krypt0nian
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Cooter said:
You are ****ing ridiculous.
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You are ****ing ridiculous.
krypt0nian
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Cooter said:
As a gay man, I know you're ****ing ridiculous. Just short of ignorant, but the thread is still open. Be sure to compare homosexuality to bestiality and incest on your way out. That's the trifecta you started.
...then you can state that if gays were allowed in the military they would all be having sex in the foxholes.
Cooter said:
Because I bust a nut everytime I shower with my team? I'm a ****ing swimmer, we're basically naked around eachother the entire time. If you don't have the self-control to keep yourself unaroused when you're around some of your best friends who happen to be naked when they are a sex you happen to be attracted to, you should stay at home and watch porn all day until you jack off your dick so muck that it's too sore to get hard.
Cooter said:
Who said they were good looking :lol
And standing around naked people who I pratically think of as my brothers because we train and work together the entire season makes me unaroused. These are my best friends. It's like getting turned on by your little sister. It doesn't happen.
FrenchMovieTheme
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lol there is not a gay man on this planet that would walk into a shower full of attractive heterosexuals and be "unprofessional" or make advances towards any of them. that is absolutely ridiculous.
on the flip side, if a heterosexual dude got into a shower with a bunch of hot ladies i guarantee you he would be trying to get a piece of vag.
but more to the point of tim hardaway. i think he is a narrow minded asshole. it may not be 100% his fault (parents may have raised him a certain way, or whatever his surroundings were when growing up), but it's just pathetic that there are people out there who still harbor this blind hate on any given culture/sexual orientation/race/etc
on the flip side, if a heterosexual dude got into a shower with a bunch of hot ladies i guarantee you he would be trying to get a piece of vag.
but more to the point of tim hardaway. i think he is a narrow minded asshole. it may not be 100% his fault (parents may have raised him a certain way, or whatever his surroundings were when growing up), but it's just pathetic that there are people out there who still harbor this blind hate on any given culture/sexual orientation/race/etc
Stoney Mason
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Nameless said:
We are at loggerheads. And I'll finish up with this point and be done.
Racism is Racism. Discrimination is Discrimination. We can dance around the subject as much as we want but that's what it comes down to. It's wrong. There are some complicated issues. Have some groups had it worse than others which justifies redress of past wrongs? Gambling Casinos, Affirmitive action, Black History month, etc, etc. I can see both sides of those issues.
What isn't complicated is acknowledging that all people are first and foremost human beings and deserve equal treatment despite all the ignorant hang-ups people have. I'm not gay but as a black man who's experienced prejudice before, the last thing I'm going to engage in is attacking some other minority group. If it helps gays to draw strength from the civil rights movement, to get their own rights and fair treatment, I'm honored by that fact and not embarrassed. The civil rights movements in this country was one of the most noble in mankind's history and I'm proud that my race was involved with it. What I'm not so proud of is the high level of homophobia that is present in the African American community. It's not a shock what so ever to anybody that Tim Hardaway believes those things. The shock is that he was dumb enough to say it in public. Go into any black barbershop and you'll hear even worse Their is a lot of ignorance and irrationality about homosexuals in the black community. Just like white people have their hang-us it's something the black community really needs to work on and evolve.
Kabuki Waq
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just treat him as if a REally ugly chick was on your team.
different showers, a little ridicule...still part of the team.
different showers, a little ridicule...still part of the team.
I was mostly talking about the NBA but still. If I had good friends that were girls that hapenned to be good looking I would still be excited seeing them naked. I'm a man. That's how men are built. Maybe there is a difference between straight men and gay regarding this issue but I seriously doubt it.
No but there would be plenty of checking out.
He would be trying to get a piece of vag because there would be no fear of him getting his ass kicked and he knew most of the women probabbly like men. He wouldn't try if it were a shower full of lesbians.
You can't control your sexual drive and what thoughts enter your mine. These things are instinctual.
I don't see how you are different than 99% of men just because you are attracted to other men. Men love sex and think about it often. Why don't you?
Go read the "When gauging a girl's attractiveness... " thread for proof.
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Nameless said:
Wow, you really need to brush up on your history. All of those things have happened to gays, they've been persecuted, burned at the stake, stripped of rights, considered "non-people", most likely put into slavery, and put through other atrocities. You can't decide to only look at the past 50 years or so and only analyze US history and act like that's the entire world.
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Cooter said:
Way to stereotype all males. And personally, I don't think of my closest friends who are girls or my sisters in a sexual way at all. So a gay man would not think of his teammates sexually either.
I have a question.
Is it the vision of many to live in a society where seeing two men making out is considered accptable and natural like a man and a woman?
No one likes seeing couples making out period but I just don't think straight people will ever get to the point where seeing two dudes making out doesn't make them want to puke.
Yes, it sounds bad but I really think it's the truth and I'm sure polls would confirm that.
Is it the vision of many to live in a society where seeing two men making out is considered accptable and natural like a man and a woman?
No one likes seeing couples making out period but I just don't think straight people will ever get to the point where seeing two dudes making out doesn't make them want to puke.
Yes, it sounds bad but I really think it's the truth and I'm sure polls would confirm that.
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Cooter said:
And I'm sure 50 years ago people would've said the same thing about a black man kissing a white woman, or even a black person attending school with a white person.
As time passes, people grow more intelligent and discard ridiculous bigotry.
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Stoney Mason said:
And I agree with most of what you said. As I stated multiple times, yes, all discrimination is wrong, period. However, there is a profound difference in how things should be, and how things are. It doesn't matter if you or I disagree or agree with it, but all forms of discrimination are not perceived equally. If Hardaway had said that he doesn't like Asian people, would it have been this big of a deal in the media?Of course not. But at its core its the same thing; Gays are no less or more human than Asians are. But thats how things are.
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Cooter said:
im sure gay people would love to reach a point where the biggest problem they have is whether or not them kissing their significant other grosses some hillbilly out. At this point, though, i really don't think anyone gives a shit.
Comfort_Eagle
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At least we all can agree to hate Cooter. What a ****ing dumbass.
krypt0nian
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It is as acceptable and natural.
Of couse nothing is true of everyone in a group but give me a break. Is it news that men are addicted to sex?
Why would you have attractive girl friends that are just friends anyway? Everytime I hear an attractive girl say she has a guy friend I tell her he's just hoping she falls for him eventually. If she was attractive and you got along so well why wouldn't you be dating her?
And this brother sister comparison needs to stop.
Ninja Scooter
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Nameless said:
i disagree. Think about the context. John Amechi coming out openly. A few years ago when Yao made big news by being drafted 1st overall, had Tim Hardaway come out and said "I hate asians and i wouldn't want an asian on my team", you don't think that would have been just as big of a news story?
nincompoop
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Cooter do you think male doctors who have to perform surgery on attractive naked women can't control themselves and jack off into their incision or something? How f*cking dense are you?
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Cooter said:
The only people that I would say are "addicted" to sex are retarded frat boy college kids. Ask any actual adult if he constantly has the sexual desires you're talking about, and I guarantee you'll find most will answer "no"
Why would I have attractive girl friends? What, should all of my friends who are girls be ugly or something? I've grown up with them, become close, they're like sisters to me. I know that dating just wouldn't work out. Again, your "personal experience" here is very stereotypical, reminds me of a TV soap opera. That's not real life.
Cooter said:
Well I'm very straight, and I don't feel that way at all.
krypt0nian
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Cooter said:
Why would I care what ignorant straight people think about it?
So you are a bigot if you don't want to see two men kiss? Interesting. I think bigot is the word of the decade. I declare right now.
I'm not saying they don't have every right to because they do just that straight people will never see it as just another crazy straight couple making out. Women and men alike.
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Cooter said:
I like these imaginary numbers you're throwing out there. Really convincing.
No offense 404Ender but you are hardly a normal guy then. Normal straight guys don't hang out with fine ladies and not try to jump them.
Becasue like I said, if they are attractive and you get along so well why not start dating them? What more are you looking for?
Becasue like I said, if they are attractive and you get along so well why not start dating them? What more are you looking for?
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Cooter said:
No, your definition of a "normal guy" is highly skewed. That's laughable that you think all men are chauvinist pigs who will jump on any hot girl that crosses his path, regardless of the circumstances.
I don't start dating her because there are no sparks there, it's a platonic friendship. The fact that you can only see things in black and white is astonishingly sad.
Greenpanda
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I am a straight person and I am not "disgusted" by seeing two men kiss.
Ninja Scooter
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Cooter sounds like a guy who has never even talked to a girl and bases his experience on relationships on reruns of The Man Show.
Mermandala
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Ninja Scooter said:
All this sexy talk and the juxtaposition of yer name and Cooter made me see something I've never seen before, which makes me feel all slow and stupid, but if you say your handle real fast then it's "Ninja's Cooter" - like some stealthy, minimalistic murder porn.
BigGreenMat
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I think Cooter is being a bit crass, but his point is spot on. If you should have no problem with showering and being naked around gay men then women should have no problem showering and being naked around heterosexual men. I personally don't think one should hate indiscriminately, but discrimination is not a bad thing. Anyone who doesn't discriminate would be a fool and would not make it very far in life, and if anything true racists and bigots are indiscriminate. Most of the people who generally post in these threads are so hyperbolic that it is very hard to take what they say very seriously. It is funny how here people can present themselves as some sort of ultramoral absolutists here and use it as a way to look down at people with a realistic healthy viewpoint. They take on the very attributes that they are disparaging.
Stoney Mason
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BigGreenMat said:
Stopped reading right there. Only on GAF.
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I know this thread has derailed, but who gives a shit what a basketball player thinks about social issues? And who gives a shit whether or not he's a bigot?
All this shows to me is he's an idiot who doesn't know when to say what in what context.
All this shows to me is he's an idiot who doesn't know when to say what in what context.
krypt0nian
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Cooter said:
They can think what they like. They are ignorant after all.
Doesn't make it any less acceptable and natural.
Once again the retarded "discrimination due to race and discrimination due to sexual orientation(not "preference") can't be compared" argument rears its ugly head. Here's a clue...both terms start with the word "DISCRIMINATION". I can tell you that as a gay black man, being called a n*gger and being called a fa**ot evoke the same feelings of hatred, disgust, and dehumanization from the people using those words.
The problem with some of you people is that your very concept of "being gay" is distorted. "Preference"? "Choice"? "Lifestyle"?...ridiculous. It's funny how you can object to equating racial hate with sexual orientation hate, yet you'll equate someone's sexuality with something that's a conscious choice like only eating organic foods or being a virgin until after marriage. Do you honestly think it's a choice? Well then when did we choose? And if we're "denying" our "natural and default" heterosexual selves, that must mean that we're are constantly making this so-called "choice", actually make that two choices, one, to NOT be str8, and two, to BE gay. Wow, that sure seems like an awfully formidiable exertion of energy and will, doesn't it? How about the pure and simple logical fact...that we simply ARE gay.
Then there's the whole "oh you can be gay, just don't act on it". What crap....sexuality isn't confined to physical sexual acts...if you're a virgin with sexual desires for women, are you not considered heterosexual until you actually have sex? Or if a heterosexual man makes a vow not to have sex for some duration of time, does he stop being a heterosexual man? I highly resent the notion someone should repress and restrict themselves and live non-sexually expressive lives, as if not having gay sex somehow means you cease to be a gay person.
As a gay black man, it disgusts me when black people(especially black church folks...the bible thumping...it drives me insane) will attack gay people, and with such a vicious sense of validation and, I dunno, purpose. It's hypocritical. If we could take that hateful energy and sense of purpose and put it towards addressing our own damn problems, we'd be all the better for it. I don't know what's up with "us" and this issue...the cynic in me thinks there's some kind of underlying "revenge", something like "we've been opressed and enslaved and discriminated...let's see how it feels on the other side"...and for the religious types, it's even worse...they feel they have the allmighty holy free pass for hate.
Stop with this "can't hide" vs. "can hide" crap...first of all, all time periods and societal rules and customs being equal, do you think if homosexuality was as immediately disginguisable as skin color, that homosexuals wouldn't have been just as opressed and systematically discriminated against? If the only thing seperating the two is a superficial characteristic, then how are they so different? If you could plainly "see" a gay person(and not just suspect, or observe mannerisms, etc) in those times, do you honestly thing he would be treated equally(to a str8 white male)?
Hiding is no life to live...the vast majority of us "have" to do it at some point in our lives, especially growing up, but it's not living, it's merely survival. Repression is brutal...the fear of being "found out" haunts you constantly...you fear that everything that is "normal" for you will end...how your family treats you, your friends...there are constant trust issues...you always have to be on guard, always aware of how you act, how you speak, what you do...then there's the "fitting in" crap, the faux "guy-talk" about girls, dating, even marriage for some...the constant deception...as stated, you don't just have to repress your own life, but you have to try to create and live out a fake one. That's the life you expect homosexuals to live? That's your alternative? Gee, thanks.
Btw, great post Stoney Mason
The problem with some of you people is that your very concept of "being gay" is distorted. "Preference"? "Choice"? "Lifestyle"?...ridiculous. It's funny how you can object to equating racial hate with sexual orientation hate, yet you'll equate someone's sexuality with something that's a conscious choice like only eating organic foods or being a virgin until after marriage. Do you honestly think it's a choice? Well then when did we choose? And if we're "denying" our "natural and default" heterosexual selves, that must mean that we're are constantly making this so-called "choice", actually make that two choices, one, to NOT be str8, and two, to BE gay. Wow, that sure seems like an awfully formidiable exertion of energy and will, doesn't it? How about the pure and simple logical fact...that we simply ARE gay.
Then there's the whole "oh you can be gay, just don't act on it". What crap....sexuality isn't confined to physical sexual acts...if you're a virgin with sexual desires for women, are you not considered heterosexual until you actually have sex? Or if a heterosexual man makes a vow not to have sex for some duration of time, does he stop being a heterosexual man? I highly resent the notion someone should repress and restrict themselves and live non-sexually expressive lives, as if not having gay sex somehow means you cease to be a gay person.
As a gay black man, it disgusts me when black people(especially black church folks...the bible thumping...it drives me insane) will attack gay people, and with such a vicious sense of validation and, I dunno, purpose. It's hypocritical. If we could take that hateful energy and sense of purpose and put it towards addressing our own damn problems, we'd be all the better for it. I don't know what's up with "us" and this issue...the cynic in me thinks there's some kind of underlying "revenge", something like "we've been opressed and enslaved and discriminated...let's see how it feels on the other side"...and for the religious types, it's even worse...they feel they have the allmighty holy free pass for hate.
Stop with this "can't hide" vs. "can hide" crap...first of all, all time periods and societal rules and customs being equal, do you think if homosexuality was as immediately disginguisable as skin color, that homosexuals wouldn't have been just as opressed and systematically discriminated against? If the only thing seperating the two is a superficial characteristic, then how are they so different? If you could plainly "see" a gay person(and not just suspect, or observe mannerisms, etc) in those times, do you honestly thing he would be treated equally(to a str8 white male)?
Hiding is no life to live...the vast majority of us "have" to do it at some point in our lives, especially growing up, but it's not living, it's merely survival. Repression is brutal...the fear of being "found out" haunts you constantly...you fear that everything that is "normal" for you will end...how your family treats you, your friends...there are constant trust issues...you always have to be on guard, always aware of how you act, how you speak, what you do...then there's the "fitting in" crap, the faux "guy-talk" about girls, dating, even marriage for some...the constant deception...as stated, you don't just have to repress your own life, but you have to try to create and live out a fake one. That's the life you expect homosexuals to live? That's your alternative? Gee, thanks.
Btw, great post Stoney Mason
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First of all let me say that I am ashamed to see so many brothers coming into this thread with the view that gays are belittling our peoples struggle. I have never heard a gay person say we have suffered as much as the blacks in America. They are not making that statement at all. What statement they are making is something else. They are using the plight, and the struggles of the black man and woman as inspiration. How can someone in a similar position as blacks were not look at the equal rights movement without being inspired to do the same? Gays have suffered; no not on the same level as blacks did because slavery was possible the worst atrocity that the world has seen. Being a straight black man, I am proud to see that my people have overcome almost impossible odds to become free men and women of America, but also their actions have given hope to other people to overcome bad odds. All I can say is dont think because people didnt suffer as much as blacks that they can not borrow our hope for peace among men. Remember what the blacks overcame no one else before them did and what they did can move others.
As for people saying gays could just hide. That is just plain stupid. Sure a black person cannot hide if they wanted to, but why would you want to hide? I would never want to be anything other than me. I dont want to be Japanese so I can get a better job. I want to get a better job because I overcame the hurdle of not being Japanese therefore making the world better and maybe opening doors.
I have a wife and am proud to be married to her, why should gay people be forced to pretend they are not gay just to be treated right? Why cant they be proud of their partners? It is just plain silly.
Jackie Robinson made strides for black athletes in every sport, because people said the exact same thing that about blacks. I dont want to shower with them or have them on my team. It is the same thing and nothing you can say about the 400 years of oppression can change the face of hatred.
One last thing, lets just call a spade a spade here. A lot of people in here are just homophobic. The weak agurment that gays have not suffered like blacks, or they are cheapening the black movement is not true and you know it. I like how it started out like that and turned into gays are going to try to have buttsex in the locker room. Didnt happen with John Amaechi nor any of the other closet gays in sports now did it? I can say I have taken baths with fine women and not once did I get erect, because I came to relax and take a bath. Maybe if I was 15 going through puberty it would be a different story.
As for people saying gays could just hide. That is just plain stupid. Sure a black person cannot hide if they wanted to, but why would you want to hide? I would never want to be anything other than me. I dont want to be Japanese so I can get a better job. I want to get a better job because I overcame the hurdle of not being Japanese therefore making the world better and maybe opening doors.
I have a wife and am proud to be married to her, why should gay people be forced to pretend they are not gay just to be treated right? Why cant they be proud of their partners? It is just plain silly.
Jackie Robinson made strides for black athletes in every sport, because people said the exact same thing that about blacks. I dont want to shower with them or have them on my team. It is the same thing and nothing you can say about the 400 years of oppression can change the face of hatred.
One last thing, lets just call a spade a spade here. A lot of people in here are just homophobic. The weak agurment that gays have not suffered like blacks, or they are cheapening the black movement is not true and you know it. I like how it started out like that and turned into gays are going to try to have buttsex in the locker room. Didnt happen with John Amaechi nor any of the other closet gays in sports now did it? I can say I have taken baths with fine women and not once did I get erect, because I came to relax and take a bath. Maybe if I was 15 going through puberty it would be a different story.
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He doesn't have time to think. He's too busy jumping his "fine lady" coworkers, wouldibecorrectinassertingthis?Cooter said:
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