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GOP chairman: Afghan 'war of Obama's choosing'

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Dead Man

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WASHINGTON – Republican chairman Michael Steele drew criticism from within his own party Friday, including calls to resign, after saying the 9-year-old commitment of U.S. troops to Afghanistan was a mistaken "war of Obama's choosing."

As criticism swelled, Steele issued a statement stressing his support for U.S. troops, but he did not acknowledge his factual error about a war launched by former President George W. Bush in response to the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. A senior official in Bush's administration said it would be impossible for the Republican National Committee to speak with credibility on foreign policy if Steele remained chairman.

For Democrats, looking at a difficult environment ahead of November's midterm elections, the gaffe was an opportunity to test their strategy of attacking the GOP with its members' own words.

Conservative Bill Kristol, writing for The Weekly Standard, was among the first to say Steele should resign.

"There are, of course, those who think we should pull out of Afghanistan, and they're certainly entitled to make their case," wrote Kristol, a consistent supporter of the Afghanistan war. "But one of them shouldn't be the chairman of the Republican Party."


In remarks captured Thursday on camera and posted online, Steele criticized President Barack Obama and his handling of the Afghan war and suggested the war cannot be won.

"If he's such a student of history, has he not understood that, you know, that's the one thing you don't do is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? All right? Because everyone who's tried, over a thousand years of history, has failed," Steele said. "And there are reasons for that. There are other ways to engage in Afghanistan."

Republican officials confirmed Steele made the comments at a Connecticut fundraiser, which was closed to the news media. The remarks, at odds with members of the Republican Party, were caught on camera and posted on the Internet.

"This was a war of Obama's choosing," Steele said. "This is not something the United States has actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in."

The United States and allies overthrew Afghanistan's Taliban government after the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington. The war lagged as the United States shifted its focus to Iraq, but Obama shifted the focus to Afghanistan and planned to send 30,000 more troops to the country.

Dan Senor, who was an adviser to Bush and the provisional governments in Iraq, said that Steele was wrong to combine politics with foreign policy and that he would no longer attend a scheduled foreign policy event with Republican donors in coming weeks.

"I think as far as Republican and conservative foreign policy experts and advisers, I don't see how they can be associated with the RNC or with Steele in any meaningful way after he says something like this," said Senor, who weighed a U.S. Senate run from New York state.

"There's no way I can."


Looking to mitigate the political fallout, Steele issued a statement saying, "There is no question that America must win the war on terror. ... And, for the sake of the security of the free world, our country must give our troops the support necessary to win this war."

He said, "The stakes are too high for us to accept anything but success in Afghanistan."

Steele's comments came as Obama's new chief in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, arrived in the country Friday to take over the war. Obama last week dismissed his previous commander, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, because of disparaging remarks he and his aides made about administration officials in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine.

Steele called the dismissal "very comical" but said it shows the frustration members of the military have with Obama.

Erick Erickson, the editor of the popular conservative website RedState.com, also called for Steele's ouster.

"He has lost all moral authority to lead the GOP," Erickson said.


Democrats, who earlier in the week pounced when House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio compared Democrats' efforts at Wall Street overhaul to using a nuclear weapon to deal with an anthill, were clearly in election-year mode. Every time a conservative figure questioned Steele, Democratic operatives highlighted the division to reporters.

Democratic National Committee spokesman Brad Woodhouse said it was "simply unconscionable that Michael Steele would undermine the morale of our troops when what they need is our support and encouragement. Michael Steele would do well to remember that we are not in Afghanistan by our own choosing, that we were attacked and that his words have consequences."

Steele has been prone to gaffes that have enraged congressional Republicans. In the last year, he predicted the GOP won't win House control this fall. He also drew ire when he criticized fellow Republicans in a book that party leaders didn't know he was writing until it was published. His GOP critics were irked further when he told them to "get a life" and "shut up."

Earlier this year, his oversight of the RNC was called into question because of lavish spending, including money to entertain donors at a lesbian-themed bondage club in Los Angeles. That incident led to the departure of a key Steele adviser, the party's finance chief and the top committee staffer.

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In its February financial report filed with the Federal Election Commission, the RNC itemized its disbursements for the month, including:

$53.99 to Staples in Bismarck, N.D., for office supplies.

$123.17 to the Courtyard hotel in Lansing, Mich., for lodging.

$282.01 to Hertz in Dallas for car rental.

$1,946.25 to Voyeur in West Hollywood for, uh, meals.

Meals, huh? And quite a menu they have at Voyeur, according to write-ups in the Los Angeles Times about the new club:

"Impromptu bondage and S&M 'scenes' being played out on an elevated platform by scantily clad performers throughout the night."

Chairs "detailed with the metal hardware and bondage straps of leather fetishists. . . . One with a harness that designer Ted Nemeth calls the Restraint chair."

"One female performer with a horse's bit in her mouth was being strapped to the wall by another."


"The dark, leather-heavy interior is reminiscent of the masked orgy scene" from the movie "Eyes Wide Shut."

"There is also a heavy net suspended above the club's lounge area where performers writhe above the heads of club-goers. Even more provocative scenes are played out in an enclosed glass booth area adjacent to the club's dance floor area."

How the hell does this guy still have a job? I understand it is the cool thing for Republicans to be against anything that is not going perfectly, even if they started it, but what the hell?

Edit: Already posted in Poligaf, I see. Lock if it's not threadworthy, I guess.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Guy's a goddamned idiot. Republicans aren't beating the democrats, the democrats are beating the democrats. Republicans couldn't organize their way out of a wet paper bag these days.
 

Rubenov

Member
Guy was chosen as a token GOP black for the party to look "cool" after Obama's victory... the trick backfired.
 
After Rudy Giuliani said there were no terrorist attacks on US soil during the Bush years, we knew there was no limit to republican stupidity when it comes to history.
 

kevm3

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The war was obviously started by Bush, but it's Obama's choice to continue it and not to put a time frame on it... and this is obvious as well:

"If he's such a student of history, has he not understood that, you know, that's the one thing you don't do is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? All right? Because everyone who's tried, over a thousand years of history, has failed," Steele said.

Didn't Russia have a war over there not too long ago and we saw the results? What nation has won a land war in Afghanistan? And yet here we are waging a war that is essentially a perpetual one.

I voted for Obama, but I'm not going to throw away my critical capacity just because I voted for him. What is the exact objective we need to accomplish in Afghanistan? So we "MAY" start withdrawing sometime next year?
 

Dresden

Member
Alexander pulled it off, actually. Equipped his troops for light warfare by taking their armor away, lopping off a good length off their sarissas, and split them into independent squads that would venture into the countryside and systemically root out the tribesmen. Well, that actually didn't work and he got bogged down there for a couple of years until he finally just paid off one of the warlords with a shitload of gold and married one of his daughters to gain safe passage to India.

And... dunno. Most people just didn't bother trying to conquer them. The British tried and they got fucked. So did the Soviets in more recent history. Afghanistan is a shithole.
 

kevm3

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Dresden said:
Alexander pulled it off, actually. Equipped his troops for light warfare by taking their armor away, lopping off a good length off their sarissas, and split them into independent squads that would venture into the countryside and systemically root out the tribesmen. Well, that actually didn't work and he got bogged down there for a couple of years until he finally just paid off one of the warlords with a shitload of gold and married one of his daughters to gain safe passage to India.

And... dunno. Most people just didn't bother trying to conquer them. The British tried and they got fucked. So did the Soviets in more recent history. Afghanistan is a shithole.

It's pretty much a pitstop before empires go into decline... make sure you pass through Afghanistan and try to fight a long-lasting war there. It essentially boils down to killing enough brown folks until you can no longer finance it or you just get sick and tired.

Mountainous terrain + tribal makeup + people that will resist you until the death + nonstop guerrilla warfare = disaster

You simply cannot occupy a nation like Afghanistan with success. The longer we're over there, the more resources we waste, and the sooner we wished we had gotten out. Do we even know if Bin Laden is still over there? Or alive for that matter?
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
kevm3 said:
The war was obviously started by Bush, but it's Obama's choice to continue it and not to put a time frame on it... and this is obvious as well:

Whether or not you agree with the current strategy in the region..

1) this was not a war of Obama's choosing. It was in place before he started.

2) this was not a war really of anyone's choosing. It was the actual response to 9/11 unlike Iraq which was the fake reaction to 9/11.

3) Saying that the war is unwinnable while we have troops there dying is not a great thing to come out and say in public. Granted, this wasn't intentionally in public.. but those who set our policy shouldn't talk this negatively in public about our chances.

4) When you head the party that is supported by the "real" America full of Patriots.. it's probably not best to criticize the ONE thing they actually agree with Obama on.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
kevm3 said:
It's pretty much a pitstop before empires go into decline... make sure you pass through Afghanistan and try to fight a long-lasting war there. It essentially boils down to killing enough brown folks until you can no longer finance it or you just get sick and tired.

Mountainous terrain + tribal makeup + people that will resist you until the death + nonstop guerrilla warfare = disaster

You simply cannot occupy a nation like Afghanistan with success. The longer we're over there, the more resources we waste, and the sooner we wished we had gotten out. Do we even know if Bin Laden is still over there? Or alive for that matter?

Bin Laden is almost certainly in Pakistan by now, or at least in a region of Afghanistan we are no longer fighting for.

We have already won the majority of the country. This is a war we already won, but are fighting because we took our eye of the ball and didn't commit enough troops to securing the peace.

Moreover, the fact is the current government is corrupt and probably stole the last election so the support from the populace is next to nil.

It's kind of like the Iraq situation a few years ago, except we've been buying off the drug lords from day 1 and it's effects have been minimal in the South of the country where they have minimal impact.
 

kevm3

Member
StoOgE said:
kevm3 said:
The war was obviously started by Bush, but it's Obama's choice to continue it and not to put a time frame on it... and this is obvious as well:

Whether or not you agree with the current strategy in the region..

1) this was not a war of Obama's choosing. It was in place before he started.

2) this was not a war really of anyone's choosing. It was the actual response to 9/11 unlike Iraq which was the fake reaction to 9/11.

3) Saying that the war is unwinnable while we have troops there dying is not a great thing to come out and say in public. Granted, this wasn't intentionally in public.. but those who set our policy shouldn't talk this negatively in public about our chances.

4) When you head the party that is supported by the "real" America full of Patriots.. it's probably not best to criticize the ONE thing they actually agree with Obama on.

I have to admire Steele on this issue for going against his party line. What we need are more HUMAN reactions as opposed to party robots. I don't agree with him insinuating that this is a war that Obama started, but it is a war that Obama chooses to continue without painting any clear objectives to completion or any timeframe that you know he'll abide by.

It's becoming clearer and clearer to Americans that this is an 'unwinnable war' and it'll be better to take the PR hit now as opposed to having more dead Americans, more dead Afghani and more money down the drain.
 

Dresden

Member
That's where you're wrong. If you think Steele was being brave, :lol . The only reason he said that is because he equates attacking Obama to better approval ratings within the party, so he was just grasping for straws and found a convenient, if rather nonsensical, issue to complain about.
 

Dram

Member
He made these comments at a fundraiser that was closed to the news media; he didn't plan on this getting out.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Wow, that is like, Tea Party "Obama is trying to convert America to Islam" levels of stupid. Seriously?


Earlier this year, his oversight of the RNC was called into question because of lavish spending, including money to entertain donors at a lesbian-themed bondage club in Los Angeles. That incident led to the departure of a key Steele adviser, the party's finance chief and the top committee staffer.
Wait........wat? :lol :lol :lol
 

Zinga

Banned
Even though what Steele said is right about Afghanistan, not about Obama though even though he did decide to commit to that war as a political tool for withdrawing from Iraq, making those statements which go against the position of the party are just plain stupid for a politician to make.
 

JGS

Banned
Well, aside from the historical innaccuracy, is he wrong? He just needs to switch parties!

Seriously, I thought I understood what he was saying. The war is a failure based on Obama's [alleged] policy. He was suggesting (to me) we simply air bomb or nuke the place!

Steele said:
"If he's such a student of history, has he not understood that, you know, that's the one thing you don't do is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? All right? Because everyone who's tried, over a thousand years of history, has failed," Steele said. "And there are reasons for that. There are other ways to engage in Afghanistan."

Unfortunately he can't hold a press conference and admit that either!
 

JGS

Banned
Zinga said:
Even though what Steele said is right about Afghanistan, not about Obama though even though he did decide to commit to that war as a political tool for withdrawing from Iraq, making those statements which go against the position of the party are just plain stupid for a politician to make.
If you have to fight one of them, the Afghan one makes the most sense...If you have to fight one of them.
 

Barrett2

Member
Sometimes i worry that Dem incompetence will cause Obama to lose in 2012. Then i remember Republican incompetence.
 

RurouniZel

Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Steele obviously wasn't around for all 8 Bush years. And apparently Obama's been President for 9? :lol

Steele is epic levels of stupid. Most of Washington GOP is epic levels of stupid.
 

eznark

Banned
Whatever happened to Code Pink and the rest of the bring em home crowd? Is Steele the new Cindy Sheehan?

I guess it's nice that McChrystal and Steele have reminded the people we still have troops off wasting time and money.
 

way more

Member
Champion of the neo-cons William Kristol has called for Steele's resignation. Of course, the new Gulf war was his baby and the man is unable to predict the sunrise but it makes me smile. I can't wait till Monday to see who else joins. Palin no doubt.
 
lawblob said:
Sometimes i worry that Dem incompetence will cause Obama to lose in 2012. Then i remember Republican incompetence.

Who cares when Democrat incompetence couldn't accomplish any remotely progressive goal.

Err, I mean GO TEAM! *pom pom* ^____^
 

Barrett2

Member
RiskyChris said:
Who cares when Democrat incompetence couldn't accomplish any remotely progressive goal.

Err, I mean GO TEAM! *pom pom* ^____^

But we're so close to our socialist utopia. Barry just needs four more years to work his magic!
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
mac said:
Champion of the neo-cons William Kristol has called for Steele's resignation. Of course, the new Gulf war was his baby and the man is unable to predict the sunrise but it makes me smile. I can't wait till Monday to see who else joins. Palin no doubt.
if Kristol controlled the country we'd be at war with every nation on the planet.
 

Yaweee

Member
I'm kind of shocked that people are reading Steele's off-hand remarks to imply that he thinks Obama started the war. Like others have said, it is clearly a reference to Obama's play of playing up Afghanistan as justification to slowly pull out of Iraq, and I agree that the goal in Afghanistan is pretty much fucked. Good on him for being a Republican that is honest about an American war's chances of success.

It is a bit disappointing to see the DNC play the same "support our troops!" bullshit that Republicans pulled for years.

Who cares when Democrat incompetence couldn't accomplish any remotely progressive goal.

Err, I mean GO TEAM! *pom pom* ^____^

You are underestimating Obama's effectiveness. He's done quite a bit in less than 18 months.
 
kevm3 said:
The war was obviously started by Bush, but it's Obama's choice to continue it and not to put a time frame on it.
What?

July 2011, dude? You know, the deadline everyone has been complaining so much about?

Anyone?

did I just take the bait? are you for real?
 

JoeBoy101

Member
Been saying for months now, guy has to go. I liked his potential when he was running for the position, but has been nothing but an embarrassment since.

As for his comment, I don't think there's any people here who reasonably think it has a foundation in reality.

kev3m said:
One of the few things I can agree with Steele on.

This was just a well-done troll. :D
 
Yaweee said:
You are underestimating Obama's effectiveness. He's done quite a bit in less than 18 months.

Famous progressive effectual leader Bams passes handouts to the health dontcare industry in historical congressional showdown.
 
I have a feeling he'll be shitcanned after November if things don't go as planned (ie GOP takes house and/or senate). He has been a huge embarrassment. Especially with his pathetic "word up son, I'm so hip" attitude; what a contrast he has with Obama.
 

eznark

Banned
PhoenixDark said:
I have a feeling he'll be shitcanned after November if things don't go as planned (ie GOP takes house and/or senate). He has been a huge embarrassment. Especially with his pathetic "word up son, I'm so hip" attitude; what a contrast he has with Obama.

Like I said in poligaf, he has to be ousted before November. After that he'll be untouchable for at least a year.
 
Canning him now could cause a distraction though. He's well liked by the media and could use that soap box to say some stupid things for the next few months. Canning him after the elections would be the quietest thing to do. The media would be focusing on the success or failure of the GOP's November anyway.
 

Yaweee

Member
Michael Steele is incompetent when it comes to political strategy, which is one of the main purposes of being the party chair. He needs to be ousted ASAP before he hurts Republican chances for November even more.
 
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