Adam Scott Aukerman
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Yeah it's a pretty grim outlook for what started out as looking like a very competitive season. Sadly it seems Red Bull can just coast to both titles again as they're being handed them on a plate.
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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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Yeah it's a pretty grim outlook for what started out as looking like a very competitive season. Sadly it seems Red Bull can just coast to both titles again as they're being handed them on a plate.
if the 1000 Km test can't prevent it... yeah, RBR and Vettel again, now is everyone having fun with the new *fixed* tyres ? this is real racing alright, ZzZzz....
edit: Alonso on Spanish TV "the upgrades we brought here, I'm sending them myself back to Italy right this Monday" lol !!!! a bit salty, but I understand.
As I said, it is too cool for Ferrari and Lotus to be a thread to RBR. And austrian team seems to bridge their tyre problems. Meanwhile it looks like that Ferrari probably 'upgraded' their windtunnel. In wrong direction.
And this 'summer' in Europe is only helping them.
It will be a least interesting start for Fernando, with his best friend in front of him
And this 'summer' in Europe is only helping them.
It will be a least interesting start for Fernando, with his best friend in front of him
brotkasten
Member
Only saw the results. What the fuck did Ferrari and Alonso do now?
Bad patch of upgrades.
that and cold temps, not even Ferrari is losing the development race but the weather is also against them, it's going to be Merc on Saturdays and Vettel-Lewis on Sundays from now on, guess somewhat entertaining but not as much as when the season started.
KillerMan91
Member
Well this is british weather lol. In theory it could be pretty warm next weekend in Germany...but yeah it's hard to compete against Redbull if your car is so depended on the weather. Lotus even more than Ferrari I would say.
Yeah, both drivers walked away.
Was sat in the stand for P2 yesterday and there was a slight wet patch at the end of Becketts that kept catching people out, was funny to watch. Kimi went over it every single lap and had to rescue the car.
One of the Force Indias hit it and had to go over the grass.
Now i'm back home in Yorkshire
One of the Force Indias hit it and had to go over the grass.
Now i'm back home in Yorkshire
Wax Free Vanilla
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Adam Cooper @adamcooperf1
The weight is car + driver and apparently the discrepancy relates to Paul's weight when he stepped on the scales after qualifying
How much does a bladder full of piss weigh?
Psychotext
Member
I didn't get to watch the practice sessions. How's the long run pace looking for the main contenders?
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Sucks for di Resta, but I've got him down for most positions gained this weekend, so there's a good chance I'll benefit from that.
It's a spec series. Go figure.
It's a spec series. Go figure.
RukusProvider
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Alonso wasted his prime years at Ferrari. It's not the team that Schumacher had put together. They're back to their pre Schumacher days; all mystique, no technique.
Hell of a lap by Lewis. Vettel will very likely secure his 4th straight championship this year. An amazing feat.
Hell of a lap by Lewis. Vettel will very likely secure his 4th straight championship this year. An amazing feat.
RukusProvider
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They started this year well, isn't this the first race of the season where they have looked so far off the pace?
And if Alonso didnt drive over his front wing in Malaysia and had the DRS problem (twice) in Bahrain he would probably be coming into the race ahead of Vettel in the championship.
I know you could have say similar things about anyones season, but those were two races where Ferrari were looking really strong.
So although Ferrari have been awful for a few season, it did look like they had a great car this season, and probably still do for the warmer races.
Around 0.5kg. Not that much more.
RukusProvider
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If he didn't fuck over McLaren, it would have served him better (outside of this year).
bobnowhere
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Lol, I forgot about the predictor again this week. Monaco, Canada and Britain with the same predictions!
Really impressed by the Toro Rosso boys this week as well of FI, both cars seem very slippery in a straight line. This is probably a function of their simpler aero designs and wide fast corners, while the highly complex Ferrari and Lotus are clearly not comfortable in these conditions. The Mcclaren is still useless though!
Really impressed by the Toro Rosso boys this week as well of FI, both cars seem very slippery in a straight line. This is probably a function of their simpler aero designs and wide fast corners, while the highly complex Ferrari and Lotus are clearly not comfortable in these conditions. The Mcclaren is still useless though!
I haven't looked at the standings as they sit currently, but I'd love to know what the difference in constructors points is between STR and MCL. I'd say there's every chance MCL will be lower by the end of the season, if not now.
Edit: STR fair way behind MCL, but FI a surprising margin ahead.
Sauber even further back lolz
bobnowhere
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dubc35 said:
Big Takeover said:
2012 Race Summary
An engine failure on Vitaly Petrov's Caterham on his way round to the grid meant he had to return to the pits and retire the car before the race had even begun. When it did, however, it was polesitter Fernando Alonso who maintained his lead into the first corner. Webber and Schumacher followed him round in their same positions, but Vettel fell prey to Massa and Räikkönen, before quickly getting back past the Finn. Paul di Resta, in tenth place at the time, suffered a puncture as a result of his right rear tyre coming into contact with Romain Grosjean's front wing at the start of the Wellington straight. di Resta spun and retired from the damage on the following lap whilst Grosjean pitted on the third lap to replace his front wing and change tyres after his impaired front wing was costing him places. Later on in the race, Sergio Pérez and Pastor Maldonado had an incident at Brooklands which is at the end of the Wellington Straight. Maldonado tried to overtake Pérez on the inside of the corner under braking, whilst Pérez was defending on the inside line Maldonado's front wing clipped Pérez's car and sent both of them into a spin, the result of this would be Sergio Pérez retiring from the race and Maldonado had to make an unscheduled pit stop to repair damage to his front wing. This would be a disaster for his strategy in the race because a lap earlier he pitted for new tyres, Maldonado would later finish 16th in the race. At the start of lap 50, Mark Webber was closing in on race leader Fernando Alonso, with Sebastian Vettel shortly behind his team mate in 3rd place. Webber was faster than Alonso due to his tyres being worn more than Webber's, but then with 3 laps to go Webber was within a second of Alonso's car, this would mean he was eligible to use DRS in the allocated DRS zone which was on the Wellington straight, this would give him extra speed. Alonso knew he was slower than Webber so he took the inside line as Webber passed Alonso for the lead of the race, Alonso tried to attack on him in the next few corners. Now Vettel would try and close up on Alonso. When the chequered flag fell Mark Webber won his second British Grand Prix, just like he did in 2010. Alonso was 2nd but Vettel didn't have the pace to catch Alonso, but at least Sebastian Vettel got another podium finish. Felipe Massa finished 5 seconds behind Vettel, Romain Grosjean recovered from the first lap incident to finish sixth, behind his team mate Kimi Räikkönen. The other points scorers were Schumacher, Hamilton, Senna and Jenson Button in 10th.
Circuit Info
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Laps
52
Circuit length5.901 km (3.667 mi)
Race length306.747 km (190.604 mi)
Lap RecordKimi Raikkonen - Lotus - 2012 - 1:34.661
Most Wins (Drivers)Jim Clark & Alain Prost (5)
Most Wins (Constructors)Ferrari (15)
Previous Winners & Pole Positions
2012 - Winner: Mark Webber - Red Bull Renault
Pole: Fernando Alonso - Ferrari - 1:51.746
2011 - Winner: Fernando Alonso - FerrariPole: Mark Webber - Red Bull Renault - 1:30.399
2010 - Winner: Mark Webber - Red Bull RenaultPole: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Renault - 1:29.615
2009 - Winner: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull RenaultPole: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Renault - 1:19.509
2008 - Winner: Lewis Hamilton - McLaren MercedesPole: Heikki Kovalainen - McLaren Mercedes - 1:21.049
2007 - Winner: Kimi Räikkönen - FerrariPole: Lewis Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes - 1:19.997
2006 - Winner: Fernando Alonso - RenaultPole: Fernando Alonso - Renault - 1:20.253
2005 - Winner: Juan Pablo Montoya - McLaren MercedesPole: Fernando Alonso - Renault - 1:19.905
Video Highlights
Highlights from the 2008 British Grand Prix
Highlights from the 1978 British Grand Prix at Brands Hatch
Highlights from the 1969 British Grand Prix
Highlights from the 2010 British Grand Prix
Jim Clark documentary: Part 1/Part 2/Part 3/Part 4/Part 5/Part 6
Changes from 2012
-A number of new drains have been installed in verges around the circuit in order to improve drainage in areas where water has accumulated in the past.
-The tyre barrier on the drivers right at the exit of Turn 14 will be extended by 50 metres.
GP Facts
-Jim Clark and Alain Prost have the most British GP wins with five apiece. One of Clarks was scored at Aintree (1962) and one at Brands Hatch (1964). All five of Prosts were at Silverstone (1983, 85, 89, 90, 93). Prosts best finish from attempts at Brands Hatch was third in 1986.
-McLaren - in their 50th Anniversary year - are just two wins away from Ferraris total, while another British constructor, Williams - at Silverstone celebrating their 600th GP - are third on the list of most successful teams at the event with 10 wins. McLarens most recent victory came courtesy of Hamilton in 2008, while Williams have not won here since Jacques Villeneuve stood on the top step in his championship-winning year of 1997.
-Of the current drivers, the most successful here are Alonso and Mark Webber. Both drivers have two wins to their credit. Alonso won here with Renault in 2006 and with Ferrari in 2011. Both Webbers victories have been with Red Bull Racing, in 2010 and last year.
-Jenson Button has more British GPs under his belt than any other driver on the grid, with 13. Despite the total hes never appeared on the F1 podium here. The closest hes come was fourth place in 2004 for BAR and in 2010 for McLaren. His last Silverstone podium appearance was in 1999 when he won round 15 of the British F3 championship.
-Pole position isnt of great benefit. The race has been won from the front of the grid just three times since the turn of the century (Rubens Barrichello 03, Alonso in 06 and Sebastian Vettel in 09).
-It certainly doesnt hurt to be at the sharp end of the grid however. Since 2000 every winner has started from fourth or better. The last time the race was won from further back was in 1995 when Johnny Herbert started fifth. The race has never been won by anyone starting outside the top 10.
Drivers Championship Standings
Constructors Championship Standings
Fantasy Championship Standings
Ah snap, I read you pm Leunam, thought I'll answer you later when I have thought of something and then forgot :/ sorry.
OMG WHAT THE FUCK HAS HAPPENED TO FERRARI!! oh god what is this shit.
Ferrari worse and worse says Fernando Alonso
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23112364
smh
OMG WHAT THE FUCK HAS HAPPENED TO FERRARI!! oh god what is this shit.
Ferrari worse and worse says Fernando Alonso
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23112364
smh
Pole position lap from Lewis, if you missed it. 300 km/h through Maggots, car looks glued to the tarmac
Excited for today. Mercedes had decent race pace yesterday so im not counting them out of the win today. Depending on the weather they should make life very difficult for RBR.
Alonso as always will find someway to score a lot of points with grosjean or massa likely to crash in to someone
Alonso as always will find someway to score a lot of points with grosjean or massa likely to crash in to someone