If this were a MMO, I'd agree. But the max amount of players in co-op = 4. If the other 2 players are going to attempt to snatch up an item you drop on the ground, you should be booting them. That's PUGs for you. Play with people you know, or stick to a GAF group.modeps said:
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Borderlands prerelease discussion thread
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Grimm Fandango
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Hawkian said:
Speaking of which, have you been updating the XBL group?
TheFallen said:
Others grabbing the gear is not the only problem though. Say you want to trade with someone you don't know personally... you tell them you've got this awesome +130 gun or something (truthful), and you want an awesome sniper rifle... they claim they've got this +200 sniper that they don't use and offer a trade. You both drop on the ground, he grabs yours and logs off... you grab his and find out its some starter weapon.
Alternatively, they could just grab your weapon after you drop and log off... without dropping theirs.
It's a crap method of doing things. Yeah, the GAF group would be good, but that will only go so far. This is a loot game, it is inexcusable to not have a trade mechanic.
modeps said:
I could be wrong but the videos I've seen you can see the stats of the item while it's on the ground. You'll still get ninjas (and have to be careful) but it's not all doom and gloom. It's possible to trade with others with minimal risk (see my earlier example of 100 paces out lol)
Philthy
Member
Not sure how people are going to even begin to find people to trade with, there isn't a lobby to sit and spam text in like Diablo or anything. You just randomly join hosted games and hope someone has something good?
Doesn't make much sense to me, really. Maybe someone will sit and post on a web site and spam refresh all day looking for someone to trade with, just sounds like a PITA to me.
Doesn't make much sense to me, really. Maybe someone will sit and post on a web site and spam refresh all day looking for someone to trade with, just sounds like a PITA to me.
It isn't any different from the basic mechanics of the loot system anyway. You know that after killing enemies items are dropped on the ground? Free for anyone to pick up. If you can't trust anyone for a single trade, how can you trust them to play with you at all? Just team with players you trust. Like I've said in the past here, the GAF groups will weed out loot whores and ninjas.modeps said:
modeps said:
Talking with Randy and Mikey at PAX they both stated that if the people are vocal about a trade mechanic they will patch it in after launch.. So get on the GBX forums and let them know!!
While I agree with TheFallen, it really is sad that they couldn't have created a trade window like in most multiplayer loot games..
Still buying Day 1 and look forward to playing with the GAF crew!
"God's Beard!"
Member
Hawkian said:
Cute little fluffy teddy bear < hot lead-spewing pistol of death? it doesn't even go through the guy, just harmlessly bounces off.
I'm not being contrary, I'm just saying that the idea of Borderlands being a more gory game than Fallout 3 is ridiculous. Everything about Fallout 3 is exploding gibs and bloody decapitations.
Two new videos this morning from IGN showing gameplay vs. the Crimson Lance.
http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/957205/borderlands/videos/borderlands_gmp_buildingassault_100709.html
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http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/957205/borderlands/videos/borderlands_gmp_buildingassault_100709.html
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"God's Beard!"
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I want this game to be good so bad. Please don't let me down.
Hypereides
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Artadius said:
Hot. Fucking hot.
Cat in the Hat
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Mmm Mmm MmmArtadius said:
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Damn, that gameplay vid looked sweet.
Cornballer
Member
New vids are lookin' good.
Hmm, I don't see that option up right now, and it wasn't offered when I pre-ordered about a month ago. My guess is they're not doing it. (I plan on playing FIFA until it arrives because that definitely has release date shipping on Amazon.)Eric WK said:
Cornballer said:
Xbox 360 Titles with Release Date Delivery
I emailed them about it so we'll see, but I'll probably just pay the few extra bucks at Best Buy or Gamestop and take the day off.
Cornballer
Member
Interesting. On my orders page, it's not listed as release date (FIFA delivery says 10/20, Borderlands delivery says 10/23.) I sent them an email about it, too.
BobFromPikeCreek
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Awesome. That rocket launcher that fired off 5 rockets rapid fire was amazing.Artadius said:
akmcbroom said:
I find that tactic a bit off putting quite honestly. "Hey, if you think we did something wrong here, let us know and we'll fix it later! thnxguyz!" They should have known previously that a trade mechanic is standard. If they couldn't think about something that core, what else did they leave out?
Artadius said:
Am I the only one who thought that didn't look so great? Don't get me wrong, I'm eager to play... but there is a very good chance this game will not be as good as everyone is hoping.
Teknopathetic
Member
"Am I'm the only one who thought that didn't look so great? Don't get me wrong, I'm eager to play... but there is a very good chance this game will not be as good as everyone is hoping."
No, it's not just you. I was on the fence about the game but that made it look horrifically unfun.
No, it's not just you. I was on the fence about the game but that made it look horrifically unfun.
BobFromPikeCreek
Member
Probably because the guy is playing like a retard, running right up to guys and ignoring cover opportunities.
Teknopathetic
Member
"Probably because the guy is playing like a retard, running right up to guys and ignoring cover opportunities."
Nah, even when you account for the usual awful game journalist play it looks terrible. Holding mouse1 over an enemy for 15 seconds who does nothing but stand in the open shooting back at you is not very compelling gameplay.
Nah, even when you account for the usual awful game journalist play it looks terrible. Holding mouse1 over an enemy for 15 seconds who does nothing but stand in the open shooting back at you is not very compelling gameplay.
BobFromPikeCreek said:
Not to mention scoping from like 4 feet away and shooting off the hip from 100 feet.
None of the videos I've seen have shown anyone using much of anything resembling tactics unfortunately. However, the game moves like a quick fps, the aiming seems to be on target and if you can remove the damage numbers, all that much better. I'm very excited to play.
TrAcEr_x90
Member
holy fuck, are you guys serious? Seeing those badass guns looks so sick. I like that theres grenades and explosives around. I would say the best comparison is resistance 2 co op and that was extremely fun. Most of the enemies did just that, just stand there or slightly turning.
modeps said:
I don't think there's any more of one here than any release I've looked forward to. I think the videos have looked great, and make we want to grab the controls from the idiots playing and just own the place. If you haven't enjoyed them, you probably aren't prone to enjoying the game. *shrug*
Teknopathetic
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"holy fuck, are you guys serious? Seeing those badass guns looks so sick. I like that theres grenades and explosives around. I would say the best comparison is resistance 2 co op and that was extremely fun. Most of the enemies did just that, just stand there or slightly turning."
I wouldn't say any similarity to Resistance 2 is a good thing.
I wouldn't say any similarity to Resistance 2 is a good thing.
Philthy
Member
From what I'm seeing the game is basically a shooter Diablo. You're not going to spend your time slinking from rock to rock, you're going to go in and mess everything up within a few seconds, maybe run for cover to take a quick health restore, run back into the thick of it, maybe strafe some mobs across a room. It just looks like frantic unrelenting shooting like Serious Sam, but with loot everywhere.
This is coming from someone who's a huge Diablo II (and the ilk) fan... but I don't want this game to be any more fps than it already is. I think its perfect right there. Folks asking for more AI using complex tactics and degenerating the game into a cover firefight fest are missing the point of loot parade.
I want my lootwhore games (which this game is, you can deny it all you want, but its the key feature and main talking point even from the developers) to be setup so I can quickly run around and kill guys for more loot. I don't want to sit there and play a panzy game of cat an mouse for a minute at a time for each mob that threatens me only to see them drop a piece of crap item. I'd rather kill that one guy and ten of his closest friends in the same amount of time. Let my cup runneth over.
That brings me to my next point that I think its pretty silly that folks are getting worked up about there being no trade mechanic in the game. I can understand being a bit peeved about it simply for ease us use when you trade something to a friend. But, honestly, how often did you trade stuff in Diablo II? I don't know about you guys, but I played (and still play fairly often) co-op Diablo II and I don't honestly have time to sit there after every pack of monsters and discuss the drops and dole it out and trade and shit. This isn't WoW where we roll for loot and equally give stuff out. Get out there, kill shit constantly and pick up loot constantly. While you're sitting there hemming and hawing over some random medium quality gun I'll be halfway to the end of the game farming for legendary drops.
I want my lootwhore games (which this game is, you can deny it all you want, but its the key feature and main talking point even from the developers) to be setup so I can quickly run around and kill guys for more loot. I don't want to sit there and play a panzy game of cat an mouse for a minute at a time for each mob that threatens me only to see them drop a piece of crap item. I'd rather kill that one guy and ten of his closest friends in the same amount of time. Let my cup runneth over.
That brings me to my next point that I think its pretty silly that folks are getting worked up about there being no trade mechanic in the game. I can understand being a bit peeved about it simply for ease us use when you trade something to a friend. But, honestly, how often did you trade stuff in Diablo II? I don't know about you guys, but I played (and still play fairly often) co-op Diablo II and I don't honestly have time to sit there after every pack of monsters and discuss the drops and dole it out and trade and shit. This isn't WoW where we roll for loot and equally give stuff out. Get out there, kill shit constantly and pick up loot constantly. While you're sitting there hemming and hawing over some random medium quality gun I'll be halfway to the end of the game farming for legendary drops.
I'm actually quite excited for this game, even if it turns out to be a little simple. The entire premise of loot whoring + FPS totally works for me. Is there a review embargo on the game? I know on Idle Thumbs they wouldn't talk about it due to a media embargo of some sort that'll end by their next episode.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I need reviews bad. I need to know that this game isn't shit. Because that's what I've been shown.
BobFromPikeCreek
Member
You do the same thing in Diablo. At least this game is open to more strategic gameplay. It's definitely more of an RPG than a shooter.Teknopathetic said:
TurtleSnatcher
Member
I can tell you that Borderlands is Street Dated for the 20th. So it should be in stores for sale on the 20th.Eric WK said:
Teknopathetic
Member
"You do the same thing in Diablo. At least this game is open to more strategic gameplay. It's definitely more of an RPG than a shooter."
Pace definitely seems a lot slower than Diablo and when playing diablo, there's definitely much more to do (ability wise) than hold down a single button. I'd really *like* to like the game and I may end up buying it anyway, but footage is definitely not winning me.
Pace definitely seems a lot slower than Diablo and when playing diablo, there's definitely much more to do (ability wise) than hold down a single button. I'd really *like* to like the game and I may end up buying it anyway, but footage is definitely not winning me.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
Teknopathetic said:
Footage of an RPG style game will always feel a bit slow. But playing it is much more hectic.. I recommend playing it. I can tell you I've had the chance and its much more entertaining then what the videos play it out to be.
EDIT: CliffyB also says buy it..
The character vignettes at IGN are friggin awesome! I haven't seen those yet even though they've been out for over a week. http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/957206/borderlands/videos/borderlands_gmp_brick_92809.html Just let the videos run and you'll catch the vignette all 4 characters.
There's also some new high level vids from 1Up http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/26708
There's also some new high level vids from 1Up http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/26708
Nardonicus
Member
Gameplay vids so far have been awesome. I've been waiting for a shooter with rpg elements for many years, and this appears like it will fill that niche nicely.
I just wish I could get more of a feel for the quest variety and story, and hope there is a good sense of exploration.
Anyone that has played it, is there good variety in the quests and a sense that you are exploring a large and interesting world? I think these are two things that are really important to an rpg.
I just wish I could get more of a feel for the quest variety and story, and hope there is a good sense of exploration.
Anyone that has played it, is there good variety in the quests and a sense that you are exploring a large and interesting world? I think these are two things that are really important to an rpg.
MidnightRider
Banned
OMG I can't wait for this. The day is coming my friends!
NullPointer
Member
Already pre-ordered on the hope that this will be better than Too Human.
I mean, it *has* to be, right? Right?
I mean, it *has* to be, right? Right?
"God's Beard!"
Member
CliffyB said:This game is sweet, I had a fair amount of hands on time during a recent trip to Dallas when I visited Gearbox. Highly recommend picking it up when it comes out, and not just because it uses UE3.
Sorry, I just don't trust the opinions of random internet fanboys.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Resistance 2 hate on Gaf is outrageous and unwarrented.Teknopathetic said: