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Hatred - Reveal & Gameplay Trailer
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thehillissilent
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You know Fox News is going to run with that!
Willy Wanka
my god this avatar owns
I watched the trailer and it definitely isn't my cup of tea. I'll pass.
Hm, so far it sounds like they were just fighting the Stalin occupation? Many of them apparently already fought the nazi occupation
But I guess they could look attractive to modern nationalist groups.
What an incredibly misinformed tweet.
Backfoggen
Banned
Lol wtf is this. Main dude looks ridiculous.
hobblygobbly
Member
My polish isn't that good and the text too small on the shirt but translated it says cursed soldiers, which is reference to the people (both men and women) that fought against polish communism and Stalinism/Soviets.
I'm not an expert but have a fairly good understanding on European history and I have direct family split amongst German, Danish and Polish bloodlines so I understand the languages.
Here is some more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursed_soldiers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_resistance_movement_in_World_War_II
"Cursed Soldiers" has nothing to do with neo-nazism (at least to my knowledge), I don't know what some obscure modern movement may have adopted and transformed/manipulated to their agenda though. But his shirt and from what we know of him based on this picture has nothing to do with neo-nazism. I can't even begin to understand how one can come to that assumption in the first place unless you're fishing.
I'm not an expert but have a fairly good understanding on European history and I have direct family split amongst German, Danish and Polish bloodlines so I understand the languages.
Here is some more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursed_soldiers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_resistance_movement_in_World_War_II
"Cursed Soldiers" has nothing to do with neo-nazism (at least to my knowledge), I don't know what some obscure modern movement may have adopted and transformed/manipulated to their agenda though. But his shirt and from what we know of him based on this picture has nothing to do with neo-nazism. I can't even begin to understand how one can come to that assumption in the first place unless you're fishing.
Oh please
MightyHedgehog
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I don't give a flying fuck about the given narrative as that's easily something that can be dropped in to excuse the actions the player is participating in. It was a game based primarily upon the thrill of killing in rather realistic and vicious ways with barely any other structure to give it value...no teamplay, no sport-like elements, no humor, and no real statement made. Just dark shit for the sake of immersing yourself in it. Besides, Manhunt was still a level above this, not anywhere this awful with its focus on 'kill all the innocents you can find' goal.
the implication made by the people on twitter sharing that seems to be that they're particularly celebrated in popular culture as heroes by polish neo-nazi/extreme right groups, with the shirts being a calling card
i have no idea whether that's true as i'm ignorant of polish culture and politics
What the fuck is this?
jakonovski
Member
It is interesting, especially since I'm also one of the millions of people who gleefully do all sorts of vile stuff in GTA. The most interesting thing about Hatred will be how much it will be adopted as the proverbial fig leaf for enjoying ultraviolence in other games. The gamer doth protest too much.
IronicSonic
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Well, this guy has a very particular idea about "pure gaming pleasure". Generally I associate "gaming pleasure" with PlatinumGames or EAD games...
And if you want to be "politically Incorrect" be it in a constructive way instead a mindless, dumb and offensive one.
fake edit: And videogames in 2014 are a kind of hight art.
Jimmyfenix
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Could it be the dev team is trying to gain publicity positive or negative for this game ?
Eh... it didn't even last a page before it was debunked.
thehillissilent
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Mass Murder Simulator 2015
Basketball
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from their facebook
"Here we go... Brace yourselves for the reveal trailer of our first game – Hatred. Take note that this fine tool of propaganda consists purely of in-game footage! Visit our website for more info: http://www.hatredgame.com/
Love it, or hate it. There's no in-between!
Spread it on the web! Share it! Bring it everywhere and let the haters hate! (And they will, oh they will...)'
They're not lying about that
"Here we go... Brace yourselves for the reveal trailer of our first game – Hatred. Take note that this fine tool of propaganda consists purely of in-game footage! Visit our website for more info: http://www.hatredgame.com/
Love it, or hate it. There's no in-between!
Spread it on the web! Share it! Bring it everywhere and let the haters hate! (And they will, oh they will...)'
They're not lying about that
FTFY
They've already received a 13-page GAF thread on it, I'm sure some sites will cover it soon as well. You could argue that not covering the game would be a better move for sites that disagree with the content, but I'd rather see them critique it, to be honest.
They certainly want that kind of publicity.
Also no pun about hating a game that's called Hatred? Missed opportunity.
Sucks this game is getting so much attention when so many other properly great looking indie games get so little.
I suppose the message is - it pays to be controversial.
NoCryingUntilTheEnd
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But mindless, dumb, and offensive can be fun occasionally.
Basketball
Member
This game would probably make a killing on kickstarter
no pun intended
KaiserBecks
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Of course you can criticise it. You can criticise anything. But taking a moral high ground and pretending to know where to draw the line isn't criticism. Swap those "people" with zombies and all of a sudden it's totally fine. Same goes for all those arguments around context and justifiable violence. Bullshit.
Tbh.
Pseudo judo
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No way in hell am I buying a murder of innocents sim and neither should anyone else.
If you want soccer mom's and congressional douche bags looking to get reelected to ruin our hobby then this is the game to buy.
Besides, it looks vile.
If you want soccer mom's and congressional douche bags looking to get reelected to ruin our hobby then this is the game to buy.
Besides, it looks vile.
BLUElightCory
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Well guys, I think we found the line.
This looks like a game designed by a misanthropic 17 year-old. The devs are free to make whatever game they want, but it feels like a seriously vile step back for an industry that is trying to be taken seriously. I guess at the end of the day it's not that different from extreme horror movies and the like, but it just feels so icky and exploitative. Which is probably the exact reaction the devs are going for.
To the people comparing this to Hotline Miami, Uncharted, and zombie games/movies are you serious? This is (ostensibly) a game purely about murdering innocent people. Huge, huge, difference. Gross.
This looks like a game designed by a misanthropic 17 year-old. The devs are free to make whatever game they want, but it feels like a seriously vile step back for an industry that is trying to be taken seriously. I guess at the end of the day it's not that different from extreme horror movies and the like, but it just feels so icky and exploitative. Which is probably the exact reaction the devs are going for.
To the people comparing this to Hotline Miami, Uncharted, and zombie games/movies are you serious? This is (ostensibly) a game purely about murdering innocent people. Huge, huge, difference. Gross.
Hatred just seems like a bland doom metal band name, which seems fitting with how their player character is a bland, uninspired metalhead caricature.
Jimmyfenix
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I have read on twitter people are emailing Epic about their engine being associated with this game. Can Epic realistically do anything about it?
NoCryingUntilTheEnd
Banned
So... don't buy a violent game or else our violent games will be taken away... ?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
They got tired of conservative news networks calling violent games "mass murder simulators", so they decided to really show them what that looks like
LMFAO when the camera pans up and its a fuckin twin stick shooter
LMFAO when the camera pans up and its a fuckin twin stick shooter
fuzzyreactor
Banned
Holy crap, that looks awesome.Will buy day one if it actually gets released
snoopeasystreet
Member
Seeing as I haven't played the game yet everything I say here is speculative on what the game is actually about but there's a difference between making a game where you can kill civilians and making a game about killing civilians.
If you were to make a game with the exact same mechanics and tone as Hatred but have the win state being killing one specific character in the world and provide all the narrative accouterments to make killing that character believable in that world, you can include the ability to mass murder civilians (provided it's player choice and you don't reward the player for doing so). The game will still raise red flags and garner controversy but ultimately, the onus to do terrible shit is on the player.
GTA games support mass murder but never acknowledge it's a viable solution to a problem or even say "this a thing you can do" and although they get a bit of heat from the mass media, most people know it's not actually a murder simulator.
By saying the murder of civilians is the explicit goal, everything grotesque or fucked up that the player does to a civilian is on the hands of the developer and makes them come off as sadists. There could be a plot twists that says "turns out the player character was right and everyone you killed was infected" that makes the narrative more noble but ultimately the ludo-narrative is still rotten.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I doubt that very much. And neither should they.
Honestly any anger or hatred (hurhur) against this thing is completly pointless. It'll come out and some point, nobody is gonna talk about it and then it'll disappear again. Doing anything to hinder the development will only make it more popular. Just leave it be.
notworksafe
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This makes me think of a combo of Postal, Madworld, and the Punisher game for PS2...not sure why.
With it being in Unreal, I could see some really goofy mods coming out for this.
With it being in Unreal, I could see some really goofy mods coming out for this.
jakonovski
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Just about 100% of all games enthusiast press likes to yell "awesome!" at exploding heads in 1080p gory detail. It'll be interesting to see the same people falling over themselves trying to act all concerned about this.
Backfoggen
Banned
That is fucking stupid.
taizuke
Member
Oh they'll pick up on it alright and ignore it afterwards. But, it'll make headlines every time some kid uses it as inspiration for a shooting. That's what is sad.
I'm not sure this kind of game would be something I would want to play or would enjoy. It kind of looks like Postal but without any of the self referential humor. At the same time I think it's interesting as a game and want to hear more. I mean there are a lot of games where you brutally kill hundreds of enemies, is doing the same actions but in a different context okay in a fictional setting? Should be interesting to see what the point or goal of the game is and what discussion come from it at least.
shadowstar
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Sounds like Nathan Explosion made this game.
hobblygobbly
Member
Nope, but they have the right not to showcase it as a game that uses their engine on their website, etc. People doing that are just being silly. They might as well email everything else associated with the game from operating systems to middleware they use within the game other than the engine. Sometimes I wonder if these people know what reality is.
If Epic did that it would be censorship based on what some people do not like. That's not a good thing.
JackAubrey
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NoCryingUntilTheEnd
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Blowing people's heads off and other acts of ultraviolence are only okay when those people are bad people. Enjoying brutally murdering bad people doesn't make you a sick, violent person at all.
/s
EDIT: Actually, I don't think the "/s" is applicable here as I don't think enjoying brutal murder and violence in video games makes one a sick and violent person.
It's fine if people do that, but I don't think Epic should censor this. Do I agree with the game? No. Do I think we should start censoring people's games? No.
That's a slippery slope. What should stop gamergate people from trying to censor games they don't agree with then? Who decides what is acceptable as a game, and when it should be shut down?
I laughed. A+++
This seems similar to the trailer for the strategy game where you played a trader building up and controlling the African slave trade, but was actually designed as a viral marketing ploy to raise awareness of historical and present day slavery.
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