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U.S. opposes UN resolution against death penalty for same-sex relations
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Rewarding Pence's loyalty.
I have nothing else to say.
I mean, really, what? Did they mark the wrong box in the ballot or something? Did they mishear?
I mean the topic frames the issue in a very specific way about same-sex issues rather than the death penalty more broadly. For those that read the thread and see that it's more about the death penalty as a whole then Japan's vote makes more sense given that they have the death penalty still.
They are Pros at it too.
Chezzymann
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Angelus Errare
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Many folks views on Japan and it's culture are fueled almost entirely by anime/videogames/jpop.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Nigeria probably abstained because they care more about their international image than LBGT people's rights.
As far as I know, they allow this practice in the northern states. So I see this as the Nigerian government keeping quiet in public because they know what goes on at home would not be accepted internationally.
People usually judge a country by its "image". And when most people think of japan they think of anime and video games and other cultural exports
Always-honest
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What a shameful backwards country. I'm sorry to say it but there is nothing else i can say.
Gai Murakumo
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Gotta oppose what the rest of the world is going or wants because M'erica.
Robot Carnival
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is there someone actually making these decisions in our government right now? like is there one person going "ok, the UN is voting on death penalty against same sex relationship people. me, as the head of so and so department, will issue an order to vote against this." I want to know who the hell it is that can sink to such a level.
guybrushfreeman
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I realise that but where are people getting their ideas of LGBT in Japan..... I've clearly missed something here
Edit: I mean is anime supposed to have a positive LGBT image? Like, they made Yuri on Ice and everything else just went away?
Yuri on Ice was pretty good though
Random Painted HIghway
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Threads about legislation and resolutions that do not actually contain the resolution or a link to the resolution really drive me nuts and really make me curious of the ops motives. can we not raise the level of conversation by looking at the actual documents being discussed?
Here:
http://ilga.org/downloads/HRC36_resolution_question_death_penalty.pdf
How can you expect to have a meaningful discussion about something like this if you dont even post the real words used in the controversy?
If you actually read that resolution, you will see a wealth of reasons why this republican government would not be a signatory to this, the same-sex relation aspect is a minor point in the laundry list of bullet points. I mean, Im sure the repubs dont care one bit about the protections for same sex relations in other countries, but youre fooling yourselves if you think that was the basis of their no vote here. Collateral damage unfortunately to the desire to be able to execute without access to better representation or execution of low functioners or transparency of the process.
Here:
http://ilga.org/downloads/HRC36_resolution_question_death_penalty.pdf
How can you expect to have a meaningful discussion about something like this if you dont even post the real words used in the controversy?
If you actually read that resolution, you will see a wealth of reasons why this republican government would not be a signatory to this, the same-sex relation aspect is a minor point in the laundry list of bullet points. I mean, Im sure the repubs dont care one bit about the protections for same sex relations in other countries, but youre fooling yourselves if you think that was the basis of their no vote here. Collateral damage unfortunately to the desire to be able to execute without access to better representation or execution of low functioners or transparency of the process.
Zombie James
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Republicans: Pro-life*
*until you're born, then we want you dead ASAP.
*until you're born, then we want you dead ASAP.
Patrick Bateman
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Hu, I was aware of China, Japan and the US, but I never knew that India had capital punishment.
Palette Swap
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Yeah. No shit a republican admin wouldnt support this:
Its a good resolution, but its basically anti-death penalty so of course, they wont have it.
LordKasual
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Yup, pretty much.
I hate how recently, in far too many cases whenever a news story thread is made, one of the first things to think about is "Well, it probably didn't happen the way the thread title describes it, I wonder what really happened". It's not quite fake news yet, but far too close.
Death by hanging.
guybrushfreeman
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To be fair the title is not inaccurate. It is literally true. However the OP would be better off providing context on the matter, most importantly the general split between states who continue to use capital punishment and those to don't to help readers understand the issue better
I respectfully disagree. It's not a "resolution against death penalty for same-sex relations", it's even called a resolution on "The question of the death penalty". Just reading that title I know why the US voted against it, which isn't the case at all when reading the thread title. Sure, capital punishment for same-sex relations is called out specifically, but that's just one of many cases the resolution deems the death penalty especially cruel.
The resolution even specifically calls upon countries to abolish capital punishment. So of course the US is going to vote against it.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
The article isn't about the entire resolution though, there were many different votes on specific questions and the article isn't about the entire resolution. The article is specifically about the LGBT portion (unsurprising given the source).
Now of course greater context helps people understand the issue but the title and article are correct, just focused very narrowly on one section of the issue
Edit: Anyway we don't really disagree, a better title and article would help people understand the issue more clearly
I'm upset about it, but not for the reason you think.
It's a shame I live in a world where someone can say that and it be a completely justified stance to take.
Random Painted HIghway
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Considering the op merely copy pasted the entire article without any additional comments and hasnt returned to the thread, perhaps they are just a news bot to which we need not seek or expect actual depth of discourse from. Maybe I was too hasty in critiquing the program.
NoMoreTrolls
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This 100 percent. The framing of the OP and the linked article is absolutely lopsided to generate more controversy because nobody can be bothered to actually read what they're posting about.
Pretty much where I sit on that.
Fuck America. I live here and I really have to actively wonder how much better my life would be if I lived in some European country instead. I can't even have any faith that things will get any better, either, with how often the youth is getting brainwashed into believing "both sides" bullshit.
I want out.
Patrick Bateman
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Omegasquash
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I want us to be what we know we ought to be, not what's going to get us a nicer TV or a bigger shopping mall, or cater to "god", or any of the other things that are flushing American idealism, ingenuity, equality (needed lots of work before, no question) isn't lost.
I think it's forgotten.
cryptosporidium
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The US never accepts UN stuff. Rights of a child, the ICC, etc.
This shit happens regardless of trump.
It also pisses me off since ill be studying international law
This shit happens regardless of trump.
It also pisses me off since ill be studying international law
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