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Human Rights Watch Report: Hundreds of gay men killed in Baghdad

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So sad man. These people just want to live their lives uninterrupted. Though I don't believe in religion and the like, I would hope there's an "allah" waiting to strike these motherfuckers down after death.

I'd pay anything to see the look on their faces after being told they were completely wrong.
 
soultron said:
Sexual orientation isn't necessarily a static property of someone's personality. If I wanted to go gay tomorrow, I could.
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ORLY?. Maybe your gay or bi then. Sexuality is not a choice IMO, i could try and hump a dude but it would be impossible because my penis would not go along with my "free will".
 
goomba said:
ORLY?. Maybe your gay or bi then. Sexuality is not a choice IMO, i could try and hump a dude but it would be impossible because my penis would not go along with my "free will".
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But you can make your mind develop a likeness for men.
 
Timedog said:
There's plenty of people on GAF that think this is awesome, but they're too pussy to speak up.
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Perhaps I'm just naïve, but I have a hard time believing there's that many people on this forum that think this is "awesome," regardless of their viewpoint on LBGT issues.
 
I agree. There are probably some whose first thought is, "Well, they could just hide; it's their fault for being out," though.
 
Mumei said:
I agree. There are probably some whose first thought is, "Well, they could just hide; it's their fault for being out," though.
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Why hide? Just go straight, like regular people. Gays can develop a likeness for women.
 
Unfortunately, the US govt has ignored the increasing Islamic extremism that has occurred in Iraq. The lives of Non-Muslims and social "outcasts" has become unbearable, and many are either fleeing the country or going into deep hiding. Hopefully, someone will finally start doing something about this.
 
Don't be gay, Sparky.





horrible story...why can't humans act humanely? Why do we try and destroy the advances civilization make and call it "conservativism"?
 
Mumei said:
I'm not sure we have anyone stupid enough to use the, "Well, they could just hide and it would be fine," (or some variant) line.
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We've had people saying "It's the obnoxious gay people's fault. They don't know their place".
 
ice cream said:
But you can make your mind develop a likeness for men.
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First you come into a thread where a GAF member was beaten for being gay, and you taunted him. And now this. As a straight man, I can say this: Fuck you buddy! Fuck you.
 
TheCardPlayer said:
First you come into a thread where a GAF member was beaten for being gay, and you taunted him. And now this. As a straight man, I can say this: Fuck you buddy! Fuck you.
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He tries to keep it subtle to stay under the radar, but on several occasions I've noticed some relativization of brutalities and veiled criticisms on gays. And yes, his contribution to the "fag bashing" thread is very classy. His post perfectly falls in line with his other posts: Minimizing what has happened to Nick, and criticizing him while doing it, yet staying subtle and quiet enough not to get noticed by the mods.
 
ZephyrFate said:
Oh yeah, aren't you like a pedophile or something? I remember you have a strong attraction to young girls in anime.

tl;dr: get out, pedo.
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1. I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic
2. You're thinking of icecream (no space). You can tell because he doesn't have a loli avatar.

EDIT: Went back and looked at his post history; so much for #1. But #2 still stands -- a dipshit, but not a loli-loving pedo dipshit. As far as I know.
 
ice cream said:
But you can make your mind develop a likeness for men.
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Well of course ones personality and psycology is based on the environmental factors in which it is developed, but I believe there have been studies that have shown that gay men share similar gene clusters. I think it is at a point where dna only significantly increases the predisposition towards a sexual orientation of a person. It still is of course, an intensely debated issue wether sexual orientation is genetically based or not.

So it is indeed likely that environmental changes could make a straight person gay and vice versa. But there isn't a way to just force your mind to suddenly be gay.

I really feel awful for all the terrible stuff that people have to live with. Why can't we all just be friends? Stuff like this shouldn't be happening in the world anymore.
 
haha i taunted the guy who got beat up? And I haven't checked the thread since I posed that post, but at that point there was no proof that he got beaten up for being gay. And contrary to popular belief, being "gay" is not something you are born with, it's something your mind develops. People were not born to like the certain colours, their mind developed that. I don't have a gene in me saying that I like the colour red. I have nothing against people being homosexual as they can't help it, it just how their brain developed. BUT maybe if they lived somewhere else while they were growing, had a very different life then MAYBE they wouldn't have developed a sexual attraction for the same sex.
Obviously its very hard to turn yourself gay, but theoretically it is possible, like people who hate dogs, don't like certain foods. You can probably do some crazy tests and videos and shit and bruteforce them mentally some crazy way and itd work.
 
ice cream said:
haha i taunted the guy who got beat up? And I haven't checked the thread since I posed that post, but at that point there was no proof that he got beaten up for being gay. And contrary to popular belief, being "gay" is not something you are born with, it's something your mind develops. People were not born to like the certain colours, their mind developed that. I don't have a gene in me saying that I like the colour red. I have nothing against people being homosexual as they can't help it, it just how their brain developed. BUT maybe if they lived somewhere else while they were growing, had a very different life then MAYBE they wouldn't have developed a sexual attraction for the same sex.
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So it's 100% nurture according to you? Could you link me up to the proof?
 
Souldriver said:
So it's 100% nurture according to you? Could you link me up to the proof?
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Right now I believe its nurture as with most things to do with preference as I haven't seen much strong evidence to suggest its not. Until it becomes an undeniable fact that people are born gay then I'm still going with this.
 
Souldriver said:
He tries to keep it subtle to stay under the radar, but on several occasions I've noticed some relativization of brutalities and veiled criticisms on gays. And yes, his contribution to the "fag bashing" thread is very classy. His post perfectly falls in line with his other posts: Minimizing what has happened to Nick, and criticizing him while doing it, yet staying subtle and quiet enough not to get noticed by the mods.
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And after you've weeded out the secretly anti-gay, maybe you can get the mods to take care of the openly religious because they too secretly hate gays and make thinly veiled posts to that effect. I'm sure you can examine my post history and find something bannable. The more we clamp down on opposing views, the better.

On topic, this is clearly a tragedy, but atheist-gaf would prefer to toss the baby with the bath water as usual.
 
ice cream said:
Right now I believe its nurture as with most things to do with preference as I haven't seen much strong evidence to suggest its not. Until it becomes an undeniable fact that people are born gay then I'm still going with this.
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So it's not fact, it's what you believe. Could you tell me exactly how an upbringing can cause a person to become gay? What are some of the conditions according to you?

VanMardigan said:
And after you've weeded out the secretly anti-gay, maybe you can get the mods to take care of the openly religious because they too secretly hate gays and make thinly veiled posts to that effect. I'm sure you can examine my post history and find something bannable. The more we clamp down on opposing views, the better.

On topic, this is clearly a tragedy, but atheist-gaf would prefer to toss the baby with the bath water as usual.
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If that were to be true, than yes, I would prefer them to be banned. However, I doubt every religious person is a gay hater. You're making generalizations, not me.
I don't want to be blamed of back seat modding so I'd prefer not to keep talking about this. If you want to, PM me.
 
Souldriver said:
So it's not fact, it's what you believe. Could you tell me exactly how an upbringing can cause a person to become gay? What are some of the conditions according to you?
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Maybe it depends on how many rainbows you see as a kid :lol

Seriously, how can there still be people who think that sexual orientation isn't genetic?
 
Asmodai said:
Maybe it depends on how many rainbows you see as a kid :lol

Seriously, how can there still be people who think that sexual orientation isn't genetic?
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I think it started to develop when my mom gave me this lunch box as a kid. It was pink! My brother never got one of those, and he turned out straight. Need I say more...

I wonder what causes gay animals to become gay.
 
Souldriver said:
I think it started to develop when my mom gave me this lunch box as a kid. It was pink! My brother never got one of those, and he turned out straight. Need I say more...

I wonder what causes gay animals to become gay.
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Clearly, rainbows. It was right in my last post! Pay attention! :D

I mean, the theory holds up. I saw maybe one or two rainbows as a kid, and I turned out straight!

We can use some science to test just how many rainbows it takes to make a kid gay. I'm guessing 5 or more will do it.
 
sorry for continuing ot, but there is a German study suggesting that pregnant women under stress are more likely to have gay children.
This is the only English source I found about it:
Readers should "google" the famous Dresden Study, conducted after World War II. It sought to prove this theory of stress related homosexuality by evaluating the number of homosexual offspring of women who were in their first trimester of pregnancy during the bombings of Dresden, Germany. The results showed that the percentage of homosexual children during this period was significantly higher. Perhaps modern researchers will want to look at Iraq in future years to see if a similar pattern emerges.
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http://www.viewzone.com/homosexual.html
[disclaimer: I did not check the site]

It's not a choice.
 
What are the conditions for liking jam sandwiches? I don't fucking know! Who fucking knows? it's certain preferences people developUntil majority of scientists agree it is genetic then I'm on board baby. And stop with this BS about me being anti gay because I realise it is not a choice and I never said it was a choice.
 
ice cream said:
What are the conditions for liking jam sandwiches? I don't fucking know! Who fucking knows? it's certain preferences people developUntil majority of scientists agree it is genetic then I'm on board baby. And stop with this BS about me being anti gay because I realise it is not a choice and I never said it was a choice.
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Thing is though. You can develop a taste for certain food, if you eat it enough. Everybody knows some kind of food he/she didn't like at first but now loves. However, as a gay guy you can't become straight, no matter how many times you fuck a woman. You seem to suggest otherwise, since you say you can "develop a likeness for men/women".

You should compare it more with the color of your eyes. No matter how much you want to change it, it won't happen.
 
ice cream said:
What are the conditions for liking jam sandwiches? I don't fucking know! Who fucking knows? it's certain preferences people developUntil majority of scientists agree it is genetic then I'm on board baby. And stop with this BS about me being anti gay because I realise it is not a choice and I never said it was a choice.
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How do you "realise" it is not a choice? The hell?

I can't "choose" to become gay. When I see a hot girl, I don't "decide" to be attracted to it. You should know this as a guy. Here's an idea to test out your hypothesis: try to NOT be stimulated by something you see as attractive. See how well that works for you. :lol
 
ice cream said:
Right now I believe its nurture as with most things to do with preference as I haven't seen much strong evidence to suggest its not. Until it becomes an undeniable fact that people are born gay then I'm still going with this.
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How is whether or not your body reacts to certain stimulation or doesn't a "preference"? You're actually saying you just prefer to be turned on by women instead of men? You get a boner because you "prefer" to? :lol
 
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I'm not a OT person, but its sad that almost all these thing come down to religion, believing in something that might or might not be real and making people do these things.
 
Alright it has to be said, so I guess I will say it, just how the hell does the Human Rights Watch and others expect the Iraqi Government to protect gays, when it cannot protect its people as an whole from Religious violence? Please answer me this someone.
 
Mumei said:
... Given that a lot of these purgings are essentially the result of the invasion, I'm not sure that intervention is working out all that well.
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Yeah, these were going on way more frequently before the invasion and were government sanction, 100 of thousands were tortured and killed under Saddam for an myriad of reasons including being Gay, that is fact. Its also fact that this sorta of stuff only started happening again when we were pulled out of the Cities and stop patrolling, put two and two together please.
 
methos75 said:
Alright it has to be said, so I guess I will say it, just how the hell does the Human Rights Watch and others expect the Iraqi Government to protect gays, when it cannot protect its people as an whole from Religious violence? Please answer me this someone.
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Nailed it.

All the Iraqi government can say is "We are trying to stop our citizens from killing each other."

How does it matter whether the victims are heterosexual or not? It doesn't, obviously.
 
methos75 said:
Alright it has to be said, so I guess I will say it, just how the hell does the Human Rights Watch and others expect the Iraqi Government to protect gays, when it cannot protect its people as an whole from Religious violence? Please answer me this someone.
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people expect a lot of things. You can't just absolve the Iraqi government for the mass killings of gay people because of the sectarian violence. If there is no expectation for the Iraqi government to be act better on gay killings then the situation wont get better or will only get better very very slowly. The Iraqi government might not be able to do much, and that sucks, but 'not much' is better than nothing at all.
 
i_am_ben said:
people expect a lot of things. You can't just absolve the Iraqi government for the mass killings of gay people because of the sectarian violence. If there is no expectation for the Iraqi government to be act better on gay killings then the situation wont get better or will only get better very very slowly. The Iraqi government might not be able to do much, and that sucks, but 'not much' is better than nothing at all.
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I expect them in their current climate not to single out on particular group of people and trying to protect them, and instead to start processes to protect all people. I cannot expect them to respond better on gay killings and trying to protect them, when members of the Government cannot even protect members of their own families. Some of you just have no idea how bad it is there, and have totally unrealistic views on what can and cannot be done there.
 
i_am_ben said:
people expect a lot of things. You can't just absolve the Iraqi government for the mass killings of gay people because of the sectarian violence. If there is no expectation for the Iraqi government to be act better on gay killings then the situation wont get better or will only get better very very slowly. The Iraqi government might not be able to do much, and that sucks, but 'not much' is better than nothing at all.
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The Iraqi government can't do much about any killings. The rule of law hardly exists in their country. If it wasn't for the occupying forces it would be chaos. Parts of it are chaos, as we see here, even with the occupiers there.
 
Human Rights Watch said a commonly reported form of torture involved injecting super glue into men's rectums.
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I have read this a while ago on the arabic news agency Al arabiya, what they did is inject and close their bottoms using Iranian glue and then force the to swallow diarrhea provoking tablets, they die somewhere between 6-8 hours after that.
 
methos75 said:
I expect them in their current climate not to single out on particular group of people and trying to protect them, and instead to start processes to protect all people. I cannot expect them to respond better on gay killings and trying to protect them, when members of the Government cannot even protect members of their own families. Some of you just have no idea how bad it is there, and have totally unrealistic views on what can and cannot be done there.
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I'm of the philosophy that when you have low expectations you usually get low results. (i think we might be disagreeing over a slight different usage of the word expect)

History has taught us that Gays are always one of the last groups to get rights in a society. My fear is that gay people are so hated in Iraq at the moment that they currently have much less protection than many other groups. It would be great if gay Iraqis were treated just like everyone else in the country, however, there exists a hierarchy of groups and the level of protection they receive. The gays are at the bottom and other groups are being singled out for much much much better treatment.

the rights of gay iraqis being equal to that of other iraqis is not occurring and realistically it wont happen. However, drawing attention (which gay groups are doing) can help ensure that gays don't slip further and further behind.



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Asmodai said:
The Iraqi government can't do much about any killings. The rule of law hardly exists in their country. If it wasn't for the occupying forces it would be chaos. Parts of it are chaos, as we see here, even with the occupiers there.
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Yes it's a sad case of affairs all round.
 
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