Katze mit Hut
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Well, i guess thats the best info we´ll ever get on that issue. I might as well believe it.
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Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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Well, i guess thats the best info we´ll ever get on that issue. I might as well believe it.
Well I'd imagine Sony wouldn't have put Lara in that gamer's mural if it was exclusive back in May...
Hey now...the mural has been fixed
Seriously though, I'd think...with all the places listing it...someone, somewhere would have gotten a notification to do so. Otherwise, they all just sort of assumed, lol.
I'm sure this has been asked a hundred times in this thread, but do we know for sure if this is a true console exclusive or just timed?
Microsoft's wording makes me think it is only timed but the Crystal Dynamics guy's tweet makes me think otherwise.
Has there been confirmation either way?
Microsoft's wording makes me think it is only timed but the Crystal Dynamics guy's tweet makes me think otherwise.
Has there been confirmation either way?
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I have both systems and I prefer my Xbox One. They seem to be doing fine on their own merits to me -- especially with Spencer in charge and the constant updates to the OS every month.
Yeah, there really hasn't been any conflicting information on it either. I don't think this situation is the same though -- TitanFall was a new IP by a new studio (even if it has major talent behind it) while Tomb Raider is a pretty huge franchise. This is probably just business as usual, but that's the gaming business for you.
Who said that? Where?
Chobel
Member
No, you can still fund games that otherwise wouldn't exist (SO, Scalebound), or do pay money for a game that supposedly would be multipaltform and stop other versions of the game from existing. I'm talking the second part.
i wouldnt really put much weight into the guy after his titanfall ramblings
i trust shinobi though
edit: is cboat shinobis source ?
krypt0nian
Banned
Bullshit. Right back at you. They knew they fucked up when they apologized to their community.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
To be fair, your answers were pretty vague. You said legally then sales instead of well, that this guy's said below. But thanks anyways for trying.
Oh, I see.... Hmm.. But they wouldn't have to do that if.... *shrugs*
It's cool though, eventually they will have to explain it like everyone else. Didn't EA have to explain themselves regarding Titanfall and Insomniac with SO etc etc. But I understand them trying to wait out the media circus of the situation.
QuantumZebra
Member
People were pissed yes, but that was a new IP.
This is a SEQUEL.
It'd be like saying here everyone watch "Batman Begins"
Now you can only watch "The Dark Knight" if you buy a blu-ray player made by Toshiba.
LlamaJohnson
Member
This. A few dozen people on a message board are not equal to the millions of video game playing people who will see it only on Xbone and think, "cool. I'll buy it."
shacklesmcgee
Member
can we make a damn FAQ for the people who keep bringing up Bayonetta 2, Bloodbourne, and even god damn Titanfall? It's getting embarassing having to read the same dumb argument brought up every "exclusive" thread.
Neff
Member
Well, I was right, wasn't I?
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
I am sorry but that is being hypocrite. And you are indeed supporting the same shitty practice.
Err...I don't agree with that. They should be making games from their 1st party studios and hiring developers to create new IPs (or even revive dead IPs) for them like Nintendo and Sony (We saw Sony do plenty of the latter today).
Preventing established games from coming to other platforms after the game was already announced for every system (aka the game was already going to be funded) is a shitty thing to do. The only consumer benefiting from this are fanboys. The whatever amount of millions they used to keep a big multiplat IP from appearing on other systems could have been used for another game.
You're not going to officially hear it's timed until another version gets announced. Likewise we won't know for sure it's NOT timed until we see them boasting about a full on exclusive.
But think about what makes more sense here in lieu of any harder announcements: it's a long running, multiplatform series that's done reasonably well from a major third party. If SE goes for a full on exclusivity then either Microsoft has more money than sense (which they probably do anyway) or SE is really fucking dumb or desperate.
It's always a bit of a shame when Sony & Microsoft do this but it is understandable. I wasn't keen on the first but it was OK, it wouldn't have been a launch game for me but it's nice when you have the choice. With a bit of luck being on the one console will allow them to push the hardware more as they did a pretty poor for Xbox users with their last game.
Uh... no?
Oh they will care when they wonder why the sequel Tomb Raider: Lara Begins "only" sells 2 million or some nonsense.
krypt0nian
Banned
They've never been very good at that. In fact they usually walk away from console development early.
Chobel
Member
It's not the same, let's not this make a false dichotomy here. One is bad the other is so fucking worse.
we'll have to agree to disagree there friend
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Explain? If timed content is optional and doesn't hinder the base game is shitty. Then this must be even more shitty. People don't even get the base game lol nor the extras that will ultimately fall into the timed exclusivity.
No, this game is timed. Its better this way, now people have the choice of waiting to get the ps4 version. Otherwise the are being tricked into getting an xbo
cpp_is_king
Member
For all you know cboat and Shinobi are the same person.
Agreed. If Sony/MS/Nintendo foot the cost of development I would have no problem with it but buying a game that's already in the works is kinda shitty.
Who says they are not?
It takes a while to get a studio/project up and running. The issue is that MSFT needs exclusive games now not two or three years from now. I wouldn't be surprised if they paid for another exclusive game between now and E3.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
I don't think that's true at all. It's going to create much more of a backlash against MS and SE imo. I for one am pissed at both of them for this. I would have bought an Xbox probably within a year up until this news.
DangerMouse
Member
No and the more they include holiday 2015 as a stipulation every time the more it leads to believe it's really timed with some of the most deceptive wording ever.
My initial reaction was that of pity. This is what it's come to for Square Enix and Microsoft? You have to nab a Tomb Raider sequel? Whatever you gotta do i guess, not sure if i'm jumping on that Sunset Overdrive bundle since there isn't much i want to play on Xbox One after that game, if i had an xbox one i'd probably give Tomb Raider a rent since i liked the first one enough, but I'm not exactly throwing money at MS now, we all know it will come to PS4 eventually too.
well, as someone who only plans on owning a PS4 and PC (do not like the values that MS has put forth with the XB1 and do not plan on supporting them) this is upsetting. I don't blame MS for doing it but this just goes to show that in the corporate world there is nothing but the bottom line. CD does not care about the customers of other platforms that have supported them in the past and that is a shame.
Yea this is not going to work out for MS the way they thought. All they've succeeded at doing is pudding people off. The fact that it's a moneyhat is so obvious everyone knows it.
I can't beleive Square Enix went along with it.
Didn't the Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition have nearly 2:1 on PS4 over XB1? This is just nuts. They must've thrown a heap of money on the table.
I can't beleive Square Enix went along with it.
Didn't the Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition have nearly 2:1 on PS4 over XB1? This is just nuts. They must've thrown a heap of money on the table.
Katze mit Hut
Member
One could say its not about winning at this point. If you want to stay in the war-wording you could say we are in the last days of the war, where the "defeated" party retreats while murdering, stealing and raping anything in their path to cause as much chaos as possible.
/dunno if serious Oo
This is what irks me, it's like Halo again where they take a game from an audience rather than create a game for an audience...it's just not 'right' IMO and is why some consider MS underhand.
markedbravado
Member
When in the past? Find the proof that they did such with the first TR game. It has been disputed in this thread already and the past means shit to me. The game market is entirely different now than it was in the mid 90s. This is even worse if u sum up the fact that the XBO, PS4, and PC all have very similar architecture this time around. Working on multiple consoles is not as taxing as it used to be back then.
seems at the time of E3 at least, it was not exclusive. from Microsoft's E3 press release:
from @jasonschreier's twitter account
Someone posted a Brazilian Playstation magazine from E3 that had a ROTR poster included on another forum.
So yes, this deal screams recent to me.
The Antitype
Banned
I had a long, detailed post written up but Chrome crashed.
TL;DR version: They won't. But if it contributes even a little bit to building a perception that Xbox One is a place where you can find great games first (or exclusively, depending on how informed the consumer in question is), then it's worth it over the long haul.
Well, it's worth it over the long haul IF this is only one of several games they make deals for over the next few years.... ideally while they restock their own internal development.
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You know what, fuck it. Nintendo, just buy the Xbox division from Microsoft, bring over the controller, the hardware, the 1st party studios and the online infrastructure. I'm tired of this BS. Let's go back to two consoles. I think Halo + Mario +Forza +Zelda + Gears of War + Metroid would make for a fun lineup. /dream
Nice get for Microsoft. I'll pick it up on a Steam sale sometime in 2016, I guess.
Have to think that check is huge for Square Enix to neglect the platform with stronger sales in a franchise they want to grow, and whose sales were labelled as "Under-performed" once upon a time.
Have to think that check is huge for Square Enix to neglect the platform with stronger sales in a franchise they want to grow, and whose sales were labelled as "Under-performed" once upon a time.
rokkerkory
Member
You know the PS4 version will be the definitive definitive version? With extra levels and outfits.
This is all about monies.
This is all about monies.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
They will never catch up.
LlamaJohnson
Member
I agree with the thread title being changed to "Likely" or "Rumored Timed Exclusive" but not that it is a logical conclusion that it is a timed exclusive. Nothing here points to that, both MS and SE/CD are being very stern that the wording is exactly what they want to put out, that the game is only coming to Xbone and it's coming holiday 2015.
In my view SE/CD are being huge dicks no matter how this turns out.
Either by A): It is an actual exclusive and they are cutting out two other platforms that they have released at least their past five games on; or B): It is a timed exclusive but are looking to drum up talk and mind share of the game by shocking everyone with wording that points to it being an actual Xbone exclusive but then announcing later it is only timed.
If it is A I honestly hope Rise tanks, in that situation they are clearly comfortable in gaining a lump sum covering their expected sales on PS4 or PC in trade of having terrible PR with their prior fans on non MS consoles, and judging by some in this thread, MS console fans as well. Taking your previously long standing multi-plat series and making it exclusive to one console, and the worst selling of the two major current gen platforms and worse performing to boot, just for a large money hat is shit.
This doesn't seem much worse to me than making No Mans Sky or Hellblade timed exclusives. Nobody wins from any exclusive 3rd part content except for MS and Sony but it is just the nature of the beast when there is fierce competition. People griping so much about this one instance of it seems a bit crazy.
plasmawave
Banned
Both party still get to enjoy the game while one party don't get to enjoy the game at all?
d00d3n
Member
Fucken this. Instead of the 400 million they spent on some American sport the rest of the world doesn't give a shit about they could of make like 100 XBL games if they put like 4 million each to them or afew massive AAA games.
Instead of Titanfall money hats or Tomb Raider money hats again they could of made their own games.