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Pixel Junk Eden Thread of Spreading that Videogame Seed of Love
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Bearillusion
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The demo doesn't support 5.1. Every other game I'm putting on does but this one. I hope this just applies to the demo.
Dylan mentioned on the PSB that they kept it stereo at the request of the audio composer.
dcuthbert replied on July 24, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Baiyon was very particular about the sound - the originals are mixed and mastered very precisely in stereo. In fact, I think he would prefer it if everyone played this game with headphones
(I like to play it with the speakers pumping myself…
This game with a good pair of headphones and an HDTV is an audio-visual delight (and even without, I'm sure). The progressive music is wonderful. This is easily my most-played demo in recent times after the Crysis demo, the latter of which was also extremely generous in content.
Rated-Rsuperstar
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sykoex said:
This is a real shame, because Eden is all about music integrated gameplay. And after playing the demo, it doesn't sound as good as it should.
Private Hoffman
Banned
Ryder said:
I know, right...what a cock tease
PixelJunk games have a way of really being a time sink...they're the perfect games to chill out and relax to, and they're also incredibly deep while retaining some simplicity.
Mike Works
Member
clunky controls make potentially good game bad, news at 11
N30RYU
Member
in the official webpage http://pixeljunk.jp/ says "2008.7.31 JPN / SUMMER USA EU"... not worldwide release...
Private Hoffman
Banned
Mike Works said:
Hmm...Clunky?
The controls are really fluid once you get the hang of it. They're not clunky at all.
It's a little different at first, but it doesn't take long to master the controls.
Mike Works
Member
because the demo of the game didn't grab me. if this were a complex game with elaborate controls riddled with depth, it would merit more time, but considering this is an incredibly simplistic game, it should've been been developed and designed with smarter, better controls.sykoex said:
the 10 minutes i gave the game was longer than i give most other demos that i'm vaguely interested in. if you like the controls, all the more power to you. i felt the developers dropped the ball on arguably the most important aspect of the game.
tzp2gameknight
Member
I gave it a spin today. I can say that I think the idea is interesting but I was underwhelmed a little. At times I was amazed at how fluid it felt to fly around the screen like Spiderman, but other times I was annoyed at how hard it was to control. I'm sure that will get better though with practice. The stylized images were great though, really gave the right feel to the game.
I think I'm more excited about Pixeljunk Monsters which I got on the cheap today! Woohoo!
I think I'm more excited about Pixeljunk Monsters which I got on the cheap today! Woohoo!
I don't see how they are "clunky". They are very simple and work perfectly when you understand what your button presses do. So who's to trust? People who have played through the whole demo and got the hang of the controls, or someone who's played for 5 minutes?Mike Works said:
I originally found analogue sticks "clunky" - but I persevered.
Always-honest
Banned
this game is great.. it's trippy.
also, it makes me hyped for little big planet.
playing with three people on one screen is just great
also, it makes me hyped for little big planet.
playing with three people on one screen is just great
deepbrown said:
Exactly. I don't know why people think they can master every control scheme out there within a few minutes of playing a game for the first time. Yes, Pixeljunk Eden controls a bit differently than other games. No, being able to shoot a web while you're airborne wouldn't be a good idea, because it would turn the game into fl0w and make it gorgeous but incredibly easy and repetitive (the fact that you can't do that means that you'll, quite naturally, find various ways to find spectra every time you play). And yes, Eden is fucking awesome once you get used to the controls, as pretty much everyone has stated after getting used to the controls.
It's like quitting Ninja Gaiden after getting your ass handed to you by Murai, which pretty much happens to everybody when they first play. But you persevere, you adapt, and you kick ass. Same concept applies to Eden.
deepbrown said:
I know you can do that, but I guess my problem is that the momentum of your jump is very strong and you can't really fine tune your direction while you're jumping. I played for over an hour now and it still feels kind of weird and makes the controls seem less responsive.
I will reserve my judgement to after I played the full game for a while, but from the demo alone, I get the feeling that it coud've been done better.
I just remembered that I also don't like how everything is done with the same buttons. The passing through/spinning shouldn't be on the jump button IMO.
The co-op is awesome though, makes me sad that I only have 2 controllers.
Mike Works
Member
I'm going to trust my own opinion, thanks.deepbrown said:
Right, OK. If I did that after I'd played a game for 5 minutes - I'd dislike every shooter ever made - and claim all their controls were clunky. I wouldn't be able to play Super Stardust, or Metal Gear Solid.Mike Works said:
The whole point of controls on a new game is to let them wear in - to understand why the developers made the decisions and make them second nature - if they don't feel natural after an hour or more (without fighting them), then you can claim a problem.
I mean Shadow of the Colossus's controls were at first "clunky", but my god did they become perfect.
N30RYU said:
http://www.ripten.com/2008/07/24/dylan-cuthbert-talks-pixeljunk-eden-and-more/
Imagine you're a grimp. You can either jump, spin, or latch onto something. You don't have different buttons to press inside of you, you start spinning, or you stop spinning (which allows you to grip) - it's all about your timing, not about what buttons you press.maxax said:
If you can't get the timing right, you're struggling at the game. The game isn't easy. It's not easy to be a grimp.
ps. It's almost physically impossible to change your direction in the middle of the air...without, say, a parachute.
Mike Works
Member
Well that's just wrong. Most shooters have very simplistic and straight forward controls as well. I don't see how you could dislike them at first and then grow to appreciate them as time passes on.deepbrown said:
PixelJunk Eden is not Metal Gear Solid.
So now I have to give every game an hour, huh? Fuck that. I tried the demo, tried everything it had to offer, and didn't like it. I'm not going to play it, and every other game I don't like for 50 minutes or whatever other arbitrary allocation of time you feel like discerning just in case it turns out to suddenly be good.
They designed the game the way it is and they released it as a demo. I tried the demo and didn't like the game. Just stating my opinion and nothing more.
Bearillusion
Banned
Mike Works said:
I see what you're saying but I imagine you wouldn't apply that to real world activities.
'These golf clubs are broken. The ball never goes straight'
Now I'm not saying that you should play a game for hour after an hour in the hope that you will eventually like it but on occassion an investment of time can pay off.
Mike Works said:
I said I found analogue sticks clunky. and "most shooters are simple!?" Are you off your head? I still struggle with them....and most people who play them for the first time find them extremely hard, but they get used to it.
You can not like the demo - but to give the opinion that the game is not good because the "controls are clunky" is not a measured or valid opinion after such short gameplay time.
I.e. we can have two polls now. Who likes the game or not, and who thought the controls are clunky or not. If there's a majority vote for people liking it, that doesn't mean your opinion of not liking it is wrong. But if there is a majority vote for "the controls are not clunky" - then...the controls are NOT clunky.
Always-honest
Banned
Mike Works said:
they're not cluncky
Mike Works
Member
Maybe you and I are thinking of different genres, but when I hear "shooters", I think games like 1942, Ikaruga, etc, which are extremely simple to control.deepbrown said:
hahaha, it's a completely valid opinion.
:lol it is kind of fun to read thoughsykoex said:
"alright lets start a poll, and if the majority votes against your opinion, then your opinion isn't a valid opinion!"
It's not a measured opinion based on your playtime. The evidence suggest that people who stuck it out with the game for longer than 5 minutes, didn't find the controls clunky. That's pretty strong evidence.Mike Works said:
And noone is arguing about your "opinion". You are making the objective statement - "The game has clunky controls" - we are saying that this conclusion is not sound based on your playtime, and that the majority of those who have played for a longer length of time, disagree with you.
sykoex said:
If you come into a thread saying nothing but "clunky controls make potentially good game bad", then you should be ready to explain yourself. You're calling it a bad game, after all, when most consider it a very good game. The fact that he said he only played 5 minutes of it only exacerbates that.