Blue Ninja
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I'll probably watch it during class tomorrow, so that could be awkward.
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Halo 4 Announced (MS Conf, 2012, Start Of New Trilogy)
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I'll probably watch it during class tomorrow, so that could be awkward.
The SpartanLion
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In my opinion your arguing is a bit pointless. Halo 4 is going to be set in a completely new planet with a completely new style, there will be new enemies, probably new weapons ecc.
What i wish in Halo 4's graphics to be fixed from previous games is the terrible aliasing, the frame rate and internal textures. Halo: Reach graphic is awesome, they just have to refine it.
What i wish in Halo 4's graphics to be fixed from previous games is the terrible aliasing, the frame rate and internal textures. Halo: Reach graphic is awesome, they just have to refine it.
The one thing I need from tommorrows press blowout:
Remember before the last 3 halo games came out how they would post screenshots?
And how they weren't any dinky old 720p shots either,
Sadly, no anti-aliasing though...
Remember before the last 3 halo games came out how they would post screenshots?
And how they weren't any dinky old 720p shots either,
Sadly, no anti-aliasing though...
/facepalm
Gotta say that i'd love to have similar version of the Covie ship wreckage we were talking about earlier
Blue Ninja
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Get rid of that shit.
Can you stop please? I didn't say anything when you quoted a gif right after it was posted, but this is just ridiculous.
The Librarian
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my computer isborkedjkladf;siasdf
bobs...onGaf
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Computron, that is pretty damn annoying, you said yourself how large it is, surely it doesnt take too much to realize a link would be better.
Stripper13
Member
Why is everyone bitching about the picture? If he posted a series of them I'd understand.
Also, no one answered my earlier question
How many hours for you fancy Americans, until the embargo is up?
I need to know whether I can sleep before work tomorrow morning.
Also, no one answered my earlier question
How many hours for you fancy Americans, until the embargo is up?
I need to know whether I can sleep before work tomorrow morning.
Why is everyone bitching about the picture? If he posted a series of them I'd understand.
Also, no one answered my earlier question
How many hours for you fancy Americans, until the embargo is up?
I need to know whether I can sleep before work tomorrow morning.
14 hours and 49 minutes.
Before the edit it took a good 20 seconds for my page to load.
West coast here, wooooo crack of dawn, I'll be greeted with Halo 4 and frosted flakes.
As long as it's water effects, I dun care.
I thought I would post it without a quote around it, for dramatic effect, but that ended up destroying neoGAFs formatting. I edited it quickly after.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Its still causing my computer to stutter on this thread. 7 meg jpg's are resource intensive even if they are small.
Any chance you can delete it and link to it?Pretty much. Had to turn images off on my phone to stop it from crashing every other time I loaded the page.Its still causing my computer to stutter on this thread. 7 meg jpg's are resource intensive even if they are small.
I loved Halo 3, especially the engine so smooth and crispy clear. Reach looked nice but that blur effect was annoying to me. Did it even run at 60 fps? It feels more like 30-ish to me.
I don't want to know what they have to do to make Halo 4 run on 7 year old tech, even narrower FoV?
I don't want to know what they have to do to make Halo 4 run on 7 year old tech, even narrower FoV?
All Halos are 30FPS games. Why did you get an idea Reach was 60FPS game?
Oh I thought 3 was 60 FPS, well nevermind then. But still that blur effect was still annoying in Reach!
It was sub-HD, no AA, and even maintaining 30FPS was hard
The art and the lighting were awesome though.
Portugeezer
Member
So what we getting tomorrow? Halo 4 videos? Screenshots? Or just news?
I need to see something.
I need to see something.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
I really hope assassinations make it into Halo 4.. To be honest, I feel they may try to distance themselves from Reach, and I am afraid that assassinations may not make it. That would make extremely sad as they are one of the new things that Reach introduced that worked and were awesome.
Man, these 2 shots close together really show how much an improvement Reach was artistically. Reach gets shit on all the time for muted colors, etc, but sometimes the "muted" tones work extremely well, and that image is a great example of this. Halo 3 looked so weird at some places, and overall was graphically underwhelming.
I agree, maps like Orbital looked really nice graphically in Halo 3. Unfortunately that level of artistic quality was not present in every map, and some looked really bland.
Can't wait for Halo 4 news. I'll just leave this in here.
Legendary of course. I'm hoping for more moments like this one.
Not only that, but they remove all the screen-space effects like Ambient Occlusion.
Grass ends up looking like shit, really flat:
These things look much deeper in the realtime renderer.
Man, these 2 shots close together really show how much an improvement Reach was artistically. Reach gets shit on all the time for muted colors, etc, but sometimes the "muted" tones work extremely well, and that image is a great example of this. Halo 3 looked so weird at some places, and overall was graphically underwhelming.
I agree, maps like Orbital looked really nice graphically in Halo 3. Unfortunately that level of artistic quality was not present in every map, and some looked really bland.
these things are focus tested, some small percentage of people will always get motion sickness and weird side effects from these things. They do sometimes help the visuals though. To me it looks great!
Agreed. It still had that huge Halo feel to it, I expect Halo 4 to be the same otherwise it won't be Halo haha
RedSparrows
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Halo 3 looked fantastic, but had tech issues - i.e AA.
Reach looked less fantastic, but had fewer tech issues. I for one never had slowdown in it (other than All Hunters + Rockets + Firefight, of course).
By fantastic, I mean the 'fantastical' element. Reach was grittier, more blood'n'guts, whereas Halo 3 had the real high sci-fi tone.
I prefer Halo 3's tone, but Reach's engine.
Regardless, I want details to pore over. Can't wait.
Reach looked less fantastic, but had fewer tech issues. I for one never had slowdown in it (other than All Hunters + Rockets + Firefight, of course).
By fantastic, I mean the 'fantastical' element. Reach was grittier, more blood'n'guts, whereas Halo 3 had the real high sci-fi tone.
I prefer Halo 3's tone, but Reach's engine.
Regardless, I want details to pore over. Can't wait.
I like it at 30fps, I find CoD unsettlingly real at 60fps, just doesn't look good for Halo.
I wouldn't expect too much :/
My guess is that we still have to wait til E3 to see real gameplay..
They have offline renderers for these kind of things. very similar to what happens to screenshots from theatre mode, but they get many more options. Technically they could allow any resolution even on the retail versions, but that would take up to much space and bandwidth for storing those shots on B.net
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les papillons sexuels
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I disagree, I think a mix of pre-computed and realtime gi is the best way to go. Bungie was right on track with their lighting model.
"Bungie owned all of our equipment, so we figured we'd just use our iPhones."
lybertyboy
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Actually we capture in real time (no tricks) and these days we use the AJA Ki Pro to capture at the native resolution in Pro Res 422.
Not really, you could technically even 'play' halo at that res! Nothing is added, somethings like AA, SSAO and detail ratios may be adjusted, but its still the same old Reach. It would play about as fast as a slideshow in 99 percent of areas on an xbox.
IIRC Rage has realtime resolution scaling for when things got intense and you would miss the 60 fps target, or vice versa.
I think he was reffereing to the 5K x 2.5K picture.
Right now, its almost entirely Baked. There are no bounced lights on Forgeworld maps made from forge pieces, or even shadows.
heck, you cant even fake the effect with the lights they provide in forge. Maybe if they had fully adjustable deferred lights and anti lights that you could place, you could do what crysis 2 did on consoles with fake hand placed radiosity.
Bungie may have done that for the Spike awards Reach trailer, but that's not how trailers are typically made.
Edit:
Beaten by the man himself
are those from the new halo game? the programmer corrine yu is touting halo next as the best looking x360 game LOL https://twitter.com/#!/Corrinne . we will soon find out.
bobs...onGaf
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You should re-read her tweet.
sorry my bad . fell for the headline of that spam site n4ggg
actually she meant it is the best looking game they have ever made .Anyway halo games have never been about graphics. Despite all that it will sell 8m-10m LTD
maybe the last 20 pages of this thread while your at it.
You sound snarky. And yeah, this has been covered already. She's proud of the team, nothing more.
Devolution
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Ehhhh.
Zeouterlimits
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Read back over the thread? Nah brah, I gets to come here and take digs.
It's Halo yo, they milking that sssshhhiiiit!
les papillons sexuels
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I thought they had implemented the methods from bungies lighting research in reach where they have a mixture of baked and realtime lighting.
www.bungie.net/images/Inside/publications/siggraph/Bungie/SIGGRAPH09_LightingResearch.pptx
it's from 2009, and it describes their atmosphere model pretty well too. i think part of the problem is that they create the lightmaps beneath their diffuse so they dont actually do radiosity, which is a shame imo.
It's true. They're nice but I don't think anyone plays the game because the graphics are sick.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the way they have done it in the past, before forge world, but now that we have dynamic map editor (I assume halo 4's will only be more dynamic) it may be time to use a more balanced approached between prebaked and dynamic lighting. Deferred lighting was a step in the right direction for reach, but they could have done more with forge because of it.
After reading Crytek's presentation on lighting (First in the list and seventh are the ones of interest) Its probably safe to conclude that you are correct that a fully dynamic lighting scheme is not going to happen on this generation of consoles. LPVs are not available in the xbox or ps3 version of Crysis 2, after all. I still wish they would give more options for lighting forge levels though.
Have you ever used Sandbox for Crysis 2 by chance? Hand placed deferred lights seem ideal for this generation of consoles and custom maps. Bungie's Destiny is seemingly moving towards much more WYSIWYG tools, but Reach was almost entirely baked.
