Yes, but these small few problems would certainly mean that there may be an extensive amount of recoding necessary to get the game out to market. Obvious bugs that make you fall through objects aren't going to be seen as acceptable by players. Delaying its release once it was announced just would have made fan reaction worse, not better.
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Dark Souls: PTD sells 300,000 on PC, better PC dev. promised, DS2 was debuted on PC
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morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
That's a far cry from being unplayable and it could have been fixed. Jet Set Radio is unplayable at 60fps (the way the engine works it literally double the speed of the game).
Again, I understand why they left the 30fps cap on. They didn't want to bug test and fix any problems that 60fps introduces. But it isn't unplayable.
Again, I understand why they left the 30fps cap on. They didn't want to bug test and fix any problems that 60fps introduces. But it isn't unplayable.
I'll also add that Steamworks integration doesn't inherently make a game DRM-protected; client tethering (Custom Executable Generation) is completely optional. Scribblenauts is a recent example of a game that utilises Steamworks when run from the Steam client but is otherwise DRM-free -- if you're not one for Steamworks features, you can sign into Steam, download the game, back it up for safe keeping, and never worry about Steam again.
I sit like 10 inches from my PC screen. That shitty ass resolution gave me terrible migraines. So yes.
Not to mention other mods fixed the in game button prompts and kb/m controls.
Alright, but if you understand, then why is it an issue? I mean, if people only want 60FPS games, that's fine, there are plenty of them, but getting angry that a game isn't 60FPS seems unconscionable. It's like complaining that a game doesn't have better graphics (hint hint Drakengard 3 fans, style is a choice for graphics).
Why would you tie your render cycle to your simulation loop?
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Smooth Operator
Member
Based Durante, please take all my souls.
what if it couldn't
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Considering how someone without access to the source code was able to nearly fix it completely in a matter of weeks, I doubt it.
They didn't want to put the effort into getting 60fps to work. I understand it. I'm not going pretend that it wasn't for a lack of effort, though.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Acerac
Banned
Wow, video gaming must have been incredibly rough for you up to the very recent past.
It's odd, all these years I had never known that crappy resolution actually gave people crippling pain. Guess you learn something new every day.
what if that almost couldn't be fixed
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
If we're going to continue down this path, you'll have to explain how it couldn't be fixed by a person with access to the source code when someone without access to the source code made a version that is 100% playable if you don't hold B while descending a ladder.
I demand that you give yourself some cash!
Tummi Gummi
Member
Playing a 720p game on a fullscreen 1080p PC monitor is absolutely nothing like:
Playing at 720p on a TV screen
Playing 720p on a native-res monitor
Playing 480i or thereabouts on a CRT monitor
I understand your wanting the money to go directly to Durante instead of From, but I still prefer to understand the circumstances the port had to go through.
For starters, this was the first PC game From Software had EVER developed. They probably weren't aware of the most basic unwritten rules of the platform for western gamers. Conventional PC gamins is almost nonexistent in Japan, and whenever a Japanese developer does make a game for Windows they are commonly locked at very low resolutions (several games on Steam exemplify this).
On top of that, there were hints that From Sofware wanted more time with the port but that Namco was rushing it out.
Count me among those people, Dark Souls on PC is one of the best games I've played in the last 8 years. I never would have touched it without Durante's fix.
As for console gamers, different standards. Ignorance can be bliss, a lot of console gamers don't even know what the games look like running at insane downsampled resolutions with all the latest wizz-bang effects. Some people just don't care, which is fine, too. Not everyone needs eye-bleedingly gorgeous visuals and they can appreciate the game in it's most basic form. Nothing wrong with that.
But it's nice to like pretty things, too.
Acerac
Banned
Fair enough. Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware that there were such large innate differences.
angular graphics
Banned
So according to this:
and the quote in the OP
and the assumption that most sales on PC were digital
and the assumption that almost nobody bought the PC version in Japan
(or alternatively that the physical PC sales and the Japan PC sales cancel each other out)
we have than in the west:
DSTD sold 300k on PC alone
DSTD sold 255k on PS3/360 combined
or with no assumptions this time, but for total (all regions) sales:
DSTD sold 300+ k on PC alone
DSTD sold 392- k on PS3/360 combined
and the quote in the OP
and the assumption that most sales on PC were digital
and the assumption that almost nobody bought the PC version in Japan
(or alternatively that the physical PC sales and the Japan PC sales cancel each other out)
we have than in the west:
DS
TD sold 300k on PC aloneDS
TD sold 255k on PS3/360 combinedor with no assumptions this time, but for total (all regions) sales:
DS
TD sold 300+ k on PC aloneDS
TD sold 392- k on PS3/360 combinedjust spin around a lot, you'll never notice it with the terrible LCD motion resolution
Agreed, and this is always why videogames have bewildered me. Has a videogame designer ever considered an optimum setting for playing their videogame in, in the same way a movie has a theater to display it in?
I've always wondered if game designers think about it.
SJRB
Gold Member
Only 300,000 copies sounds pretty shocking to me. The game is in the top 30 best selling list of Steam pretty much nonstop, not to mention it's on sale extremely regularly. Considering its popularity I imagined it would've sold over a million by now.
Does this include both boxed and digital copies?
Does this include both boxed and digital copies?
angular graphics
Banned
Digital only.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Digital only. Though the boxed copy was only released in Europe, I believe. Still, the number are higher.
They're great numbers for a super-cheap, late port that had some negative press around it at launch due to its technical problems.
The Crimson Kid
what are you waiting for
It's surprising to see the PC be the lead platform for DS2 considering how the PC version of DS was treated as such an afterthought.
Aside from the glaring lack of graphics options, Dark Souls on PC was actually not a bad PC port. It was optimized well enough and wasn't full of glitches that were unique to the PC version.
Wile the Dark Souls port is not highly ranked when compared with other PC ports. There have been plenty of more busted PC ports released in the past several years, many of which never had their issues fixed. To name but a few: Prototype 2, From Dust, Saints Row 2, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Resident Evil 4, Assassins Creed 2, Devil May Cry 3, Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath. I also had a ton of issues personally with The Walking Dead, GTA4, and Space Giraffe on PC. To act like the PC version of Dark Souls is some unprecedented affront to PC gaming is ignorant of history and comes off as shameless, elitist, and hyperbolic to the extreme.
It's a great thing that Durante fixed the PC version as well as he did, because otherwise I wouldn't have ever gotten it. However, because I didn't want to reward bad PC ports, I bought it at $20 instead of full price. But even though I didn't want to reward a bad PC port, I wanted to show that there was demand for a sequel on PC, as well as re experience a great game in 1080p and play the new content, which is fantastic. Therein lies a necessary compromise.
Considering how they are responding with the sequel, I'd say the message I sent, along with what hundreds of thousands of others said, got through pretty clearly. Namco realizes there is significant demand for a well-made PC version of DS2, which they didn't know of before launching DS on PC.
Aside from the glaring lack of graphics options, Dark Souls on PC was actually not a bad PC port. It was optimized well enough and wasn't full of glitches that were unique to the PC version.
Wile the Dark Souls port is not highly ranked when compared with other PC ports. There have been plenty of more busted PC ports released in the past several years, many of which never had their issues fixed. To name but a few: Prototype 2, From Dust, Saints Row 2, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Resident Evil 4, Assassins Creed 2, Devil May Cry 3, Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath. I also had a ton of issues personally with The Walking Dead, GTA4, and Space Giraffe on PC. To act like the PC version of Dark Souls is some unprecedented affront to PC gaming is ignorant of history and comes off as shameless, elitist, and hyperbolic to the extreme.
It's a great thing that Durante fixed the PC version as well as he did, because otherwise I wouldn't have ever gotten it. However, because I didn't want to reward bad PC ports, I bought it at $20 instead of full price. But even though I didn't want to reward a bad PC port, I wanted to show that there was demand for a sequel on PC, as well as re experience a great game in 1080p and play the new content, which is fantastic. Therein lies a necessary compromise.
Considering how they are responding with the sequel, I'd say the message I sent, along with what hundreds of thousands of others said, got through pretty clearly. Namco realizes there is significant demand for a well-made PC version of DS2, which they didn't know of before launching DS on PC.
It would almost be an accomplishment to make a 30fps 720p game run poorly on a modern gaming PC. (Not that it hasn't happened before!)
AcceptableGhost
Member
It needs to be 100% identical across all machines, every frame needs to be displayed exactly the same in the same order preferably at the same speed (I would rather slow the game down than drop rendered frames). I need to be able to display these exact sequence of frames at any arbitrary speed as well. Also, any machine can run this game and the games animation gains no benefits from interpolation.
Basically I want to show these 60 frames to you and I am going to show you these 60 frames. Your machine will have no impact on what I show you.
Portugeezer
Member
Steam top sellers is usually not that high, especially all the way down to top 30, so when people think a game must be selling thousands of copies a day, it's probably hundreds of copies.
The reality is that Dark Souls is still very much a niche title, and is largely appreciated through accretion, rather than promotion. Or, NeoGAF is not nearly the largest sector of the population for those who typically buy/play games, and using it as a yardstick to determine popular (rather than critical) success isn't really helpful.
Schweinehund
Member
I think what really sealed the deal was seeing the windows mouse cursor in game. Really?
Hahaha, what's funny is that this is actually true! You have no idea how bad the N64 and Gamecube era was for me. I had to ration out my gameplay into one hour blocks because my head would hurt too bad.
Childhood was rough man.
jim-jam bongs
Member
The new lighting engine will be on every platform, and if the first game looked good to you on a console then I think you'll be pleased. Or you could just get a decent PC!
Fair enough, expecting the lighting and the extreme detail is a bit much. And hopefully the DSA feel my computer is old enough to give me a new one!
It was easy to find in my country, and still is. Good physical package that should make it attractive, especially since you can optionally activate it on Steam.
It's far from done selling too, it's in the top 40 on Steam right now full price.
The most important thing for DS2 PC is definitely avoiding GFWL\Windows 8.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Mac support please
Hopefully a lot of the people praising him tossed a dollar or two his way, he has a donation link in his blog
http://blog.metaclassofnil.com/?p=275
Same. Though I waited on that nice Amazon 15$ sale this past November, because even if Durante's fix is awesome, From still didn't deserve full price for the kind of port they put out, as far as I was concerned.
threetri333
Banned
Thanks for reminding me, I just donated 3.71 Euros.