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Manga News/Discussion |OTZ| Reading Shounen Garbage < Watching Moe Garbage
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dakkumauji
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One Piece 719
The flashback was pretty cool. More Garp please.
The flashback was pretty cool. More Garp please.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Bloody Monday Last Season 33
So good
dakkumauji
Member
Wagatsuma-san wa Ore no Yome 22
The many wonders of a cosplay cafe.
The many wonders of a cosplay cafe.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
old on the left, new on the right
murata da gawd
Do murata does his drawings hand-drawn or with PC ala Gantz?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
He hand draws them.
If it was with a computer, you could tell. Unless Hiroya Oku doesn't know how to properly render and you can actually make good manga art with a computer.
Too bad Oku's legacy is figuring out how to draw nipples on bouncing breasts. I am not kidding.
I know man... all of the feels.
BassForever
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Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
You can't just say that without providing an example man.
The example I found leads to a site I can't link without getting banned.
yeah, he does. so damn good.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Starts back in the next weeks issue with color page and cover even.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I am very impressed then.
Can't really believe that the second pic on the right above does not have any PC-influenced touches in it. I mean, for example, the rain.
If it's true, then wow.
Well if you think about it, infinit chakra+a little more is pretty much the same as infinit chakra
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
There's a table tennis oneshot next week in Jump. Hopefully its good.
Has Urasawa's oneshot been published yet?
Has Urasawa's oneshot been published yet?
dakkumauji
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Shurabara! 06
Typical harem antics but do we spy a yandere!
Ayame to Amane 11
Never thought of rice fields like that.
Typical harem antics but do we spy a yandere!
Ayame to Amane 11
Never thought of rice fields like that.
dakkumauji
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Toriko 247
I forgot that this series features reader submitted creatures.
I forgot that this series features reader submitted creatures.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Toriko
Setup chapter, but I'm glad that they didn't just leave the fight off screen.
Setup chapter, but I'm glad that they didn't just leave the fight off screen.
You know a lot of people argue about what's the difference between One Piece and Bleach when it comes to how it handles it's continuity. They both have large worlds, but this is a subject I've never really expanded upon as much as I wanted on why I prefer how One Piece handles it's backstory better than Bleach does, even though it's largely doing the same thing.
My main issue with how Kubo handles Bleach, is that when he sets up something he sets it up in a way where it doesn't give us any speculatory indication that it might be this, or might be that, making it seem like Kubo puts plot holes in his manga only to make up a reason for it later. This really hurts how the story is told, and a prime example of this is when there was hints of Hueco Mundo when those dudes were stalking Ichigo on his way into Soul Society. However, like I said, it doesn't quite give us anything to work with, which basically means there's a possibility Kubo makes up stuff on the spot. Like really, what came first, the foreshadowing, or the thing it's foreshadowing? That's the issue here in reality cause there's no real distinguishing of this in Bleach as it leaves so much open in the air then that leaves thousands of possibilities for Kubo to write.
Then you got One Piece, which pretty much every example of foreshadowing is pretty blatant. When Robin was established as having a bad childhood/life, it was established as so, but it also gave us her large bounty as a child right off the bat. This leaves intrigue and actual speculation on what could've happened. Then throughout the story you get hints of it, very slowly; unlike in Bleach, you get the foreshadowing, then when it's introduced in the story that's it. This builds a lot of character to stories that wouldn't otherwise have had if they were transitioned like Bleach.
Then there's the little details that may not matter to most, but matters when it comes to the structure of continuity. All the characters in One Piece have stayed largely the same, while characters like Rukia changed drastically different from her original incarnation in personality that still lingers on today even though a lot of her character change was more rooted in her backstory aka she should've been brooding and emo in the first place rather than humorous. To me, things like that make no sense. That isn't to say a character should not develop, but rather they shouldn't just lose personality traits associated with them just because people look at them in a different way than initially.
Bleach is more about what's best for the fans rather than what's best for the story. A character like Spandam for example, a major focal point of the CP9 arc, got a buttload of screen time for a non-popular character, because he was an important character in the story. While in Bleach's case, characters get screen time because they're popular, which is why fights with non-popular characters take less time than others rather than a largely even amount of time spent. You could point out that Luffy fighting all the time when the other Strawhats aren't proves my point wrong, but you have to remember that if Luffy is fighting, the Strawhats always get screen-time doing other things too which is why a lot of people get confused at wtf is even going on half the time in One Piece.
My main issue with how Kubo handles Bleach, is that when he sets up something he sets it up in a way where it doesn't give us any speculatory indication that it might be this, or might be that, making it seem like Kubo puts plot holes in his manga only to make up a reason for it later. This really hurts how the story is told, and a prime example of this is when there was hints of Hueco Mundo when those dudes were stalking Ichigo on his way into Soul Society. However, like I said, it doesn't quite give us anything to work with, which basically means there's a possibility Kubo makes up stuff on the spot. Like really, what came first, the foreshadowing, or the thing it's foreshadowing? That's the issue here in reality cause there's no real distinguishing of this in Bleach as it leaves so much open in the air then that leaves thousands of possibilities for Kubo to write.
Then you got One Piece, which pretty much every example of foreshadowing is pretty blatant. When Robin was established as having a bad childhood/life, it was established as so, but it also gave us her large bounty as a child right off the bat. This leaves intrigue and actual speculation on what could've happened. Then throughout the story you get hints of it, very slowly; unlike in Bleach, you get the foreshadowing, then when it's introduced in the story that's it. This builds a lot of character to stories that wouldn't otherwise have had if they were transitioned like Bleach.
Then there's the little details that may not matter to most, but matters when it comes to the structure of continuity. All the characters in One Piece have stayed largely the same, while characters like Rukia changed drastically different from her original incarnation in personality that still lingers on today even though a lot of her character change was more rooted in her backstory aka she should've been brooding and emo in the first place rather than humorous. To me, things like that make no sense. That isn't to say a character should not develop, but rather they shouldn't just lose personality traits associated with them just because people look at them in a different way than initially.
Bleach is more about what's best for the fans rather than what's best for the story. A character like Spandam for example, a major focal point of the CP9 arc, got a buttload of screen time for a non-popular character, because he was an important character in the story. While in Bleach's case, characters get screen time because they're popular, which is why fights with non-popular characters take less time than others rather than a largely even amount of time spent. You could point out that Luffy fighting all the time when the other Strawhats aren't proves my point wrong, but you have to remember that if Luffy is fighting, the Strawhats always get screen-time doing other things too which is why a lot of people get confused at wtf is even going on half the time in One Piece.
dakkumauji
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Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun 44
Yesssssssssss, finally that love triangle is over.
D'awwww at keeping that promise. So sad there's only one more volume of this.
Yesssssssssss, finally that love triangle is over.
D'awwww at keeping that promise. So sad there's only one more volume of this.
hmm, AoT #11 collapsed a bit. Hopefully just shortages or something. Still, another 500k week for the series.
Thank you Murata
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Beelzebub
Noooo stop prolonging this arc.
Noooo stop prolonging this arc.
Theonik
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Papa no Iu Koto o Kikinasai! - Usagi no Mark
Some dangerously cute stuff and unbelievably heart-warming. It also does some other kind of character arcs right but I'll let you discover that yourself.
This was some good stuff. There is also a main series to read as this is a parallel works sort of deal but given I haven't read that either and still enjoyed this I'd think you'd be pretty safe either way.SummaryBot said:
Some dangerously cute stuff and unbelievably heart-warming. It also does some other kind of character arcs right but I'll let you discover that yourself.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Holy fuck.
He didn't like how it turned out the first time so he redrew most of the pages, touched up the one he didn't and added some more at the end.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Huh, come to think of it, wasn't the next chapter supposed to be released 15th?
Murata... ;_;
Murata... ;_;
Glass Rebel
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Ippo 1026
what is happening
what is happening
Isn't it impossible for a 3 y/o to have hair that long?Papa no Iu Koto o Kikinasai! - Usagi no Mark
Effects scream PC, maybe a mix.
The second pic is really better and doesn't let us think he can punch lasers now.
Beelzebub 218
Eye poking dicks, jump thiefs, heavinly lasers and Oga looking a an adult. How could I have missed that ass on the last page. <3
As long as it's possible to be that cute.
Could work when it was never cut before.
Theonik
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I really have no idea. It's cute though. She looks like a miniature Hibiki from iDOLM@STER.
BassForever
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Toriko
Glad this battle won't be off screened, excited to see what happens next
Glad this battle won't be off screened, excited to see what happens next
Phoenician_Viking
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That´s false. Kubo has a 4 level of secrets in Bleach which Bleach community is well familiar with. That means that Kubo leaves bread crumbs throughout the manga before the actual reveal, so then when the reveal actually happens it all make sense. You can take Zangetsu being fake for instance. there were plenty of evidence prior to the reveal throughout the manga that shows that Hollow Ichigo is really Zangetsu. He actually said that on different occasions. Some of the Bleach community even said that Zangetsu was actually Juha Bach, or he is a descendant of Juha Back, and they used hollow Ichigo as evidence to back it up. Same can be said about Chad´s powers which were hollow related. That was revealed in like chapter 240 or something, yet it was elaborated on it in chapter 430 or somewhere close.
That´s how Kubo writes Bleach. He leaves small hints along the way so when the reveal happen it all makes sense. Besides Kubo´s hints are straight in your face, it´s very subtle, most of the time. He gives plenty to work with like when people knew that Masaki is Ichigo´s mom before the reveal, and that Gin will betray Aizen at some point. I like Kubo´s style of foreshadowing and subtlety, much more than in your face straight out saying it.
Except the power ups that the SH get, that BB gets to steal other DF even though it was established that one man per DF, and the fact that there are artificial DF, that was never foreshadowed or hinted at anywhere IIRC, Cesear was never foreshadowed etc....
Unlike one piece, Bleach´s foreshadowing is to build up and establish things that will happen in the story, unlike one piece that stuff happens just because.
Besides Oda always tries to cram as much stories as possible within an arc that make it long, badly paced, just boring.
Static character that stay the same is in no way, shape or form a positive thing. It´s horrible writing pure and simple.
No, Rukia is written very well. Rukia changed because the events that happen to her effected her character, personality, and thought process. She blamed herself for killing Kaien, and got over it. She should not be emo whatsoever, because a huge burden was removed off her shoulders. That burden that made her doubt herself, and be miserable. Now, her character fits perfectly with her development. Same with Ichigo, Byakuya, Renji, Orihime.
And here you were doing well. That´s just straight up false. Ichigo and Rukia are the top 2 most popular characters in Bleach, yet they were not seen in Fake Karakura town arc. Ichigo showed up after like 40 chapters of just side characters fighting. While is why Bleach is great. It gives time to side characters to shine instead focus on 4-5 characters.
Soi Fong, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Ukitake, WW, etc... are in no way more popular than Ichigo and Rukia yet they participating heavily in Fake Karakura Town arc.
The way Oda treats female characters in one piece is disgusting. They are largely useless, and need male protection. That was very evident last arc, when Tashigi was fighting Snow harpy, and needed Zorro to one shot the harpy.
Luffy was fighting alone in Impel Down and the war. The SH were not seen for over a year, so yeah, there was zero concentration about them. Hell, the SH reunion was so damn jarring. After 2 years off not seeing each other they react like nothing has happened, and they were the same people from before. That´s bad writing about characters and their development.
BassForever
Member
Full Metal Alchemist has a better cast then pretty much everything
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Beelzebub
Fighting chapters suck in this manga. No more fighting chapters please.
Fighting chapters suck in this manga. No more fighting chapters please.
Murata livestreams his drawing sometimes. You can watch him draw the comic in real time if you want: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nebu-kuro1
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