MisterHero
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Sega's supposedly retired fanguard still want to be cooler than the NintendorksEmCeeGramr said:
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Sega: Sonic redesigned to appeal to Mario fans
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lol
ThatObviousUser
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andymcc said:
Indeed I was.
CurseoftheGods
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Andrex said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(series)#Reception_and_legacy
And +1 for 2D Sonic > 2D Mario.
And isn't Andrex like 15 years old?
Feel the Swift
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sums it up nicely.Firestorm said:
you totally got it wrong there brother, sonic games were coolZaro said:
I present proof that sonic cd is perfect.
ThatObviousUser
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CurseoftheGods said:
lol Wikipidia.
CurseoftheGods
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Andrex said:
The sources are all there, and it's well referenced.
Anticitizen One
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What all of you fail to realize is that sonic, mario, and even crash bandicoot all become irrelevant the day master chief arrived on the scene. He is now the most iconic mascot of all time.
CurseoftheGods
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andymcc said:
I can answer that for you.
No.
Dark Machine
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Anticitizen One said:
Master Chief is nothing campared to Samus, even with all the Other:M exposition. Master Chief is just a suit with a beefy voice, he has no personality, no uniqueness at all, maybe that's why he's so appealing in today's game market. Yeah, I went there.
The Technomancer
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Sorry Andrex, but S3&K > Mario World. 
The latter is interesting, but the former has a feel all its own. 2D Mario has always had some weird issues for me...
The latter is interesting, but the former has a feel all its own. 2D Mario has always had some weird issues for me...mario 3 > s&k3The_Technomancer said:Sorry Andrex, but S3&K > Mario World.
MisterHero
Super Member
You deride the Chief for lacking exposition by design but also consider Other M's hulk of exposition a mark against Samus.Dark Machine said:
This is counter-intuitive even if Other M's story was a science fiction romance novel.
It's telling when Mario fans consider Sonic games like Unleashed and Colors to be any good. In the eyes of a Sonic fan those are shite.
Its just common sense. Break it down to every level.
Pick something random like...music. Hey Sonic had better music. Ok. Next.
Graphics. Hey Sonic didn't recycle bad guys from the first level to the last. Every level looked different and wasn't just a lazy palette swap.
Level design. Hey Sonic had more organic level design with more branching paths and more platforming. Mario was as linear as Final Fantasy 13. Sonic is more like Fallout 3...go anywhere you want child you are free.
Bosses. Hey Sonic's bosses were all unique and weren't repeated over and over. They looked massive and huge and you had to figure out their weaknesses by observing them. Not by observing yourself dying because you had to memorize the boss pattern like in the Mario games.
Do we need to continue this massacre or can I stop here?
Mind you I'm comparing the classics. Mario titles have been consistently great while Sonic's went downhill fast.
Boney said:
Its just common sense. Break it down to every level.
Pick something random like...music. Hey Sonic had better music. Ok. Next.
Graphics. Hey Sonic didn't recycle bad guys from the first level to the last. Every level looked different and wasn't just a lazy palette swap.
Level design. Hey Sonic had more organic level design with more branching paths and more platforming. Mario was as linear as Final Fantasy 13. Sonic is more like Fallout 3...go anywhere you want child you are free.
Bosses. Hey Sonic's bosses were all unique and weren't repeated over and over. They looked massive and huge and you had to figure out their weaknesses by observing them. Not by observing yourself dying because you had to memorize the boss pattern like in the Mario games.
Do we need to continue this massacre or can I stop here?
Mind you I'm comparing the classics. Mario titles have been consistently great while Sonic's went downhill fast.
Anticitizen One
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I kinda wish Halo Reach ripped off Sega with the whole "lock on" thing so you could combine halo reach with halo 3 to get Halo 3 & Knuckles
The Technomancer
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I dunno, Sonic level design was a lot less linear then Mario design for the time.andymcc said:
Elfforkusu
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Boney said:
Galaxy >
Brief nod to the original topic: Sonic Team would be wise to learn from anyone making good games.
CurseoftheGods
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andymcc said:
He's pretty spot on except for the platforming part, in my opinion.
CurseoftheGods
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andymcc said:
I think he's talking about the branching high, medium, and low paths that can be used to reach the end of the level.
http://qntm.org/files/maps/chemicalplant2.png
NonexistentK
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also the result (Sonic Colors) is looking like it could be the best 3-d Sonic ever.AniHawk said:
CurseoftheGods said:
i know what he means. but there are some stages, especially in Sonic 1, that don't have the multiple branching paths.
additionally, the Mario games that were almost entirely linear were the ones on NES. i think that the case could be made that SMW was way less linear, considering all of the multiple and hidden exits for stages.
MisterHero
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I'm dying here but please go onIknos said:
The Technomancer
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Average Mario level:Serenade said:
http://imgur.com/0dS2H.gif
Start on the left, run to the right.
Average Sonic 3 level:
http://info.sonicretro.org/images/1/17/Cn1map.PNG
Insanity
Some people have argued that the more sprawling levels of 3&K hurt the experience. I respectfully disagree.
ThatObviousUser
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Iknos said:
Every main Mario theme is better than anything Sonic has had. Kondo is easily superior to any composer Sonic has ever had, including MJ.
Iknos said:
:lol This is so laughable I don't even want to comment on it because I'll laugh even more. The fact that enemies are consistent allow the player to know exactly how to defeat them, which allows them to sensibly curb the difficulty by layering more of them together, instead of making each one harder to deal with. There's no starfish bull crap in Mario games, and for good reason. They suck. All of Sonic's enemies suck.
Iknos said:
Free to go... into a bottomless pit, or wander aimlessly until time runs out. It wouldn't be a problem if there were some sort of map, but exploration detracts from platforming - ask anyone on GAF who professes to love the genre, they'll tell you. Heck I might even PM sixfortyfive so he gets in here too.
Iknos said:
Except that Mario bosses were both fun and didn't interrupt the flow of things so that they came to a screeching halt every time. For a franchise advertised to be about speed, that's kind of a turn off. With Mario, boom boom boom, three hits, move on to the next level of platforming perfection.
Iknos said:
:lol Massacre. Your arguments basically amount to a wet noodle that's been deep-fried in nostalgia and fanboyism a little too long.
As a fan of platforming over everything, Mario is my choice for the superior platforming franchise. It essentially created it and mastered it.
Iknos said:
Of course, because then without the shield of nostalgia you'd have to confront what a truly uninspiring and weak the Sonic franchise actually is and has been since day one.
In short, Sonic was a bland, mediocre franchise at the height of its popularity whose only noteworthy accomplishment is lying about its quality to get people to buy consoles. And even that didn't work after all was said and done. There's also a reason Sonic games have been seen as "not as good" as in their inaugural generation; it's not that the franchise has necessarily gotten worse, it's that the fanboys who liked the initial games grew out of the hollow, desperate formula. Ask any child Sonic fan today and they'll say they like the newer ones more, ask them in ten years? They'll have the same disdain for the contemporary games and fondness for today's Sonic games as today's Genesis Sonic fans exhibit. How utterly pathetic.
How's that for a massacre?
The Technomancer
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Mhm, alright, I can accept that. And I personally enjoy controlling Sonic through the sprawling levels more then I enjoyed Mario World. Something about how Mario controlled in that game just felt off to me.Serenade said:
Elfforkusu
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FWIW, this is why I like SMW over Mario 3. The cape being so game-breaking made them get really clever with level design.The_Technomancer said:
(but not as clever as S3&K)
CurseoftheGods
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Andrex said:
Somebody's butthurt. :lol
Commanche Raisin Toast
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The_Technomancer said:
i couldn't love the size of the levels of sonic 3 more. great stuff and, even though it was, didn't feel as linear. every time i would play a level i had to relearn it, unlike the mario games that seemed to always use the old fashioned "keep trying the level again and again until you memorize the layout and all the jumps so you will stop dying" concept that games no longer need.
ThatObviousUser
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CurseoftheGods said:
Just bringin' the pain. I do like these Mario vs. Sega discussions though because I know I'm right.
autobzooty
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You know, I'm starting to think I've NEVER liked Sonic. EVER.
Except Sonic CD. That was the bees knees and still is.
I'm afraid to say it, but I agree with Andrex. The Sonic games have always been kinda janky...I go back and play them nowadays and there's a lot of bullshit to put up with no matter which game you choose to play. Except Sonic CD, obviously.
Except Sonic CD. That was the bees knees and still is.
I'm afraid to say it, but I agree with Andrex. The Sonic games have always been kinda janky...I go back and play them nowadays and there's a lot of bullshit to put up with no matter which game you choose to play. Except Sonic CD, obviously.
Lazy vs Crazy
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The issue is we know they won't follow through. Zero percent chance. The core design of sonic is fine, it just needs the care, polish, innovation and level design that Nintendo puts into Mario games.AniHawk said:
Sega just isn't willing to put that kind of effort into a game.