revolverjgw
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How is Wii U going to do in 2013?
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Mihael Mello Keehl
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We need to SEE the games!
Chuck Norris
Banned
I'm sure they will rush out a Mario Kart game for next holiday or something
BrokenEchelon
Banned
They need an important first party title in the spring. Something to keep the system going and build a consumer base before the fall competitors arrive.
I don't think Pikmin 3 will be it. In fact I'm pretty sure it will bomb commercially. Pikmin 1 and 2 both sold something like a million units each. That's not exactly an IP with a bright future. I know this may seem silly, especially on GAF, but the hype for Pikmin 3 seems almost manufactured to me. When I heard it was being made I didn't give it a second thought. I enjoyed the first two games, yet they weren't by any means on par with Nintendo's other IPs to me, but I digress.
They need Mario Kart U in the spring, or something similar. Fun for the whole family, but a Nintendo staple as well.
I don't think Pikmin 3 will be it. In fact I'm pretty sure it will bomb commercially. Pikmin 1 and 2 both sold something like a million units each. That's not exactly an IP with a bright future. I know this may seem silly, especially on GAF, but the hype for Pikmin 3 seems almost manufactured to me. When I heard it was being made I didn't give it a second thought. I enjoyed the first two games, yet they weren't by any means on par with Nintendo's other IPs to me, but I digress.
They need Mario Kart U in the spring, or something similar. Fun for the whole family, but a Nintendo staple as well.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
E3 will be the decider, but I'm not holding my breath. As of now 2013 for the Wii U is abysmal.
can´t remember to see one WiiU logo at the VGA. And Dark Souls 2 site only has PC, xbox360 and PS3 logo and the "fake" site from Moby Dick Studio only has XBox360 and PS3 logo.
castlevania has a good chance to be on it. But not having Dark Souls 2 or GTA5 is not good.
Many GAFfers consider the Pikmin games to be among the best Nintendo has produced. The hype's definitely not fake, but you're right, it's a modestly successful series, at best. Based on the lofty expectations inevitable for a game with such a long dev time, this will probably bomba.
I dont think it will bomba. Its the most anticipated game for the WiiU and probably most the people that bought the WiiU at launch are planning on getting it. It should do ok.
Probably that WiiU will fail, so in real world it will do just fine.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
I think the big problem was that their launch titles consisted of games that a lot/most of us already had.
Having a rough launch is nothing new in this industry. Everything seems perfect until you send it out into the wild. Although the first day patch was terrible. That's the problem of committing to a launch date when all of the software isn't ready, but is ready before the product is officially on the shelves.
i'm curious if they'll even do anything at E3, either. it really looks like they're trying to find another way to do game announcements/advertisement. they weren't at the VGAs, and their presence at E3 this year (or 2?) was a joke. we don't have any significant first-party 3DS announcements. something is up, IMO.
i'm really blown away by the hype this game is getting. i thought it was always one of those titles that people talked about getting, but never did. i suppose we'll find out soon enough, though.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
I actually like the concept of Nintendo Direct. Do a one hour showcase every month about your stuff, through your channels/websites/whatever.
They get to control the presentation aspect of it, and it keeps a steady stream of news coming in for consumers.
I would actually prefer it if every major publisher started doing something similar instead of having E3.
You can predict those pressers to a tee at this point: Microsoft - 15 minute Call of Duty gameplay. Xbox OS features/additions, Kinect garbage, dance game, third party "core" title, you get the point.
The Abominable Snowman
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The only big title from third parties in the first half of 2013 announced for Wii U is Rayman Legends. All the other systems are getting a Metal Gear, Devil May Cry, Tomb Raider, BioShock, and Dead Space, and possibly Grand Theft Auto as well.
Alex
Member
It depends entirely on what software it can get that lights a spark for it. It's in a bit of a rough spot as it's expanded audience has likely moved on and Nintendo is doing next to nothing to appeal to the hobbyist group. Even their own core fangroup seems a little fatigued at the endless franchise refreshes and general missteps.
My feeling is it will wind up akin to the 3DS in the US. It'll chug along well enough to sell a few Nintendo games, but that'll be about the gist of it...of course that's why I bought it, so I'd be ok with that.
Really, Nintendo needs to spend some money. This ultra conservative angle isn't healthy when they could be expanding and covering all these bases and problems themselves. They also need to get off their ass and announce whatever they're working on because their 2013 lineup is an absolute travesty at the moment.
My feeling is it will wind up akin to the 3DS in the US. It'll chug along well enough to sell a few Nintendo games, but that'll be about the gist of it...of course that's why I bought it, so I'd be ok with that.
Really, Nintendo needs to spend some money. This ultra conservative angle isn't healthy when they could be expanding and covering all these bases and problems themselves. They also need to get off their ass and announce whatever they're working on because their 2013 lineup is an absolute travesty at the moment.
Pikmin2 multiplayer was amazing.
Anyways, a key difference to the Wii so far is that people seem to like the system more once they actually have it. Was kind of the opposite with the Wii. It will be a slower burn but I wouldn't write it off.
Well it already started out as a wii game so they just moved it to WiiU.
I'm honestly a bit pessimistic about WiiU at the moment. I'm sure it'll be more than worth owning, but I can see it being one of Nintendo's worst selling systems. Of course it's way too early to tell right now. "Losing" systems that don't die usually get very unique and interesting libraries, so from a gamer point of view I'm really looking forward to it regardless of how successful it is.
Fox Mulder
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It's gonna be sad.
The ps3 and 360 are gonna have huge games early in the year, and E3 will probably be all about their hardware successors.
Oh well, we all buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo exclusives right? I just think they'll have a hard time delivering quality games for the 3ds and a hd console.
The ps3 and 360 are gonna have huge games early in the year, and E3 will probably be all about their hardware successors.
Oh well, we all buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo exclusives right? I just think they'll have a hard time delivering quality games for the 3ds and a hd console.
As far as the systems success, we have to define what success is. Will it be number 1 console in LTD in 2017? highly unlikely.
Will it be successful enough to get all the important multi-plat games? Probably not.
Will it have a place in the market? Definitely. There are Nintendo die-hoards who will buy the system no matter what. There are mario/pikmin/monsterhunter/bayonetta fans who will buy the system once their particular fav game comes out.
But most importantly, there are the cost conscious parents who will be looking for the cheapest game system for their kid, with the cheapest software prices. Wii U is going to have a lot of cheap shovelware games, and once PS720 come out, it will be the cheapest new console on the market. There is a reason Nintendo went extreme cheap with the build on this system, pinching every penny.
The question is, will those sales be enough to sustain their fixed costs. They don't have a lot of employees, but they are in a very high cost of living country with a very high exchange rate.
Japanese companies have not been competitive during the last 10 years, Nintendo has been an exception to this rule. However, I don't know if what worked for the wii/ds will work for the 3ds/wiiu, and it looks like the wii/ds strategy is what Nintendo is using for the 3ds/wiiu.
Will it be successful enough to get all the important multi-plat games? Probably not.
Will it have a place in the market? Definitely. There are Nintendo die-hoards who will buy the system no matter what. There are mario/pikmin/monsterhunter/bayonetta fans who will buy the system once their particular fav game comes out.
But most importantly, there are the cost conscious parents who will be looking for the cheapest game system for their kid, with the cheapest software prices. Wii U is going to have a lot of cheap shovelware games, and once PS720 come out, it will be the cheapest new console on the market. There is a reason Nintendo went extreme cheap with the build on this system, pinching every penny.
The question is, will those sales be enough to sustain their fixed costs. They don't have a lot of employees, but they are in a very high cost of living country with a very high exchange rate.
Japanese companies have not been competitive during the last 10 years, Nintendo has been an exception to this rule. However, I don't know if what worked for the wii/ds will work for the 3ds/wiiu, and it looks like the wii/ds strategy is what Nintendo is using for the 3ds/wiiu.
That is, at the very least, the good thing about Nintendo. You can always count on them to support their hardware with high quality games, even if they're few and far between and third parties don't give a flying fuck.
I don't have such expectations with Sony and the Vita :\
And on the Wii U, not only are we getting high quality Nintendo games, but AT LEAST TWO Nintendo published P* games. That's pretty awesome.
IrishNinja
Member
really surprised to see "gamecube level" posts as a serious thing. id expect the 3DS formula (pricecut + get big 1st party stuff out the gate by the holidays) would alleviate that.
never even seen that thing before
if it's not a 999 thread, you don't even really try, huh
yeah, kind've a pattern here
pretty much the default/safest bet all around, since long before it even launched
never even seen that thing before
if it's not a 999 thread, you don't even really try, huh
yeah, kind've a pattern here
pretty much the default/safest bet all around, since long before it even launched
polyh3dron
Banned
Nintendo should hopefully have some good stuff to announce at E3 for it to even hope to compete with new MS and Sony offerings and we should have some good holiday season first party games next year.
Devilgunman
Member
WiiU line up for 2013 is nice but not comparable to what available for PS360. Not to mention a very likely huge momentum shift to MS and Sony camp after E3 when the next Xbox and/or PS are announced. It's going to be bloodbath.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Oh please, I'm telling it like it is. At this point the Wii U's software line-up for 2013 is near nonexistent and just plain bad.
Heaven forbid me for not having much faith in them for E3 after the last few years.....things don’t look good, deal with it.
BrokenEchelon
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I like to use the wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_in_video_gaming
But it's by no means complete.
It's because I don't buy their dogshit on a Nintendo console. If it's worthy of my time, I'll buy it on PC. I am a part of the 3rd party problem.
Reallink
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My guess would be really rough. Interest doesn't seem to be there with the larger audience and obviously it's a total nonstarter with your CoD-tards, Xbots, and the SDF. Negative word of mouth is going to be the biggest obstacle what with frequent hard locks, embarassing load times, inferior multiplatform support/performance, and the second screen lacking wow-factor and as of yet failing to light game design on fire. The fact that the first new console in 6 years can launch on November 18th and (anecdotally) be sitting readily available on store shelves on fucking Black Friday is pretty telling. Something went really really wrong somewhere.
I think they'll be hoping Mario and NintendoLand carry it for the first half of the year then hopefully we'll get some big announcements about the second half. Stuff like Pikmin, Rayman, Wonderful 101 won't do anything in terms of sales. The one thing that might happen is that Wii Fit 2 takes off in the same way as the first game and some of the previous crowd start to get drawn over.
But third party stuff ain't looking too crash hot.
As for the second half of the year, well we'll just have to wait and see, but I'm sure they've got some big titles up their sleeve.
But third party stuff ain't looking too crash hot.
As for the second half of the year, well we'll just have to wait and see, but I'm sure they've got some big titles up their sleeve.
polyh3dron
Banned
Well duh. 1st year vs 6th and 7th year.
Give me some good Nintendo games and 1 or 2 cool 3rd party exclusives along with Bayo 2 and I'm happy.
For me it's kind of worrying. Nintendo has been really frustrating with the Wii\3DS. I've been buying every console\handheld since DC\PS2, and I'm holding off on a Wii U. The lack of third party games on Nintendo sucks, but what sucks even more is that even Nintendo games aren't a sure thing to make it over. Waiting and hoping that Nintendo localizes their own games makes it hard for me to buy a Nintendo console, given that most of the games I want on them are Nintendo published.
They really should not wait for E3, they need to stir some excitement before then. Too many people are out there right now that are completely unaware of what Wii U even is, or that it's even out right now. Only the people who follow gaming on a regular basis even care about E3 and the industry goes way beyond us.
I've asked around at work and a large majority of people did not know anything about the Wii U while almost everyone was familiar with Wii. I know thats only circumstantial, but its apparent to me Nintendo doesn't have the right marketing approach right now.
Devilgunman
Member
It's competition. Does it matter who comes first? We're talking about WiiU survival here.
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
Yes. If not, something has gone terribly wrong. I'm also assuming EAD Tokyo is making 3D Mario. If they arent, we won't get 3D Mario next year.
Exactly, why would I buy a Wii U to play the same games I can get for the 360 or PS3 that I already own? I wouldn't. If Wii U can't compete with the current gen consoles then what makes anyone think it can hold its own against the next gen consoles?
Nintendo exclusives are one thing, but I would be pretty darn careful making games for Wii U if I were a developer.
And what happens when the inevitable "shit fuck all" is going to be on the 6-8 month horizon for the next Microsoft and Sony consoles?
People buying the system aren't thinking about that and giving it a break. They look at the games and right now the Wii U has zero games that will do amazing as far as sales numbers go. Monster Hunter isn't big over here, and neither is Pikman. Gonna be a rough year unless they have something massive up their sleeve.
So basically, wait for E3.
Always-honest
Banned
I think the first party games will be bliss to play.
But it will never be the succes that the Wii was.
I don't really care about multiplats on WiiU but i'll keep an eye on them. In the first year. Will buy a multiplat that i'm interested in if it's the best version. Like Trine 2.
But it will never be the succes that the Wii was.
I don't really care about multiplats on WiiU but i'll keep an eye on them. In the first year. Will buy a multiplat that i'm interested in if it's the best version. Like Trine 2.