If a mid tier card can't run high at this point, that's bad. My damn 6870 runs it on medium. I'm trying to say, this is trying to wow new PC gamers, and if they can't max out a game from the get go, it's going to sour the whole thing.
Isn't a streaming machine basically any PC? I was under the impression that the streaming feature will be integrated into the Steam client itself, so you could just use a laptop with an HDMI out if you wanted to.
Sure, but he's asking for a very inexpensive(think $100) device used just to stream. Valve mentioned it as a form factor I believe but there's none in sight.
csquared587
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I dont know if people were expecting to be able to max the majority of pc games at 1080p 60 frames on a $499 budget. That is so unreasonable. Medium, High, maybe some ultra is ok for $499.
IAmRandom31
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Yeah because your view of reality is 100% on target. Yup valve sure is the problem here
OldAsUrSock
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It would not need an expensive CPU to get more power than the consoles' CPU while the GPU could be outclassed by anything over 7870.
Are you fucking joking?
I'm still running a fucking ATi Radeon HD 5670 and haven't had to tone down shit but some shadows. That's it. I still run games at 720p (my TV's resolution) with high textures, med-low shadows, and 4x AA at 60FPS very consistently. I think this Alienware Steam Machine will be fine.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, and should stop with the stupid posts. Right now.
bluecapsule
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The Radeon 270 is a fine mid level card. Believe it or not, the majority of PC gamers aren't rocking Titans. It's not going to be obsolete in 6 months. Developers aren't going to release a game in 6 months that won't run well on 99% of computers out there.. So what if it doesn't run Battlefield 4 at Ultra? It still runs on high at 1080p/60fps, which is much better than what you're getting on PS4 (900p @ 30fps). Yup, BF4 really brought it to its knees.
No ones yet to give a good reason for its existence other then Options. If Microsoft came out with a MS box, that can play ALL PC games do you think people would be this excited?
My 6870 struggles on med at 1600x900 so that's amazing. Also no need to be a dick. That shits uncalled for.
IAmRandom31
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This is something brand new dude. Of course it will cause excitement, curiosity, disappointment, confusion and in your case brainless denial for whatever reason.
It exists because Valve wanted to make it exists, consumers will vote on if they like the idea with their wallets. If you don't like them then don't fucking but one, simple. Just don't try to throw your bullshit " run on low with bad frame rates " and hope noone notices that you are completely and utterly wrong. To the point of it being a flat lie, or just not knowing the truth.
R9 270x will have you ultra 1080p 60fps gaming in 90% of games out there for a long while and then we have Mantle which zzz DICE says adds 40% more performance. So that high 1080p became Ultra 1080p in that game, others to follow and future titles.
I'm sure Tge Witcher 3 for example will run 1080p ultra @ 50-60fps
Edit I fucking hate typing up stuff on a phone
You're right. My bad. I was wrong for being an asshole
Resolution plays a large part. You're playing at 1600x900. You wouldn't think it is, but that's much more taxing on a GPU than 1280x720, even if it's not a huge jump in pixel count. Still, these Alienware boxes will probably come with like a 750M at minimum, which perform extraordinarily well at 1080p (and would probably run laps around my measly little 5670). These will do just fine on most household televisions, and I can see them taking off at the right price. My friend who just bought a used PC off of someone to get into PC gaming is already thinking of giving it back and just saving some money for one. There is a market for this, and it will do well if advertised properly.
bluecapsule
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Your 6870 struggles with modern games because it probably only has 1GB of VRAM, which bottlenecks it in newer games that require ~1.5GB of ram. I'm still using a Geforce 660 which is slower than a 270, and it still runs almost everything at 1080p/60fps at high or ultra.
Also that $500 ibuy has a r7 250.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/ibuypower-sbx/
That's even worse.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/ibuypower-sbx/
That's even worse.
And this is why you have to call companies out if they fail to deliver. Valve claim alienware have hit the sweet spot and that they think this is the one most people will buy. I'm holding them to it. These are all bold claims, and I don't think you can out right lie in the only 3 articles you allow interviews with. That's why it is more likely that they are telling he truth. And with alienware its a bit hard to believe they will ever price competitively
bluecapsule
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LOL that is pretty bad. Hopefully Cyberpower wasn't lying about the R9 270 in their $500 machine also.
Mercury Land-Snake
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I honestly don't see Steam Machines appealing to hardcore PC gamers. It's going to do well with PC-curious people (like me) or gamers that like PC gaming but would rather not deal with building their own PCs from scratch. There's an untapped market there (real question is how big), just because these machines don't fit you doesn't mean there aren't people interested in a product like this.