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Pokémon Red, Blue and Yellow on VC will not support the Restore Point Feature.

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BY2K

Membero Americo
http://www.serebii.net/news/2016/19-January-2016.shtml

The manual for the upcoming Virtual Console releases of Pokémon Green, Red, Blue and Yellow has gone online and has provided a very interesting bit of information. For the Nintendo 3DS and Wii U Virtual Console games, there's an option for you to use Restore Points in the VC menu on the touch screen so you can save a position in a game and return to it afterwards in case you make a mistake. However, it is now confirmed that Pokémon Red, Green, Blue and Yellow are unable to utilise the Restore Point feature of the Virtual Console, as well as being unable to use the 3DS's built in save backup feature.
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Now before anyone panics, this is most likely done because of the wireless Trading and Battles so you don't create Restore Points during one. Probably also to prevent cloning.
 
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wiibomb

Member
awww.. that's sad for me, I mean, in present games I understand it, but the old games seems a little bothersome.

in any case I understand why, the nature of the pokemon games have always been to have your own unique partners and that's why they decided to disable all this in case of cloning methods.

backlot said:
It's wireless battles and trading, not WiFi.
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yup, this too.. they never said they added anything about wi-fi
 
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JoeM86

Member
SheepyGuy said:
Maybe these will work with Pokemon Bank then...
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Not a chance.

The internal structure for the Pokémon is wildly different. Not just in IVs but EVs. For example, there was no EV cap for Pokémon in the game and each Pokémon could get up to 65,535 Effort Values in a single stat.

Transferring just wouldn't work.
 
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wiibomb

Member
Drop said:
This is what gets me, I really hoped they would implement wi-fi :(
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that would need them to make a full implementation of a waiting hall and matchmaking over the internet, that is a whole new level of programming.

not even counting that they most probably would need to touch the original games, which they will never do.
 
Velcro Fly

Velcro Fly

Member
maintaining that pokemon integrity even on games as old as these VC releases

don't care though the gen 1 games are easy enough.
 
entremet

entremet

Member
How will Americans and other regions get Mews legitimately?

There is a glitch, but I want an authentic Mew dammit lol.

JoeM86 said:
Not a chance.

The internal structure for the Pokémon is wildly different. Not just in IVs but EVs. For example, there was no EV cap for Pokémon in the game and each Pokémon could get up to 65,535 Effort Values in a single stat.

Transferring just wouldn't work.
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What if they just randomize the stats of the Pokemon once you upload it. Gen I didn't have natures anyway.
 
B

BY2K

Membero Americo
JoeM86 said:
Not a chance.

The internal structure for the Pokémon is wildly different. Not just in IVs but EVs. For example, there was no EV cap for Pokémon in the game and each Pokémon could get up to 65,535 Effort Values in a single stat.

Transferring just wouldn't work.
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That and Gen 1 Pokémon have Special Attack and Defense combined as one.
 
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Mr-Joker

Banned
Drop said:
This is what gets me, I really hoped they would implement wi-fi :(
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Would require them to go into the game coding so it can be set up for Wi-Fi trading.

SheepyGuy said:
Maybe these will work with Pokemon Bank then...
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Nope, the gen 1 and 2 Pokémon are incompatible with the later gen as gen 3 completely overhauled the IV system and capped EV.

Beren the Empty-Handed said:
I just want to throw level 180 Missingno and Mewtwo at my friends. If I can do that, I'm happy.
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I would be very surprised if they leave the Missingno glitch in.
 
Cute Dragon Here

Cute Dragon Here

Member
chaobreaker said:
Dang, they're really going all out on these VC rereleases. Maybe GF will actually scrub out all the glitches and bugs as well?
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They probably won't... I guess most of the work being done is on the emulator side, so the ROM content likely remains intact for the most part.

L Thammy said:
But can you turn off your 3DS after you send your Pokemon to your friend?
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The 3DS doesn't turn off immediately, so I don't know what might actually happen.
 
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PumpkinSpice

Banned
BY2K said:
That and Gen 1 Pokémon have Special Attack and Defense combined as one.
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They already mapped that out in the transfer from Gen1 to Gen2.

NormalFish said:
Too clunky to convert DVs to IVs among other inconsistencies.
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They could make it happen. I managed to transfer Pokemon from my most recent playthrough of Red to Bank by backing up the save, using some conversion utilities, stuffing them onto my Black 2 save, and then PokeTransporter-ing. It's not really impossible.

The conversion isn't perfect but I don't really mind. The main thing I want is my party still available forever on Bank.
 
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chaobreaker

Member
Noivern said:
They probably won't... I guess most of the work being done is on the emulator side, so the ROM content likely remains intact for the most part
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There must be some rom hacking involved to allow wireless trading.

Now that I thinking about this, they might censor the casino building and all references to gambling . Those whip wielding trainers might get editted as well. Gen 1 was pretty violent.
 
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Drop

Member
wiibomb said:
that would need them to make a full implementation of a waiting hall and matchmaking over the internet, that is a whole new level of programming.

not even counting that they most probably would need to touch the original games, which they will never do.
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Yeah, I'm not saying that I expected it, I know it was extremely unlikely but I was still somehow hoping for it.
 
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JoeM86

Member
BY2K said:
Them fixing the Missingno clitch would actually piss me off.
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I don't think it'll be "fixed", but it may not work as it did and could even crash the game out due to this being emulated on the 3DS rather than natively played, since how the VC works.

L Thammy said:
What is a Pokemon, really? Is it stats and moves? If so, then is it the same Pokemon when it evolves or levels up?
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A Pokémon, much like a human, is a sum of its parts (IVs) and experience (EVs).
 
entremet

entremet

Member
chaobreaker said:
There must be some rom hacking involved to allow wireless trading.

Now that I thinking about this, they might censor the casino building and all references to gambling . Those whip wielding trainers might get editted as well. Gen 1 was pretty violent.
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Why did that happen?

Make believe gambling is bad lol?
 
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wiibomb

Member
darthbob said:
Wish they'd release Green in the U.S.

Love those ugly ass sprites.
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wait a second.. I know very little of the original games, but did the sprites were different from red/blue? only green has those sprites??

Drop said:
Yeah, I'm not saying that I expected it, I know it was extremely unlikely but I was still somehow hoping for it.
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yeah, I would totally pay a lot more than $10 for a feature like that, but that is almost impossible
 
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Ridley327

Member
It doesn't support the manual restore feature, but can you still shut the game down and resume from that point? That's an automatic feature AFAIK, and that doesn't seem like it's clarified in the instructions.
 
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Ridley327

Member
wiibomb said:
wait a second.. I know very little of the original games, but did the sprites were different from red/blue? only green has those sprites??
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Actually, the Japanese red has those sprites, too. The red that the rest of the world got is actually different from that version.
 
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Shiggy

Member
Some users argued that these VC specific features were the reason for why Nintendo does not want to offer GBA and DS games on 3DS VC. So much bullshit.
 
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Drop

Member
wiibomb said:
wait a second.. I know very little of the original games, but did the sprites were different from red/blue? only green has those sprites??



yeah, I would totally pay a lot more than $10 for a feature like that, but that is almost impossible
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I believe japanese red and green are the only versions with those sprites, all the releases in the west had the sprites from the japanese blue version.
 
entremet

entremet

Member
wiibomb said:
wait a second.. I know very little of the original games, but did the sprites were different from red/blue? only green has those sprites??



yeah, I would totally pay a lot more than $10 for a feature like that, but that is almost impossible
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Those were the first game boy Pokemon games. Only released in Japan. Red and Green.

The international versions are based on Pokemon Blue, which uses the sprites we are used to.

Later Yellow came out and revamped the sprites again to match the anime.
 
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Berordn

Member
SheepyGuy said:
They already mapped that out in the transfer from Gen1 to Gen2.
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But that broke in the data structure rewrite from Gen 2 to Gen 3 which split special into two IVs, whereas in Gen 2 they just split the stat in two and kept a single IV.

There's ways they could make it work for sure, there's just little reason to expect them to because of how many quirks they'd have to work around and how awkward the conversion would be.
 
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