You're such a boner killer.
Why do you have to dash my hopes like that? You're like... my light at the end of the tunnel, that sorta thing.
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Lightning Returns Previews and New Trailer | Fall/Autumn 2013 Release
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You're such a boner killer.
Why do you have to dash my hopes like that? You're like... my light at the end of the tunnel, that sorta thing.
Meccanical
Member
The unpublished video with the new areas was definitely rough looking. Trees looked really flat, lots of environmental effects and details misisng. The wildlands looked like the Taijin area from FFXIII though, at least part of it. Dead Dunes looked like a desert from FFXII.
TalesOfWin
Banned
I also like to have more limitbreaks. I fondly remember FF8's lionheart, zells duel, selphies the end etc. FFX had some cool attacks as well.
Only one thing to do now.
Can I cry like that but on Lightning's chest?
oh shit I'm not helping.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
the magical feeling is gone? I think we need the overworld back.
This game had one. Everyone told me it wasn't real.
Type 0 had limit breaks for each character through unique skills.
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Kagari I have a question. In what you saw did they show more of the world map? Specifically the desert? The world view concept looked like it has a large bridge and perhaps some sort of canal.
Meccanical
Member
Lightning will deliver you unto salvation with her gams.
Then its understandable why they didn't release it.
badcrumble
Member
I am conflicted in this regard. I adore the Job System, but I also like it when each character expresses their personality in battle and also has a concrete specialized purpose in battle. Limit Breaks are all about personality (that's their goal, anyway...) and not so much about specialization, and they tend to go along with games that have little specialization.
FF4, FF9, and FFX are probably the best games as far as specialization is concerned. FF5 and FFX-2 as far as customization is concerned. FF6 and FFX are probably the best as far as expression of personality is concerned (FF6's characters, and FFX's endgame characters, all become pretty identical and can all dish out and take crazy amounts of damage; their in-battle differences are mostly aesthetic, and I don't mean that disparagingly - aesthetics are crucial).
I give limit break-based differentiation (FF7, FF8, and to an extent FFX) low marks because it's aesthetic personality-oriented differentiation, but only actually becomes available every so often in battles.
FFXII and FFXIII tend to have purely aesthetic differentiations that DON'T really jibe with or add to their characters' personalities with regard to summons or special moves; or utility-based differentiations (based on roles and stats) that affect gameplay but not aesthetics. The special moves in those games are largely not the point of whether a given character is useful or not, nor do they speak to their personalities. That's not to say that differentiation doesn't exist, just that the special moves are almost entirely superfluous.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Lightning's new supermove will be....Party of One.
Situational Irony.
Situational Irony.
If I were to invest any time into an FFXIII fan fiction, I would invest it into Super FFXIII.
I don't think I can make a Lightning x Toriyama joke stay funny for 500 pages
NO WAY. Dissidia told me that gams were the express territory of Terra Branford.
You could've fooled me, what with the actual whining and complaining and claiming GAF had jumped the shark for making a joke at Toriyama's expense and calling members delusional for thinking that Square staff has lied when we've just been shown evidence suggesting that hey, they lied.
Well 1) it isn't irrational. This is the guy who with one fell stroke sent Parasite Eve scurrying back to the bowels of hell. His being a terrible writer has everything to do with the amount of hatred he's earned. 2) His bad writing may not be all that is bad with Final Fantasy, but it is a large part of it. Just as Lightning garners extra hatred for being the face of the FNC, which represents to all their disappointment with what has happened to Final Fantasy, Toriyama and his so-crazy-Dr.Suess-can't-figure-them-out plots are the poster for that side of things. I'd love to believe your more positive interpretation, that Toriyama is a nice man covering for his fellow staffers, but it just doesn't mesh well with what we've already learned.
Final Fantasy XIII was horribly mismanaged. I'm not pointing the blame at Toriyama for that, but I'm not awarding him credit for it either. I'm just stating a fact. That the next big installment in their massive cash cow franchise made it all the way to the goddamn demo before they had a concrete idea of how it played strengthens your point: Toriyama is not the only problem at Square Enix. But at the same time, we can't say "Oh no Versus is all Nomura's fault!" since his staff was siphoned away from Versus to help the still-born XIII. Nomura is almost beyond reproach because aside from mobile games, he's basically the only one to get anything done at Square these days. While allowing KH to kind of run off the rails, we mustn't forget that the guy also got 3 KH games and TWEWY out before Type-0 was ever even finished. When we learn the whole story about the hell that is Versus' development, then we can take him to task for everything he messed up. But we also can't say Oh well Tabata screwed up and that's what hurt XIII and why Toriyama is allegedly covering for everyone because the only thing distracting Tabata from Type-0 was PE, which Toriyama was on, too.
Square is messed up to no other. They're not localizing the games that would be good. They're selling crazy nickle and dime ios games, they put out a sequel to Dissidia like, a year after it came out, its taken them 6+ years to get their FNC games out, etcetera etcetera. So yes, Toriyama is not all that is wrong with Final Fantasy. He's undoubtedly not the man to blame for why XIII's gameplay was bad. He's not Wada or whoever.
Does that stop his writing from being a laughingstock? Not for a minute. Should anyone be surprised that fans are upset that this man who killed Parasite Eve, who wrote Mindjack, and who has penned the hilariously bad XIII series gets to write for 3 games while other writers' works aren't even sold outside of Japan? No. Is it only natural for a jaded fanbase to deride Toriyama, just as it once did Nomura? Of course it is.
The Final Fantasy fanbase is made of lots of different people, and what they have in common is a shared love of hating on what other members of the fanbase like. If you don't find it funny, do like the rest and crack wise about some other aspect of the series.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
You were impressed or not, by the size and what could be once finalized? I mean the gameworld of course. It's from 2006 we're not playing an open-world Final Fantasy, so I'm quite interested in the first impressions.
Meccanical
Member
The Ragnarok was pretty sick.
Needs more of this:
Yay! It's Ragny!
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
We need a FF airship shooter game.
Meccanical
Member
With airship customization.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
And you can name them too.
It will be like all Bullet Hell and everything.
Airships run on crystal power you chumps.
Meccanical
Member
Looking at that Ragnarock pic, there sure is a gun on there that we never got to use.
Wasted potential.
Wasted potential.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
What's it called. And where can I get it.
Meccanical
Member
Einhander
you have to search for it because it's an old PS1 game.
Made by good old Squaresoft.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Oh it was used. In a cutscene.
Meccanical
Member
I don't remember it.
Then again everything in that game got hazy after
Squall died
brandonh83
Banned
I miss Final Fantasy airship themes goddamn it!
Just one thing of many though that I miss.
Just one thing of many though that I miss.
RustyNails
Member
For me if a story is really good, I will sit through a shit game. Or it has to be so hilariously bad that I am left belly laughing and get my hero killed because i still couldnt believe the cutscene 5 minutes ago. Like ninja gaiden sigma. Different strokes.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I really enjoyed Blue Dragon at that time. Though it aged really bad, I tried to play it again a while ago and it really looks bad. The OST though still rulez like nothing else. It was a funny game overall, now stuck in the past and memories.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
You used it to blow a hole in the Lunatic Pandora so you could board it.
Shortly GILGAMESH kicked Seifer's ass with a Wind Slash. Like a boss. And then walked off like one.
And stalked Squall because he looked like Bartz.
Trust me, GILGAMESH is a stalker when it comes to Bartz.
I suppose I can consider myself a lucky fan who has loved every FF and enjoys various aspects of each. I take little fun in belittling other people's opinions. What's the point?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Yup. Enjoyed both CCs and Dirge, which I felt told a good follow up story to 7. The whole Omega Weapon concept and Chaos' true purpose were interesting. Much more interesting than Genesis' LOVELESS stuff.
I liked Spirit Withins honestly. It had the themes of a good FF but lacked cohesion.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Im with you, I like every entry in this series more or less.
Btw, another aspect that concerns me of LR, maybe the only one is that fucking time counter. The concept it's cool as hell, but I want to explore in relax the gameworld, and it's obvious this could be a problem, so serious that even taking a break and looking at the sunset could be annoying because you're "wasting" time. I appreciate they're trying something original with this... but what are the costs?
No, no, no. Not their opinions. Just the stuff they like. And not directly as in "Hey Magius I think Gilgamesh is a terrible character WAH HA HA." Just like "UGH I CAN'T STAND THIS STUPID GILGAMESH CHARACTER."
See the difference?
Besides, I've liked all the games in the series I've played. Some less than others. But complaining about things you like or aspects you don't like of things you do like is a pretty normal human action.
I know I'm in the minority, but I liked these too
All the Bravest is the first FF game I completely refuse to touch
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Here's hoping to a Wii U CC game. Perfect hardware for it.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
But hey if they say that I can use this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQf-zYn5TJE
"But you have heard of me"
CC is goddamn amazing. If I had friends with a GBA so we could all hit up multiplayer back in the day it'd be my game of the forever. I've done a lot of playthroughs and I'm always a female Selkie because I'd be damned if I'd go 20+ hours a playthrough without seeing jiggle. This game's OST is also my favorite, at least as far as FFs go.
I liked Spirit Within too.
Never played Dirge. I was never interested in the FFVII mythos anyway. At least there's Advent Children and even though the content is crap, at least it's pretty. And I haven't played Crisis Core either.
the magical feeling is gone? I think we need the overworld back.
And re: complaining. Everyone can express their like or dislike towards things but is it really necessary to derail every FF thread into places where things like that Final Fantasy Destruction thing get posted (though I admit I found that particular image extremely funny... but you get my point).
tiggerkiddo
Member
I so want to try Crystal Chronicles with my friend...someday!
idlethreats
Member
Corvo, you know I tend to agree w/most of what you have to say about XIII etc. but you can't deny that sometimes the criticism gets a little personal around here as well, and I think that's what Toth was responding to and what I was talking about earlier, about both sides being guilty of shit flinging.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
But you don't lecture the Toriyama Defense Force. ;_;
Femmeworth
Banned
You just convinced me to finally pull the trigger and order Blue Dragon.
idlethreats
Member
That's cause Luukyk hasn't gone on any crazy defensive rants yet today, that I've seen.
I did make reference to that fact that I found Shinta's post to be snide and condescending, but he hasn't come back to the thread to discuss it.EDIT:
LOL, missed this before. Perfect. Reminds me of the scene in Dissidia 012 where Gilgamesh rages because no one has any idea who he is.
Of course it does...
Please look forward to a dramatic story focused on emotions of characters.
Music has been integral to Final Fantasy in conveying, and bringing to life emotions...
It's clear they intended FFXIII to put a better emphasis on the story, and even more so than the previous FF games. Besides, whether the idea came in as a response to the backlash on FFXII, from the Xbox 360's port or out of their sheer "laziness" isn't the matter at hand.
And that's where I put Mother 3 into the equation: both games ultimately use their respective story as their loam, that's where it all starts and that's all what matters at last. No other J-RPGs share the same creative process as those two. However, I may be missing something here, for I don't pretend having experienced everything the genre has to offer.
You seem to have taken a chuckle out of that 30-seconds lasting chapter, while that's exactly a great example that defines the loam I'm referring to. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing FFXIII and Mother 3, rather I'm making a parallel between how both games have been designed. A great part of why FFXIII (and its sequels once I got to play them) places third in my top 3 of the series (after FFVII and FFVIII) is precisely because it reminds me of Mother 3 a whole lot, which is, simply put, the best game I've ever played. Owe you one GAF.
Whoever stated gameplay and story should be equally supported was neither right or wrong, but thinking makes it so. It's a debatable point.
FFXIII ~> 75% story | 25% gameplay
FFXIII-2 ~> 50% story | 50% gameplay
FFXIII-3 ~> 25% story | 75% gameplay
All three games approach XIII's setting differently.
All three games ultimately form a cohesive unit that remains one of the most ambitious projects SE have ever taken upon themselves.
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