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Saltburn - Barry Keoghan, Rosamund Pike and Richard E. Grant. In cinemas November 17th

DKehoe

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Academy Award winning filmmaker Emerald Fennell (Promising Young Woman) brings us a wicked tale of privilege and desire. Struggling to find his place at Oxford University, student Oliver Quick (Barry Keoghan) finds himself drawn into the world of the charming and aristocratic Felix Catton (Jacob Elordi), who invites him to Saltburn, his eccentric family’s sprawling estate, for a summer never to be forgotten.

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I've been really looking forward to this one since I saw the trailer a few months ago. It's coming out this Friday but, unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to watch it over the weekend. But I will try to next week. Is anyone else going to check it out? I've had that remix of Bloc Party's The Pioneers that the trailer uses stuck in my head for the past few days.
 
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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
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Director of Promising Young Woman. Didn't watch that, but was generally well received.

Psychopath dude from Euphoria looks appropriately cast here! Looks pretty good, lots of artsy visual compositions and the dark underbelly of privileged life. Will probably watch next week.
 

Sybrix

Member
I loved it, the scenes weren't as shocking as most made out.

Great story, lots of cool twists.

At the end, did he wait 15 years to bump into Elspeth again?
 

DKehoe

Member
You enjoyed it? Are you an animal?
What is the charge? Enjoying a bath? A warm, cosy bath?

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But yeh, I did enjoy it. It wouldn't be one of my absolute favourite films of 2023 but I liked it. Obviously, those gross-out scenes (the bath, the grave) that I'm assuming you are referring to are uncomfortable but, for me, that was kind of the point. That Keoghan's character is so desperate to be part of that world that he does these pathetic acts to feel some kind of connection.

I really liked the realisation
when he's being taken to see his family and you notice that the area they're driving through is pretty middle class and it clicked for me just how much he's been making shit up.

I loved it, the scenes weren't as shocking as most made out.

Great story, lots of cool twists.

At the end, did he wait 15 years to bump into Elspeth again?
I took it to be that
he'd kept an interest in the family, read about James' death and then made a plan to bump into Elspeth knowing this was his chance to take it all
 
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MilkyJoe

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What is the charge? Enjoying a bath? A warm, cosy bath?

Democracy_Manifest_video.jpg


But yeh, I did enjoy it. It wouldn't be one of my absolute favourite films of 2023 but I liked it. Obviously, those gross-out scenes (the bath, the grave) that I'm assuming you are referring to are uncomfortable but, for me, that was kind of the point. That Keoghan's character is so desperate to be part of that world that he does these pathetic acts to feel some kind of connection.

I really liked the realisation
when he's being taken to see his family and you notice that the area they're driving through is pretty middle class and it clicked for me just how much he's been making shit up.


I took it to be that
he'd kept an interest in the family, read about James' death and then made a plan to bump into Elspeth knowing this was his chance to take it all

Ha yeah, it was a good film I guess, they did well to hide how depraved it was from the trailer. For me it's a must see, but only once .
 

Giallo Corsa

Gold Member
Sorry, but :

Nicolas Winding Refn + Harmony Korine make beautiful, weird movies with stunning cinematography = "ZOMG PrEtEntiOus BulLshitt"

Movie like Saltburn - which for all intents and purposes apes the style of movies like Refn's =
ZOMG IT WAS SOoooo BEAUTIFUL AND WEEEIRD !

I just don't get it lads...

This is isn't a dig towards Gaffers but Reddit people mostly (and some critics) , reading most of the comments in there feels like most of the users have had some kind of life changing experience by watching this tripe of a film, it's like, "baby's 1st beautifully shot weird movie" or sum' shit.

The film is perfectly watchable but, let's be real for a sec, it is neither original nor that masterfully shot and it's edgy and provocative just for the sake of being so...
-Bathtub cum-water slurping scene ? OMG SOOO WEIRD !1!
- Period pussy eating ? OMG SOOO BEAUTIFUL AND WEIRD!
- Grave humping/fucking ? OMG VISIONARYYY SCENE !
- Dance scene complete with Keohgan's dick dangling ? OMG, SOOO SEXY AND PROVOCATIVE !

I mean, sorry for the post's tone but it's movies like these with no real substance and being edgy just for the sake of being so that are "pretentious".

It was a 6 out 10 just for me solely for the cinematography and Keohgan's acting but other than that...one of the most pretentious shit I've seen the past few years - and I've seen Refn's Copenhagen cowboy so...
 
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DKehoe

Member
Sorry, but :

Nicolas Winding Refn + Harmony Korine make beautiful, weird movies with stunning cinematography = "ZOMG PrEtEntiOus BulLshitt"

Movie like Saltburn - which for all intents and purposes apes the style of movies like Refn's =
ZOMG IT WAS SOoooo BEAUTIFUL AND WEEEIRD !

I just don't get it lads...

This is isn't a dig towards Gaffers but Reddit people mostly (and some critics) , reading most of the comments in there feels like most of the users have had some kind of life changing experience by watching this tripe of a film, it's like, "baby's 1st beautifully shot weird movie" or sum' shit.

The film is perfectly watchable but, let's be real for a sec, it is neither original nor that masterfully shot and it's edgy and provocative just for the sake of being so...
-Bathtub cum-water slurping scene ? OMG SOOO WEIRD !1!
- Period pussy eating ? OMG SOOO BEAUTIFUL AND WEIRD!
- Grave humping/fucking ? OMG VISIONARYYY SCENE !
- Dance scene complete with Keohgan's dick dangling ? OMG, SOOO SEXY AND PROVOCATIVE !

I mean, sorry the post's tone but it's movies like these with no real substance and being edgy just for the sake of being so that are "pretentious".

It was a 6 out 10 just for me solely for the cinematography and Keohgan's acting but other than that...one of the most pretentious shit I've seen the past few years - and I've seen Refn's Copenhagen cowboy so...
One of the most common themes I've seen when it comes to people commenting on the film is that it's not as weird as some are saying. But I've seen that more than I've seen people actually saying how weird it is. I think there's some nice cinematography but I don't think it's trying to do anything especially weird and out there. The story itself is told in a pretty direct manner.

I think that the film has had a (relative) boom in popularity for a couple reasons. First, those scenes you mentioned went kinda viral. The bathtub and grave ones did because they're quite visceral and I think the Murder On The Dancefloor dance scene became a bit of a TikTok trend with people dancing through their own homes? I don't use TikTok but I saw a few things about that. The other factor is this happened at a time when the film moved to streaming (at least it did in the UK, appearing on Amazon Prime) around about Christmas making it accessible during a period when people had a bunch of free time. So you combine those two factors and word-of-mouth spread. No idea if that's the reason but that's my own theory anyway.

I don't think it's the deepest film but I do think it's about something, namely that very British obsession with class. Like Elspeth thinking that Common People was about her is funny. And it's also about the desire that comes from being on the outside looking in. I don't think it can be said that it's got no substance at all.

I'm not saying you have to find it amazing. Like I said it wouldn't be one of my absolute favourite films of last year, just one I enjoyed. But we're at a point where a lot of the movies that get put out these days really aren't doing much beyond being the latest entry in franchise or a reboot of some property from decades past. And, even worse, the general audience's appetite for something a bit different seems to be at an all-time low. So while something like Saltburn might not be totally groundbreaking it is at least trying for something. So maybe it is "baby's 1st beautifully shot weird movie" but if it gets people to dip their toes just a little deeper in the pool then that's not a bad thing.
 

Giallo Corsa

Gold Member
One of the most common themes I've seen when it comes to people commenting on the film is that it's not as weird as some are saying. But I've seen that more than I've seen people actually saying how weird it is. I think there's some nice cinematography but I don't think it's trying to do anything especially weird and out there. The story itself is told in a pretty direct manner.

I think that the film has had a (relative) boom in popularity for a couple reasons. First, those scenes you mentioned went kinda viral. The bathtub and grave ones did because they're quite visceral and I think the Murder On The Dancefloor dance scene became a bit of a TikTok trend with people dancing through their own homes? I don't use TikTok but I saw a few things about that. The other factor is this happened at a time when the film moved to streaming (at least it did in the UK, appearing on Amazon Prime) around about Christmas making it accessible during a period when people had a bunch of free time. So you combine those two factors and word-of-mouth spread. No idea if that's the reason but that's my own theory anyway.

I don't think it's the deepest film but I do think it's about something, namely that very British obsession with class. Like Elspeth thinking that Common People was about her is funny. And it's also about the desire that comes from being on the outside looking in. I don't think it can be said that it's got no substance at all.

I'm not saying you have to find it amazing. Like I said it wouldn't be one of my absolute favourite films of last year, just one I enjoyed. But we're at a point where a lot of the movies that get put out these days really aren't doing much beyond being the latest entry in franchise or a reboot of some property from decades past. And, even worse, the general audience's appetite for something a bit different seems to be at an all-time low. So while something like Saltburn might not be totally groundbreaking it is at least trying for something. So maybe it is "baby's 1st beautifully shot weird movie" but if it gets people to dip their toes just a little deeper in the pool then that's not a bad thing.

Love the post man, kudos for actually trying to engage in a discussion in contrast to the sheer majority online 😉

Agree on many points friend, it's just that...what i mentioned is a personal peeve of mine - I hate when people shit on something (generally speaking) but then love something that falls into the same category as the thing they shat on just cause it's now "cool", it goes "viral" or gets hyped by the spineless media/influencers for whatever reason therefore rendering it the "cool thing of the month".

As a couple of examples , 20+ years ago I recall some peeps saying that anime was shit and yet, when Kill Bill Vol.1 came out they were the same people shouting " DID YOU SEE THE ANIME PART IN TARANTINO'S LATEST FILM ? AMAAAZINGGggggG ! ".
It's the same people that shit on anything slow or slow burning citing Nolan's Inception as the "deepest" film they've ever seen, people just discovering Korean/Japanese /Asian cinema saying it's "amazing" and yet, if you told them 20+ years ago to watch some T.Miike/Shinya Tsukamoto or Park Chan Wook's trilogy "Sympathy for X vengeance" they'd have labeled you as a "hipster", it's this shit that gets my titties in a twist, imagine now if you have to throw some Tarkovsky into the conversation 😁...

Anyway, back to Saltburn : it really wasn't anything special and its sole gimmick was how "provocative" and edgy it was and , again, the sole redeeming points were its cinematography (which still didn't hold a candle to Korine's or Refn's) and Keohgan's acting, that's it.

Talking about Keohgan, dude is brilliant and definitely one of the best actors of this new generation, he's been good in every film I've seen him in.

I'd rather whatever Refn film (in all their pretentious glory 😁) to Saltburn, then again, it's just.my personal taste so...

Take care friend, cheers
 

Hibs

Member
The ending twist was fucking stupid. It felt like it was something they came up with last minute and shot for an ending.
 

YCoCg

Member
namely that very British obsession with class.
This is a good point as I think outside of the UK it might fly over people's heads, such as how the family actively engaged in "poverty porn" and don't really care about the people, made evident when they got bored of the weird artist, who later kills herself and the family treat going to her funeral as a bother.
 

Alcibiades

Member
I really wanted to see this but it left theaters too quickly at this point I don't care anymore.

EDIT: It's still playing in LA and NYC, but nowhere in Texas including Dallas, Houston, or Austin.
 
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DKehoe

Member
Love the post man, kudos for actually trying to engage in a discussion in contrast to the sheer majority online 😉
No worries! I appreciate you taking the time to reply too. I made the thread to try and vary up the film discussion here on GAF so your input is more than welcome. Also I like that you have a different opinion on Saltburn. What's great about film discussion is hearing different people's opinions on something and the perspectives they bring. It can get me to think in a different way about something and can make me think a bit more actively about why I think the way I do about it. For me engaging with art goes beyond just the initial interaction with it. I like it when something sticks with me and I get to talk about it with others, and those discussions would be a lot less interesting if everyone had the same opinion as me.

Agree on many points friend, it's just that...what i mentioned is a personal peeve of mine - I hate when people shit on something (generally speaking) but then love something that falls into the same category as the thing they shat on just cause it's now "cool", it goes "viral" or gets hyped by the spineless media/influencers for whatever reason therefore rendering it the "cool thing of the month".
I think a common trap on the internet is thinking about people on it as a single amorphous group that gets labeled as "they." So person A can have an opinion about subject X and person B can have an opinion on subject Y but the two then get conflated into this singular "they" which holds both opinions, even though A might feel differently to B about Y. Also, I'd point out that it's not like Saltburn has been this total critical darling. If we use Rotten Tomatoes (which I know is pretty flawed as a metric, but it can give us a snapshot of critical reception) Copenhagen Cowboy got 68% and Saltburn got 72%. So the two got a pretty similar critical reception and even got a similar audience score, with Copenhagen Cowboy actually getting the higher score there. So I don't personally see this as a case of Copenhagen Cowboy being shat on while Saltburn gets held aloft as a work of avant-garde genius.
As a couple of examples , 20+ years ago I recall some peeps saying that anime was shit and yet, when Kill Bill Vol.1 came out they were the same people shouting " DID YOU SEE THE ANIME PART IN TARANTINO'S LATEST FILM ? AMAAAZINGGggggG ! ".
It's the same people that shit on anything slow or slow burning citing Nolan's Inception as the "deepest" film they've ever seen, people just discovering Korean/Japanese /Asian cinema saying it's "amazing" and yet, if you told them 20+ years ago to watch some T.Miike/Shinya Tsukamoto or Park Chan Wook's trilogy "Sympathy for X vengeance" they'd have labeled you as a "hipster", it's this shit that gets my titties in a twist, imagine now if you have to throw some Tarkovsky into the conversation 😁...
I get what you mean but something like Kill Bill having an anime section can lead to more people getting into anime right? Like they can have enjoyed that and decide to take a deeper dive into the medium. It's probably fair to say that anime is more widely accepted now in the west than it was 20 years ago, right? And I'm certainly not saying Tarantino including that section in Kill Bill is the primary reason for that but little entry points like those can be the starting point for something making inroads into being more mainstream. Someone like Tarantino is a great example of that because he's a lot of people's first "auteur" director where they will check out his films because he's the director but he's also someone who proudly wears his influences on his sleeve. So you could be someone who loved Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction so you read every interview you can with him. In those interviews he's talking about these lesser-known films that he loves and that then leads you to watching those and expanding your taste. Obviously, it's not always going to be the case. I'm sure not everyone who loved Star Wars went out and watched a bunch of Kurosawa films. But if some people end up going deeper because of those kinds of things then that's cool.

Anyway, back to Saltburn : it really wasn't anything special and its sole gimmick was how "provocative" and edgy it was and , again, the sole redeeming points were its cinematography (which still didn't hold a candle to Korine's or Refn's) and Keohgan's acting, that's it.

Talking about Keohgan, dude is brilliant and definitely one of the best actors of this new generation, he's been good in every film I've seen him in.

I'd rather whatever Refn film (in all their pretentious glory 😁) to Saltburn, then again, it's just.my personal taste so...

Take care friend, cheers
Speaking of Refn, the below clip is one people joke about a lot but I like the sheer confidence he has in his work.



And talking of Keohgan, I'm planning on checking out Killing of a Sacred Deer soon. I saw Poor Things last week and loved it. The only other one of Yorgos Lanthimos' films I've seen is The Favourite so I'd like to see more and apparently Keohgan is excellent in it.

This is a good point as I think outside of the UK it might fly over people's heads, such as how the family actively engaged in "poverty porn" and don't really care about the people, made evident when they got bored of the weird artist, who later kills herself and the family treat going to her funeral as a bother.

That's something I've wondered too. I don't mean it to be like "you just don't get it" to anyone who didn't like it. But it is tackling material that is very specifically Briitsh and I wonder if a lot of the details just don't connect with some people. Like how Keohgan's character having a sort of scouse accent helps him meld into this identity he's putting on, particularly effective with characters who talk about how they only have a vague idea of "The North."
 

Alcibiades

Member
My prayers were answered and there was 1 theater in San Antonio that decided to show it this week (probably the only one in Texas and probably one of a handful across US, if that).

Loved the movie and loved watching on the big screen. I only had a basic idea that there was going to be an LGBTQ theme, had the actor from Green Knight and Banshees of Inisherin, and potentially something disturbing so I didn't specifically know what to expect.

It was great though, the screen ratio, the camera work, the performances (especially the main character). There were parts that were kind of predictable but it was still extremely satisfying and funny as hell. It didn't find it too particularly disturbing - I interpreted a bit more comedic in nature and maybe that's why. Obviously what's happening on screen is extremely disturbing, especially the last half hour, but the main character's outlandish personality and actions had me laughing throughout.

And the theatrical experience made a difference, particularly in the final dance number where we got to see the main character's dong almost in full glory lol. Sorta like the Holdovers, the big screen really let's you immerse yourself in the world. It helps I was the only one in the whole screening.

One of my favorite movies of 2023. Kind of reminds me of Can You Ever Forgive Me? in that it was a favorite of mine that I almost missed out on (I saw it at a second-run dollar cinema) because it flew under the radar.

Would see again if a theater near me was showing it but it doesn't look likely. I was planning to watch Godzilla Minus One Minus Color in RPX (which I had already seen in a regular theater and the color version twice - once in IMAX and once in 4DX) but I couldn't pass up a chance at a movie like this in theaters.
 
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The ending twist was fucking stupid. It felt like it was something they came up with last minute and shot for an ending.
It should have ended at the cafe. They decided to do an A24 instead and keep going. So it felt rushed/botched instead.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
Having talked to people about this, none of them realised when he spat on his hand when on top of the black kid, he then shoved his cock up his arse 😂
 

Irobot82

Member
I feel like I knew what the plot twist was and wasn't surprised. It was disturbing just to be disturbing and too much dick for my taste. :messenger_grinning_sweat:

It was an ok movie.
 
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