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Vive was delayed because of "a very, very big technological breakthrough"
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You're correct to doubt.
Wireless really is out of the door for quite a while, though I can think of one possible candidate, it don't think it is foolproof. Take it from somebody that works with wireless devices all the time.
So always late and never hits the time you want ;P
TerryLee81
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It will connect to a fleshlight
I would be interested in any elaboration upon this candidate that you might be willing to share.
stan423321
Member
Random thing that comes to mind is improved primary motion tracking. No sources nor bases, just randomness.
Zepp Twofist
Member
Damn. I'm going to have to end up buying both this and Oculus in the end. It's only money I guess.
I want to believe... but if I had to guess, yeah:
I would be interested in any elaboration upon this candidate that you might be willing to share.
Li-Fi would be super cool. Tracking needs visual contact anyway so it should be feasible.
Better ergonomics? What could they possibly design, prototype and implement in a timely manner to both get into the consumer headset and if it requires any sort of developer attention, get out to devs in time for them to actually use said breakthrough? It seems more like positioning from the marketing team rather than just saying it's not ready yet and the late 2015 date was a mistake.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Hey, sometimes you need to deal with a few thousand corpses for the sake of progress!
I would be interested in any elaboration upon this candidate that you might be willing to share.
This is just speculation on my part. But I imagine 60Ghz UWB radios could potentially yield some results, maybe.
For a current headset, you would need a transfer rate of 2560 x 1440 x 90fps x 24bpp. This yields a data rate of approximately 8Gbps just for image data. In the next Wifi standard they're going to be integrating such radios but those only have a maximum throughput of 4.6Gbps.
Now we are also ignoring the fact that these tests are done in laboratory conditions, we are ignoring sound data (and positional data though that is extremely low bandwidth). Performing any compression or encapsulation of packet data will inevitably yield more latency and there can be no retransmissions or dropped frames.
So as I said, very doubtful, but this is the only possible candidate. It should be noted that my previous assessment was based on the fact that I was under the impression that current standards had a higher throughput. Calculating the numbers makes one considerably less optimistic. This isn't even considering that future headsets will increase in resolution. Who knows somebody may still think of something?
e: looking up the bandwidth provided by display port at 1440p @60Hz is approximately 5.8Gbps.
I'm all for that
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see you in about 20-30 years then
(i remember watching an oculus keynote or something that said this would take awhile)
They had pictures of the newer DK2 that "leaked" from their website the other day - although they could all be a part of a cunning ruse. The DK2 appears smaller than the original but it's no exactly easy to tell the scale of it.
Graphics Horse
Member
Optical maybe? Idk what kind of bandwidth you can get with that but it was something I was wondering.
I don't think it's possible to introduce any kind of wireless version at the last minute, you'd need to change too much. Expect it to be visor camera/sensors related.
Optics are just EM, just like what one calls wireless. If you're going to go with a waveguide, there is fiber, which kind of defeats the purpose.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Are they getting George R.R. Martin to talk it up now?
Thanks for the response. It's nice to know possibilities exist, even if they aren't foolproof. A wireless solution would really make the VR experience so much better.
If they get foveated rendering to work, VR will have better graphics than "classic" renderings. Foveated rendering fits perfectly to a VR setup.
I'm assuming the breakthrough is wireless headset tech, though, maybe using Terrahertz waves? Expecting Vive to ship by the end of 2016 and brain tumors by the end of 2024.
Check my edit. My calculation has some faulty assumptions.
Still out of reach, but not nearly as far as based on my original calculation.
Dreamwriter
Member
Suction cups to hold the lighthouses to your walls rather than requiring permanent mounting like the dev kits have
Pretty much. If it came from Valve I'd at least be a bit more inclined to believe them, but HTC are much more dubious, so I expect overzealous marketing speak. Would be nice if it is genuine though
Prevolition
Member
This, please.
backbreaker65
Banned
SoftKinectic already doing this without a glove or controller. Sony aquired them in Oct.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R53lEQq02wg
You might be on to something here. May be that's why the new leaked controllers have that half moon design like the oculus touch?
Danlord
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Well Sony has a 4K screen for their Xperia Z5 Premiun phone so I'm wondering if they've sourced similar screens or even that particular screen. Sony works with sourcing their camera sensors to Apple and Samsung so I don't see why they wouldn't do similar thing with their screen tech to HTC even though they're competitors.
I'm going to go with upgrade in screen tech. If they've not got 4K screen then I think they've increased the fps of their existing screens.
I'm going to go with upgrade in screen tech. If they've not got 4K screen then I think they've increased the fps of their existing screens.
BigTnaples
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That is pretty awesome, although the limitation here is if your hand dropped out of view, you would lose whatever you were doing.
So for instance in the Vive Glove demo, he can hold something to the side, or say drop a gun to his side, and the game could still track that he has it in his hand. Where as here, in this case, it would "drop".
Adry9
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brb calling NASA for a new PC
NumberThree
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You just had it as Tbps instead of the actual Gbps, otherwise it checks out.
There are demos reaching almost 20Gbps bandwidth with wireless transmission, but of course that's a very controlled scenario and not even close to a realized product.
Come on. You only need like 6 Titan X for that!
Auto-Reply
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It's probably adaptive pricing!
BlackRainbowFT
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it's the power of the cloud.
These are for longer distances, multiple users and are not in ISM frequencies. The advantages of 60Ghz is that it is extremely short distance, line of sight and ISM thus creating better wireless conditions for something like a consumer wireless VR headset. The cost of something like this must be staggering.
Check my edit. My calculation has some faulty assumptions.
Still out of reach, but not nearly as far as based on my original calculation.
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Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
I had a lot of Wang jokes typed out and then deleted the whole thing out of shame. Still though.
Eye tracking would be cool... but is that really a Very big tech breakthrough?... it would be sweet if they had something on the outer case that could track your hands/arms so you didn't need any devices in your hands to do stuff in the VR...
Eye tracking would be cool... but is that really a Very big tech breakthrough?... it would be sweet if they had something on the outer case that could track your hands/arms so you didn't need any devices in your hands to do stuff in the VR...
Yes, it is years away though.