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Werewolf |OT| Was it all just a Dream?
- Thread starter Palmer_v1
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Bad play all around. True / false irrelevant to alignment. Would rather not get sidetracked on it day one.
You didn't actually make a guess here. These are all the possibilities.
So which do you guess
I'm dumb, of course you meant lynching one of them, I think it's too soon to determine that though, as you said more suspect might and probably will come up in the future.
CornBurrito
Member
I'm fine with this if nothing better comes up.
I'd say to vote Xam.
My reasoning is this: Ultron was the first to claim sleepwalker.
Xam then solidified the sleepwalker claim.
If Ultron is scum and Xam town, that means the same role was given to each faction. But that seems to me a bit less likely than town getting two sleepwalkers.
If Ultron is town and Xam is scum, he boosts Ultron's claim and then makes it sound like he is sleepwalker. This is a bit of a risky gambit though. At best he gets suspicion off him, but at worst mafia loses a member D1.
I'm inclined to believe they are both town. The gambit isn't worthwhile for mafia in my opinion. But if it is a gambit, Xam is the scum of the two.
Septimus Prime
Member
What if one of them was neutral, like a Serial Killer? Then he'd be able to move around and target people at his whimsy.
Xam played a pretty impressive gambit, though, I think. By saying that ultron basically posted their role PM verbatim, as long as ultron doesn't up and say that his role PM doesn't actually say that, it lends credence to them both having the same role feature, at the very least.
CornBurrito
Member
Why did you ask for Czar's opinion specifically? Trying to butter up someone you know to be town, and who has a record of gaining town's trust?
Or are you both scum?
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Some thoughts so far:
I'm hesitant to believe the insta-claims, but I doubt it will impact proceedings right now so I won't harp on it. Big thing is that both happened rather quickly at the same time. Not saying they're both wolf's or anything like that, but it is odd.
VOTE: *Splinter
Because you didn't want any RNG votes. And yes, I am aware of Cabot's vote.
I'm hesitant to believe the insta-claims, but I doubt it will impact proceedings right now so I won't harp on it. Big thing is that both happened rather quickly at the same time. Not saying they're both wolf's or anything like that, but it is odd.
VOTE: *Splinter
Because you didn't want any RNG votes. And yes, I am aware of Cabot's vote.
GreatLord Tiger
Member
We're cool for now style. I won't bully you like some others did last game. All I will say is to trust your reads because going by last game they were pretty good.
It's actually quite impressive, even if one is neutral and the other a wolf and they're both lying, there's no way Ultron could disprove Xam's claim, he might know the other player is lying, but he can't tell anyone without compromising himself.
CornBurrito
Member
Not that it is worth much, but Cabot isn't striking me as scum this game like he did last game.
CornBurrito
Member
Oh god that'd be so f'ing hot.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Possible scenario that I don't necessarily believe:
ultron, or one of his scum buddies, has reason to believe there is a sleepwalker about. ultron "claims," hoping to draw them out in a moment of false camaraderie. Xam takes the bait.
Just something to keep in mind.
ultron, or one of his scum buddies, has reason to believe there is a sleepwalker about. ultron "claims," hoping to draw them out in a moment of false camaraderie. Xam takes the bait.
Just something to keep in mind.
My initial reaction to both roleclaims is suspicion, but I doubt mafia would either outright come forward with a roleclaim out of the gate, or follow up a legitimate town roleclaim with a duplicate one. I'll have to do some thinking to see if either actions make sense in some way for scum in retrospective but right now I don't see it.
And I dislike "meta" arguments , but I can't help but think unlikely that 2 scum players could come up with some crazy duplicate-role gambit between the time the role PMs were sent and the game actually started, so I don't think that can be the case.
And I dislike "meta" arguments , but I can't help but think unlikely that 2 scum players could come up with some crazy duplicate-role gambit between the time the role PMs were sent and the game actually started, so I don't think that can be the case.
well isn't that just dandy.
I'd like batsnacks to weigh in on that double claim, I feel he offers good insight when we go onto the nuts and bolts of a mafia game.
Nice to see MattyG kicking off bright and early.
Xamtheking
Member
What's your favorite drink to get from the barkeep?
Lollipop Dave
Member
I know exactly how to solve this dilemma.
Xam, what do you think of marmite on toast?
Xam, what do you think of marmite on toast?
Xamtheking
Member
Why would I put a cooking container on a piece of bread?
(I am a filthly american who hasn't had marmite)
Lollipop Dave
Member
Lynch Xam.
You really think this? In the scenario that one is wolf and the other village, i would have thought the opposite. Ultron claims first (he could be a wolf/neutral PR who wants an excuse if he's seen at night). So maybe Ultron's intention was to see if a real sleep walker would also claim. Xam's reaction felt very genuine, i doubt he's lying.
This sort of play feels really ridiculous though.
At this point, I'm willing to believe both of them, even if i think their power had been reduced by claiming.
What did you think of his claim? Did you expect it?
Good idea. I'll say this though: I volunteer as tribute.
That seems far too clever for little pay off.
I'm going to punt it out of my mind, now.
Palmer can you add Rule #56: No backdoor D1 alliancing, please.
I'd hate you if you weren't Bigby, swamped.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Yeah, I agree. For now I'm taking it at face value, but the way the whole thing played out feels off to me.
CrimsonFist
Member
I have no strong opinions on Marmite
CrimsonFist
Member
The sleepwalker claims are bugging me a bit, despite my earlier comment, but seeing as I can't figure out a reasonable scenario where they benefit from it if they're lying, I guess it's worth just putting to one side for now.
The only thing I can think of that I don't think has been brought up yet, is that Xam has some sort of other power role that benefits from claiming.
The only thing I can think of that I don't think has been brought up yet, is that Xam has some sort of other power role that benefits from claiming.
This is quite a strange read of the situation, especially when I literally asked Darryl how to play mafia before this.
I will ask many people questions to see how they respond*. I asked Tim this particular question to see if he'd complain about Ultron apparently quoting his role pm. He didn't, which isn't a huge deal but is also not what I had predicted for him.
*inb4 Swamped votes me for not being scummy enough
Septimus Prime
Member
Suppose one of them is a wolf who is not a sleepwalker--or even is, I guess, since I'm not sure it makes a difference either way--but fake claimed the role so that a tracker would zero onto him to verify his claim while his wolf buddy moves around.
If this is the case, though, I'd be inclined to say that Xam is more likely than ultron to do this, since he played that bit about ultron posting the words from his role PM.
ohhh or what if Ultron is mafia making up a false claim because he's full of boldness. And then Xam is a bold neutral who tries to copy.
and I'm actually the fifth sleepwalker in this game.
Could you elaborate on this?
Xamtheking
Member
Literally everyone in the game is a sleepwalker
It's only been 80 minutes and he's posted multiple times since day start. I think you're jumping the gun too early, like a kangaroo.
Would you prefer kangaroo to parrot?
CrimsonFist
Member
And you haven't been?
Septimus Prime
Member
I was too busy complaining about it in the mafia chat.
CrimsonFist
Member
I'm Spartacus
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Oh yeah this started
I am very tired
I will post tomorrow
For now hello and goodnight
I am very tired
I will post tomorrow
For now hello and goodnight
CornBurrito
Member
You don't think it would require a bit of absurd luck for Ultron to false claim a role and happen to have the role be in the game on town side? And for him to use wording such that the town sleepwalker absolutely believes the false claim?