I don't usually post to complain, but in this case I have to ask: why ban people for having opinions that are, or are considered, offensive? If their opinion is so completely incorrect, why not just ridicule them, and if they argue without sense and just try to generally muck up the thread, ban them at that point? It just seems like it cuts off all discussion and, if their opinion was, in fact, incorrect, you've missed a chance to help someone understand why they are wrong.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Haruna Ai beats out Thailand to become Miss International Queen 2009 (Transsexual)
- Thread starter Inflammable Slinky
- Start date
- Status
Mars said:
I don't pretend to speak for the mods, but there are probably a few reasons. One, these sorts of threads always turn to shit. Two, belittling peoples sexual orientation is a big no-no on GAF. Three, this is pretty much a private forum, and if a mod wants to ban me because he doesn't like my face, I can't say shit.
That being said, I see where you are coming from, but I've seen too many threads in this vein turn to shit, and I guess the mods are tired of it.
Topher said:
This. I wonder what's their problem in the first place? It's not like any of the TGs are going to approach them in the first place anyway. In fact, most people avoid douchebags.
Mars said:
Because GAF does not tolerate homophobic remarks. Some of the people who got banned deserved what's coming to them. And there's no point wasting breath on people who are clearly hellbent on their point. You're not going to convince their side. They need to do growing-up on their own. No one can tell them to.
Kinitari said:
I'd argue that banning people and then making them more angry and more ready to go screw up another one of these threads isn't as helpful as telling them why they are wrong. Also, peoples' opinions on homosexuals are generally vastly more informed than their opinions on transsexuals. Seeing as it's an uncomfortable topic for some people, discussion seems like it would help in this case especially. Obviously you're not going to get everyone to be rational, but yeah, then it's ban hammer time.
Also, it certainly is a private forum, and I am in not necessarily saying anything needs to change. I go here and no other forum for a reason, and it's entirely possible that GAF is in the right on this decision as well. I'm just curious as to the explanation.
semiregular
Neo Member
Blackace said:
Yep, it was funny the first 5 times I watched, but it grew old. I wish she could find something new to say. Most of the time in a variety programme, someone say something to her, she wouldn't know how to react, and have to resort to just laughing.
I like her, she seems to be a nice person, but nice isn't enough on TV.
Shouta
Member
Blackace said:
Well, part of her notoriety is that she's transgendered but she's been able to maintain being on TV based on her personality and ability to talk on camera. Granted, her ability to speak is dependent on the program she's on. I don't think she's been using the shtick, aside from being the brunt of a few jokes, very much lately. At the very least, she hasn't been doing her gag much on TV recently.
Garou said:
Woof, her face looks terrible in that pic. She's usually a lot better looking on TV, probably just the setup. She's been working on the body though, jeez. I recall some of the programs (specifically Oneemans) prodding her about her weight and challenged her to lose weight (which she did).
PhoenixDark
Banned
I'd hit them all, as would most GAFers just admit it
Youta Mottenai
Member
Sadly this isn´t something new here.idahoblue said:
A TG thread seems like a bat-sign for the bigots and, as Replicant said, it´s a waste of breath trying to have any discussion with them.
Data, scientific studies or just some respect towards another person. It doesn´t matter; inevitably you´ll reach a "it´s my opinion and I won´t change it, no matter what" answer.
Fortunately most people here seems to be on this side.idahoblue said:
Mars said:
The people who were banned obviously didn't come in here for discussion or with an open mind. There are always those who come into these threads just to leave a 'clever' insulting remark about an entire group's lives/identities, and to insinuate they're freaks -- even less than human. I'd say that's reason enough.
Blackace said:
Well pretty sure she's going to have to. Ride the wave of the character you've set when you get the big break... But she's gonna have to change soon, else she'll be another one of the one-shot comedians... though...
Shouta said:
Yup... I think she was talkin' with Sanma on one show trying to figure out what to do next, but she couldn't figure anything out... and Sanma agreed because her air aiyaya was so good... *shrug* Maybe this'll help shape some new stuff for her. Probably will.
idahoblue said:
People fear what they don't understand. To be perfectly honest, if my wife were to up and tell me she used to be a man, I would have a visceral reaction for about two minutes, but then I would sit and think about our relationship: 1) physically, she has all the female functioning parts which is what I'm attracted to, 2) I have a GREAT time with her, which includes sexually, and 3) our life hasn't been any more or less complicated than anyone else's because of her gender. I find it kind of dumb that someone would have a complete change of heart even after they've done stuff with the person, enjoyed it, and thought of them as a female. If nothing other than your knowledge of what they were before you met them has changed, how exactly does your relationship change?
Yeah, but it must still suck to be such a target like that.LCGeek said:
Yeah.Youta Mottenai said:Sadly this isn´t something new here.
A TG thread seems like a bat-sign for the bigots and, as Replicant said, it´s a waste of breath trying to have any discussion with them.
Data, scientific studies or just some respect towards another person. It doesn´t matter; inevitably you´ll reach a "it´s my opinion and I won´t change it, no matter what" answer.
Fortunately most people here seems to be on this side.
See, to me the bigger problem would be the lack of honesty. I am pretty diverse in terms of sexual attraction though, so maybe my perspective is kind of weirdAlfarif said:
But even if I wasn't, I would like to think your response would be the one I would have.Anasui Kishibe
Banned
well as they say, hit em before they hit you
Alfarif - I agree with you and I think that's a brave thing to say. On the other hand, if my boyfriend was to suddenly go TG after we've already been together for years, I don't think I could remain in the relationship.
Strangely though, I'm gay and the thought of sex with an attractive transgendered female is somehow really hot to me, whereas with a born female it's not. Even once they've undergone gender reassignment and all that, even though my mind understands they're now female, knowing they were born male somehow still turns me on. Doesn't make sense I know. :lol
Still, I don't think I'm capable of handling the transition happening during a relationship. I'd still be their friend and support them the best I could though.
Strangely though, I'm gay and the thought of sex with an attractive transgendered female is somehow really hot to me, whereas with a born female it's not. Even once they've undergone gender reassignment and all that, even though my mind understands they're now female, knowing they were born male somehow still turns me on. Doesn't make sense I know. :lol
Still, I don't think I'm capable of handling the transition happening during a relationship. I'd still be their friend and support them the best I could though.
idahoblue said:See, to me the bigger problem would be the lack of honesty. I am pretty diverse in terms of sexual attraction though, so maybe my perspective is kind of weird
I could understand that, and that would part of my initial visceral reaction. The thing is, would this be worse than having your partner cheat on you, learning your partner was a porn star at some point during their life, or had a criminal record? I'm not saying that learning your SO is post-op should be compared to any of those things, but all of those can be worked through depending on the person. Couples go through joint therapy all the time to work through problems in their relationship. I think if you love someone, and you really enjoy spending time with them, this will end up outweighing everything else.
xelios said:
If my wife were to go the other way and tell me she wanted to physically become male, I would completely support her but, unfortunately, as the "gender" I am, I find females attractive. Just as you said, I would support her and we would continue being friends, best friends as far as I'm concerned, but I am into what, at least physically, leans heavily towards the feminine.
Jamesfrom818
Banned
Garou said:
Weird boobs. Looks uneven. Also, is that camel toe a result of tucking or did she actually have that big of a vag after surgery.
Jet Grind Radio!
Banned
Well, she's standing in a contrapposto position, so one shoulder is up and the other is down. Thus odd boob placement.Jamesfrom818 said:
Big <3 to TG/TV/CD GAF. Not every straight white male foams at the mouth when greeted by your good selves. I had a TV friend pass on recently and even after 45 years on this earth she was still struggling with her identity. Some of us know what you go through.
Just wanted to drop in and try to offer a counterpoint to the knobs on the first page.
Just wanted to drop in and try to offer a counterpoint to the knobs on the first page.
ajim
Member
Absolutely love Transsexuals. More so than genetic girls.
stealth edit: I would also like to say that my favorite lady boy is 'Eye', she's absolutely amazing looking, and a great personality. Many of the LBs working in Thailand are better than the girls in this pageant. And generally, they're all lovely girls.
Tgirls <3
stealth edit: I would also like to say that my favorite lady boy is 'Eye', she's absolutely amazing looking, and a great personality. Many of the LBs working in Thailand are better than the girls in this pageant. And generally, they're all lovely girls.
Tgirls <3
One time in Bangkok I made eye contact with a huge Ru Paul lookalike ladyboy. He was taller than me, with incredible legs. I thought 'Fuck it.. you only live once.' and asked him back to my room. Actually he was very forceful so it didn't take much convincing.
Problem was, I couldn't go through with it once we were alone, so we just sat around and ordered some room service and watched bad Thai TV dramas for an hour or so. FML.
Problem was, I couldn't go through with it once we were alone, so we just sat around and ordered some room service and watched bad Thai TV dramas for an hour or so. FML.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
I wonder if this win will make trannies the new weeabo cause celebre.
So what is up with transexuals and Thailand? Why there are so many in there?
Edit: After thinking about it, maybe is not that they are so many but they got much wider recognition on TV and such. Still, seems like there are more.
And much better than in other parts of the world, Nong Poy Threechada damnnnn
Edit: After thinking about it, maybe is not that they are so many but they got much wider recognition on TV and such. Still, seems like there are more.
And much better than in other parts of the world, Nong Poy Threechada damnnnn
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
In Thailand, they are very accepting of transsexuals.
Mainly due to the type of Buddhism they practice.
They just believe a transsexual is a woman who was reincarnated into a male body.
Mainly due to the type of Buddhism they practice.
They just believe a transsexual is a woman who was reincarnated into a male body.
Blackace said:
That Japanprobe article makes it sound more like there was an uproar because the woman is half-Japanese, spent most of her time in Japan, and Japanese is her first language, so she was being accepted more like a "full" Japanese by most people, and calling a Japanese person a "gaijin" is well...like what happened in the story you wrote. Would there have been as much of an uproar if she was a 100% non-Japanese foreigner?
SnakeswithLasers
Member
xelios said:
It's funny that the reverse of this statement will be ridiculed around here as being bigoted, unenlightened, and unfair; but stating it this way is fine and dandy.
Strangely though, I'm straight and the thought of sex with an attractive transgendered female is somehow really off-putting to me, whereas with a born female it's not. Even once they've undergone gender reassignment and all that, even though my mind understands they're now female, knowing they were born male somehow still turns me off. Doesn't make sense I know.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I dunno about some of you, but I'd rather bang Haruna Ai than Buck Angel.
RiskyChris
Banned
SnakeswithLasers said:
I think both statements are pretty fair points of view for anyone to hold, though for the straight guy I'd definitely probe a little more (=3) to figure out if he wouldn't change his mind.
SnakeswithLasers said:
A lot of people are not attracted to someone just from knowing they're transgendered alone. It happens to not bother me if someone is TG. I don't really see anything bigoted about you saying what you said; it's personal preference.
Attacking them or acting like they're not human is another story, and I think that's what is ridiculed. Coming in and simply saying, "Ew," or, "Gross," or that being TG is, "Just wrong," proves you're just here to hate and contributes nothing to the discussion. I don't see anything offensive about the way you, or I, put the above statement.
Jamesfrom818
Banned
SnakeswithLasers said:
But you can blow your load in her without any pregnancy worries!
SnakeswithLasers
Member
xelios said:
Maybe I'm just stretching my argument too thin here--but I think what I said would naturally follow that someone should tell you prior to sex if they are transgendered. I seem to recall that in one of our previous threads about this, that this "requirement" was considered bullshit by a lot of folks in the thread.
Personally, I think it falls under courtesy; the same sort of courtesy that should be afforded to call these people by the gender they identify as, even if you don't understand why they do it.
(Frankly, I'd prefer to not sleep with a TG person, but if I found out afterward, I think I'd be weirded out, but I wouldn't throw myself off a bridge or anything rash. Hell, maybe I'd find a whole new worldview.)
I think men get threatened by transexuals because let's face it: a general fear of many straight men is being "tricked" into dating a woman that really was once a man.
While I have no problem with the lifestyle, I've got to say that wheneve I've seen a crossdresser it's been kind of strange. Mainly because you could tell in a split second that it was a dude in a dress. I always wondered if wearing this type of clothing actually makes anyone feel better, cuz it seems like it would do the opposite: put a spotlight on you and demand unwanted attention
While I have no problem with the lifestyle, I've got to say that wheneve I've seen a crossdresser it's been kind of strange. Mainly because you could tell in a split second that it was a dude in a dress. I always wondered if wearing this type of clothing actually makes anyone feel better, cuz it seems like it would do the opposite: put a spotlight on you and demand unwanted attention
6-12 months ago nobody in this thread would have been banned, I consider this great progress for GAF and the social landscape in general.
To transgaf (we are growing in numbers seemingly everyday) How do you feel about the term T-Girl? Is it entering into 'tranny' territory where it can be used affectionately or in a derogatory manner?
BTW mods, is it at all possible to have my screen name altered?
To transgaf (we are growing in numbers seemingly everyday) How do you feel about the term T-Girl? Is it entering into 'tranny' territory where it can be used affectionately or in a derogatory manner?
BTW mods, is it at all possible to have my screen name altered?
ajim
Member
I can kind of answer that with anectdotal 'evidence' (not being a ts myself), but, I'm friends with quite a few TS in and around Melbourne and many of them are fine and use the terms 'Shemale', 'Tgirl', 'Chick with dick' etc without a second thought. I think, with awareness being raised and transsexualism becoming more popular and accepted words like this won't really have such a negative impact as they once would have in the past.lockii said:
But, great to see a few more people here on gaf with spreading the TS love <3
RiskyChris
Banned
I'm sorry but I just don't envision a state of society where "chicks with dicks" isn't just horrible.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
RiskyChris said:
I find pre-op transgenders far less distasteful and offensive than Japanophiles. I know, I bother to use a very neutral term for trannies, and then use Japanophiles. But fuck if I'm going to say something like Oriental Aspirational Connoisseurs, damn weeaboos.
crazy monkey
Banned
confusion confusion :lol
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Blackace said:
Meh, chances are he wasn't very remarkable as a person before the operation; and the operation sort of defines her being now. She should go join the Amanoja 9 and make interesting manga or something.
- Status