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So, 37 million PS4 shipped and 13 million xbone shipped. Close enough.
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AMD: PS4 and XB1 shipped over 50 million
- Thread starter Ryng_tolu
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StrongBlackVine
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I'm not good with math. Does this mean Xbox is doomed again?
ninjablade
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I think this info deserves a new thread. People keep ignoring the crucial info. As if they secretly hoping the xbox1 is doing worse then it really is.
Welfare
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It all belongs in this thread seeing as AMD reported it. You could ask a mod to add it to the title.
ninjablade
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I agree this belongs in this thread but this info is actually more important then the thread title.
ethomaz
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Sony shipment is around 1-1.5m over what they sold.
PS4 ~37m shipped.
Now about Xbone I'm having a really hard time to believe they shipped over 20m... so I will stay conservative here:
Xbone ~19m shipped.
PS4 ~37m shipped.
Now about Xbone I'm having a really hard time to believe they shipped over 20m... so I will stay conservative here:
Xbone ~19m shipped.
How do you get 38.8m? PS3 and 360 have different timeframes and PS3 wasn't AMD.
We need to know what AMD means with same time frame... 360 and PS3 had different times.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
So shipped you're probably looking at 38/PS4 and 20/Xbox
So sell through about 36.5/18?
So sell through about 36.5/18?
Welfare
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They are comparing shipments from MS/Sony to retailers, and it has to be from 2005-2007 for the 360 and 2006-2008 for the PS3 or else their comment on >50 million shipped and ~20 million more than the 360+PS3 would not corroborate.
ethomaz
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January 29, 2016 is the date for Sony Earnings.
We will knows how many PS4 shipped as of Dec 31, 2015.
We will knows how many PS4 shipped as of Dec 31, 2015.
So it is not the same timeframe... just look weird.
Welfare
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It's always going to be like that when comparing the XB1+PS4 to the 360+PS3 or else you are excluding a year from the PS3.
More than 7 million at the least.
ethomaz
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Edit - I'm getting all numbers off... I will check again.
360 shipment as of end of 2007: 17.7m
PS3 shipment as of end of 2008: 21.3m
Total: 39m
Edit - I guess the numbers are correct now.
We did buy AMD stocks during the winter of 2013 right after the PS4/X1 launched but landed up selling them after stagnant performance but i some times wonder if it would of been better to be patient and keep our AMD stock shares.
Edit- My mistake, we bought them a month "before" they new console launch and kept them for about 8 months before selling.
Primethius
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Doesn't really seem to tell us much we didn't already know.
bitbydeath
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That sounds a bit too high for 2nd and 3rd territory regions.
Also noticed you added Canada numbers which are part of NPD according to NPD_muclair
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=192258563
Welfare
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NPD tracks Canada, but they are not included in the US specific reports, which is what the threads are about. The US portion of NA.
Also why does 7 million sound high? You have to factor in 24 months of sales data that are missing from 8 tier 1 countries, all of 2015 for France, the last 9 months of 2015 for Germany, and 16 months of 29 unaccounted tier 2 countries.
That WW ratio is almost as high as the 360, which is impossible based on the numbers we have.
ethomaz
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US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
These are the 4 regions tracked by NPD.
BTW 1.1m for Cananda looks a bit optimistic to be fair.
Welfare
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11m:7m is 57:43. 360 was 50:50 US:ROTW, and the Original Xbox was 60:40.
What numbers show that is impossible?
Eh, I look at it like an upper limit. It's going to be between ~900k and ~1.1m
Considering the abysmal performance in Europe & Japan where 360 got most of its RotW sales from, I'm inclined to believe that 40% of the sales being RotW is impossible.
Welfare
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So a worse ratio than the Original Shooterbox? I find that extremely hard to believe.
It certainly wasn't 2 years post-laumch (through 2007).
17.7M shipped WW vs 9.15M sold in the US only.
And the 360 launched in the entire eurozone straight away, not almost a year later.
To much shipment for PS4. PS4 has really good sold trought/shipment ratio unlike Xbone.
The original Xbox didn't sell well, the ratio there is easily skewed.
ethomaz
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How many countries original Xbox launched?
Welfare
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9.12m
Not counting potential amount of units in stock (>1m) that would be ~55:45.
Still not seeing how the Xbox One would have over 60% of its sales coming from the US as of 2015 when the ratio was ~60:40 when only comparing 12 other countries in the ROTW. Adding almost 30 more countries increases to the ratio in the US's favor? :/
That makes no sense. Where did it not sell well for the US:ROTW to only be 60:40? Are you assuming the US, because it did 14.5m units there.
Only finding regions, and those were (including sold (doesn't identify whether sold through or shipped)numbers as May 10, 2006) NA (16 million) Europe (6 million) and Asia+Pacific [Australia+New Zealand] (2 million).
ethomaz
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How many countries original Xbox launched?
BTW 360 sold in a lot more countries to reach that 50:50 unlike Xbone.
9.12m
Not counting potential amount of units in stock (>1m) that would be ~55:45.
Still not seeing how the Xbox One would have over 60% of its sales coming from the US as of 2015 when the ratio was ~60:40 when only comparing 12 other countries in the ROTW. Adding almost 30 more countries increases to the ratio in the US's favor? :/
Because sales at best kept the same pace in some countries, and slowed down in several others compared to the US.
Most of these 30+ countries are completely insignificant compared to the US too. I mean just look at sales in Japan.
ethomaz
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Just a little more to think at the same time frame...
US: Xbone > 360 by 2m?
UK: Xbone > 360 by ~500k
JP: 360 > Xbone
Others Know EU countries sales: 360 > Xbone
It is a bit hard to believe Xbone did 50:50 like 360 when it sold well better in US and worst in most know EU countries plus Japan.
US: Xbone > 360 by 2m?
UK: Xbone > 360 by ~500k
JP: 360 > Xbone
Others Know EU countries sales: 360 > Xbone
It is a bit hard to believe Xbone did 50:50 like 360 when it sold well better in US and worst in most know EU countries plus Japan.
Welfare
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Japan has not been an indicator for how well an Xbox console does in countries that are not the US/Major Euro countries. It accounted for less than 2% for both the Xbox and 360, and retailers in Japan have basically given up on the brand now, so it's no wonder it's doing so bad in Japan right now. Not a lot of retailers even stocked the system at launch.
Who is saying anything about it being 50:50? It's not something unrealistic like 70:30 either.
ethomaz
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I don't believe 70:30 too lol
bitbydeath
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You might be right but I didn't expect RotW to be that close to US numbers.
serversurfer
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US had a 61% share of Tier 1 coming out of the launch quarter. UK is easily Bone's strongest non-US market, but it seems to have fallen behind the US pace. We don't have recent data from the rest of Tier 1, but around the end of 2014, they were already behind the US. (UK was actually well ahead in late 2014, but has dropped off pretty dramatically since.) So US share of Tier 1 is certain to be up from 61% by some amount. Probably at least a couple of points given even UK appears down, but more than four would be a pretty large shift. 3% seems like a safe bet.
Tier 2 includes a fair number of countries, but we only have numbers out of Japan (65k) and China (71k in April). So those two have probably combined for less than 150k, and they probably represent the bulk of the Tier 2 sales, in much the same way US/UK make up the majority of Tier 1. With <150k for those two, at least 250k total for Tier 2 seems like a safe bet. Seems unlikely to be more than 500k though.
So, greener seems the more reasonable guesses based on the data we've seen, but take your pick, I suppose.
As a very lax sanity check, it seems like most or all of the green totals are something which someone with zero accountability and a presumably non-zero interest in making MS look good might describe to a journalist as "around 18 million." Probably also noteworthy that, "more than 18 million" wasn't used in that leak; a leak like that would more likely be generous than conservative.
Tier 2 includes a fair number of countries, but we only have numbers out of Japan (65k) and China (71k in April). So those two have probably combined for less than 150k, and they probably represent the bulk of the Tier 2 sales, in much the same way US/UK make up the majority of Tier 1. With <150k for those two, at least 250k total for Tier 2 seems like a safe bet. Seems unlikely to be more than 500k though.
So, greener seems the more reasonable guesses based on the data we've seen, but take your pick, I suppose.
As a very lax sanity check, it seems like most or all of the green totals are something which someone with zero accountability and a presumably non-zero interest in making MS look good might describe to a journalist as "around 18 million." Probably also noteworthy that, "more than 18 million" wasn't used in that leak; a leak like that would more likely be generous than conservative.
Do we know the innards of the PSVR breakout box? What if AMD has a chip in there? Friend of mine just had this idea.
78,000 by June 2015.
I'm not seeing any shocking revelations in the OP. What am I missing here?
Welfare
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Could you link me that?
Welfare
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Thank you!