These totally makes the first generation not interesting for me. Maybe the second generation, I will at least take an other look when I don't get sick from using them anymore.
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How Can Anyone Think VR Isn't The Future?
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These totally makes the first generation not interesting for me. Maybe the second generation, I will at least take an other look when I don't get sick from using them anymore.
BibiMaghoo
Member
For what it's worth, I found this issue to be eliminated entirely if you move your body with the image. Simply turning on a swivel chair slightly and it's gone.
Dreams-Visions
Member
It will be a great part of the future, but as has been pointed out...I don't think millennialis are ready to give up multitasking for any length of time.
What if you can multitask in VR?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Well I got super uncomfortable and neauseous the last time I played so there was that.
It's not that I don't believe it's part of the future, I just personally don't think that future is now
It's not that I don't believe it's part of the future, I just personally don't think that future is now
King of Custard
Member
They said HD TV was the future. It was.
They said smart phones were the future. They are
They said sarcastic responses to completely irrelevant posts about the future were the future. Check this shit out.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
I've played dozens of VR demos with free movement. There are ways around the fast first person running/turning that causes sickness. Making movement glacial works for a lot of people. Doing 45 degree instant turns using the bumpers is a solution that works really well (Windlands used to make me nauseous until they implemented this feature). Putting the user in a robot cockpit like Rigs or VOX Machinae works. While it is a problem that must be designed around for now, more and more elegant solutions will quickly become apparent with further experimentation.
Lemon King
Neo Member
- They don't know how much it will cost.
This is mostly true, consumer model of the Rift is expected to cost about $300.
- They have yet to see a game that makes it seem worth while.
Also true, but this won't happen until a game type is found to work well with VR.
- They can see there is no major publisher support at this point.
Facebook?
- They have spent too much money on useless gaming peripherals in the past.
Doubt it, not everyone purchases every gaming component. You'll see further adoption once it starts becoming mainstream.
- They don't know if it will work well with their PC/console.
If the user has a PS4, they're set with Morpheus. I don't see PC changing much in terms of 'Will my game work or not?'
- They feel that since it is an item you wear, if you have three people in your house you need three headsets and that comes back to the cost issue.
Somehow this doesn't stop multiple Nintendo 3DS or PSP purchases in a household.
- They don't know what the final build quality will be like. (Maybe they break within three months of purchase).
I've never heard anyone ask this before.
- The type of games/media they enjoy will not translate well to VR.
"May", please don't assume all existing games will not move over VR without modifications. There are other games which can be explored thanks to VR Tech; such as Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes on Steam.
- They own only a Microsoft or Nintendo console, which do not support VR.
This is true, but you're forgetting about cellphones which many people own.
- They get motion sickness from VR.
Motion sickness falls on the developer. If they're not taking into account player momentum, presence, rendering in stereo or not, resolution & frame rate (1440p@75fps). The user can experience motion sickness from playing in VR.
- They haven't tried it and won't try one because it is really gross putting something on your head that someone else just had on their head.
Somebody needs to learn how to keep their headset clean.
I could keep going, but there are a litany of reasons why a person might presume that VR MIGHT not be the future.
Having worked in VR game development some of those reasons are non existent or have easy answers.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
I've lived through the first VR craze.
Right, it requires restrictions. That's my point. You will never see traditional FPS multiplayer games in VR, for example. And that's fine. VR will be its own beast separate from what we have now.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
Yeah just clarifying so people don't make assumptions that VR has to be on-rails or anything.
Live action video will be a big part of VR's future.
Motion controls are indeed the future... because they are a big part of VR. They were simply ahead of their time and could only be taken so far on a TV screen. They were never truly a natural fit. But it was a fun fad for a little while.
Digital only is the future... just not the now. Not yet.
Sounds like a pretty big step up. Im looking forward to trying something more recent, although I dont know if ill get the chance unless I buy my own headset when it releases.
chemicals
Member
Some people are satisfied as hell with a tv or monitor. I like my gaming monitor.. Sure Avatar looked awesome in 3D and some games last gen experimented with it... But having to physically put on the 3d glasses disqualifies it as a useful option for me.
I love videogames but I have no interest in "tricking my brain" or any of that crap. I look at the screen, somebody next to me says something, I turn my head away from the screen and answer them. I have no interest in having a damn screen everywhere I try to turn my head and look.
Just accept that VR will be a niche product at best and if enough of you fork over the cash for it, there's a good chance it will last a few years. It will not be some sort of new standard.
I love videogames but I have no interest in "tricking my brain" or any of that crap. I look at the screen, somebody next to me says something, I turn my head away from the screen and answer them. I have no interest in having a damn screen everywhere I try to turn my head and look.
Just accept that VR will be a niche product at best and if enough of you fork over the cash for it, there's a good chance it will last a few years. It will not be some sort of new standard.
I'm 100% certain it will be the future, at some point, for some people. Not me personalty because as I said before, Mostly I'm not interested in it because everyone says it will be like really being there, and I am A MASSIVE COWARD. I don't want to be in the middle of even half the things I play, even the really safe ones! I LIKE it all being on a nice safe screen were shit can't get me. immersion can go sit and spin.
Some people love immersion, I am not one of them.
Some people love immersion, I am not one of them.
"I'm satisfied with my boxer shorts, but I hate putting on my pants because everywhere I go they are on my body, so let's face it, space suits will be a niche product at best".
..It never ends.. I guess people just don't get it yet, and that's fine, but the discussion has become utterly idiotic.
Pretty much this. Lol Some people just hate change, even if it's revolutionary.
"Phone VR" with Gear VR is actually pretty competent and OTOY got full body motion tracking already working (hack) - it is the future. Cable VR with highend pcs will be the ultimate niche. Even Palmer Luckey statet that.
Cardbard will see a Gear VR like successor.
I wasn't trying to diss it, I just don't think you can get a full idea of what VR is capable of without a high end gaming rig or at least a console. Eventually, current gen console tech will make it to smartphones, that's when this will change.
The said Betamax was the future. And HD-DVD. And Jet Packs. And Dippin Dots.
Lot's of things are supposed to be "The Wave of the Future." Everyone forgets about what fails.
King of Custard
Member
I think you missed my point, at some point everything that has ever existed was declared the future at some point. Saying a bunch of random things failed isn't going to stop a success being a success or a failure being a failure. It's irrelevant.
Betamax beat out by VHS.
HD-DVD beat out by Blu-Ray.
Jet Packs are still there, but price is likely a lot more than VR. Now you can fly around by jetpack in VR. Hopefully. Would love to fly around some of the worlds wonders. About 4 years ago they were saying a jetpack would cost 100K. Not sure if they ever went into production.
Dippin Dots, yeah you got this one. They suck.
VR will exist and be the first step on the way to a holodeck.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
It may very well be the future for most people.
It very likely will not be my future though.
It very likely will not be my future though.
POWERSPHERE
Member
Its a midstep at best.
...Space suits ARE niche. That is a horrible example.
I didn't know your personal interests spoke for everyone and decided whether a product will be niche or not.
Gear VR has some advantages compared to PC/PS4 VR such as higher resolution, no cables TM, portability
I think it's probably a safer bet to say that VR headsets as we know them now are the "car phones" that will ultimately lead to neuro-simulation the way it was portrayed in the Matrix movies. It seems cheaper to simply counterfeit nervous system signals and trick the brain into thinking everything is real, rather than build rooms with hard light projectors.
I've never tried VR but the thought of strapping something on my head that can actually make me physically ill due to motion sickness and whatnot sounds *%&$ing amazing and I can't wait to give it a go!
When playing GTAV on my PC I will hop on a motorcycle and go 80/mph down a busy street while putting my face about 5" from my 23" monitor. Sounds stupid, and it is, but it's also the closest thing I can get to a VR like experience.
When playing GTAV on my PC I will hop on a motorcycle and go 80/mph down a busy street while putting my face about 5" from my 23" monitor. Sounds stupid, and it is, but it's also the closest thing I can get to a VR like experience.
wanderingprostheyltite
Member
You might enjoy this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTG1JxW5AtI
Someone managed to mod vr support into a dk2, I haven't tried it yet but imagine it would be pretty cool.
I know what you mean though about sitting close, I used to do that with my 42 inch plasma from 5 feet away and it ups immersion like crazy. Reading stories of people with swank 3d projector setups that fill a big part of their fov while doing regular gaming makes me thirsty.
You might enjoy this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTG1JxW5AtI
Someone managed to mod vr support into a dk2, I haven't tried it yet but imagine it would be pretty cool.
lol at the guys in the video, they sound giddy toward the end. Would love to try that out.
Yes, this exactly. I can't wait for VR to take off. I can tell I will instantly be hooked.
robertlebrone
Member
I had a 3D monitor for a while, it was pretty cool. It gave me headaches after a while and didn't play too nice with my glasses though. I'm not interested in anything else like that unless I can use it without sticking another bulky device over my head.
No hidden agendas here, I'm just genuinely interested in understanding what you think a 3D monitor has to do with VR? Because with two years of VR experience, to me the comparison doesn't quite make sense.
I write this often in VR discussions, but it is a key point:
Investment / Reward, that's the only important measurement we need to take into consideration.
3DTV glasses = Slightly annoying to wear, and basically no reward (outside first week of curiosity)
VR HMD = Can be slightly uncomfortable to wear, but potentially very high rewards
I mean, just think about it:
Space suit in space (re-using that example for good reason) = Horrendous form factor, but priceless experience and extremely high reward.......
I think, given the hypothetical opportunity, very few people would say no to go to space using the ergonomics of space suits as an argument against
When I'm in VR doing a great experience like f.ex. Elite Dangerous or Assetto Corsa, it doesn't even cross my mind that I'm wearing "something on my head" (I did 5 hours with a DK2 HMD a couple of months ago..). That's the power of a good VR experience. And we haven't even gotten to the CVs yet.
eyeball_kid
Member
To be honest with you, I was really addicted to it at first. It's sort of like a drug, now I want to move to the harder thing, the Oculus Rift or Vive. I hadn't thought about it before that moment, but there will be some serious VR addictions by the time we're all old men and women, probably sooner. It definitely not a joke and I think it should be something on our minds.
I love it! lmao
If I learned anything from this thread it was this. I hope this is the case when consumer products start coming out. It certainly wasn't the case with the Gear VR.
An addiction mainly occurs when the use of the thing causes us disfunction.
I mean... i doubt most people would be diagnosed with addiction to electricity or piped water and plumbing even though were absolutely dependent on it.
I should preface this with saying I've actually never had an opportunity to try VR yet.
I think VR will become amazing for movies/interactive presentations, even browing online. I think it will eventually be great for games, but that it's likely a long time down the line.
I have absolute zero interest in hololens type augmented reality games. Like an alien bursting through my wall and I pick up a gun that isn't there to shoot it. Yes that'd be cool the first time but I can't see myself going back to it repeatedly. The best implementation I can imagine for this would be a centre where you have team based laser tag-esque augmented reality games, with you and your friends going through well constructed physical arenas while fighting AI enemies.
As far as gaming at home, I think there's currently too much of a weird disconnect between controls/movement and VR.
If I'm in a FPS it seems weird thinking that I'd be forced to use a mouse or other controller to control my aim/reticule while at the same time be able to freelook around the place, it seems to me like there is a big disconnect there that would pull me out of the game. This doesn't count for elite where you're flying a ship but looking around within the cockpit.
I also don't want to get home from a day at work and run on an omnidirectional treadmill to get around a virtual world. There needs to be some sort of balance to make it truly immersive.
I think VR will become amazing for movies/interactive presentations, even browing online. I think it will eventually be great for games, but that it's likely a long time down the line.
I have absolute zero interest in hololens type augmented reality games. Like an alien bursting through my wall and I pick up a gun that isn't there to shoot it. Yes that'd be cool the first time but I can't see myself going back to it repeatedly. The best implementation I can imagine for this would be a centre where you have team based laser tag-esque augmented reality games, with you and your friends going through well constructed physical arenas while fighting AI enemies.
As far as gaming at home, I think there's currently too much of a weird disconnect between controls/movement and VR.
If I'm in a FPS it seems weird thinking that I'd be forced to use a mouse or other controller to control my aim/reticule while at the same time be able to freelook around the place, it seems to me like there is a big disconnect there that would pull me out of the game. This doesn't count for elite where you're flying a ship but looking around within the cockpit.
I also don't want to get home from a day at work and run on an omnidirectional treadmill to get around a virtual world. There needs to be some sort of balance to make it truly immersive.
Birgitte2004
Member
I can't help but think of the Wii, with Wii Sports.
It blew people away on first use. Where did that get the Wii and motion controls long-term?
Yes, you can make arguments as to why that won't happen...but it's all speculation. If people don't know what to do with VR, or don't use it properly, it won't have a long-term impact.
And mock it all you like, it does have the 3D problem where if it doesn't take off it becomes harder and harder for corporations to convince themselves to continue supporting it.
It blew people away on first use. Where did that get the Wii and motion controls long-term?
Yes, you can make arguments as to why that won't happen...but it's all speculation. If people don't know what to do with VR, or don't use it properly, it won't have a long-term impact.
And mock it all you like, it does have the 3D problem where if it doesn't take off it becomes harder and harder for corporations to convince themselves to continue supporting it.
gunslikewhoa
Member
I can't help but think of the radio, television, or smartphone.
I'm new be nice
Member
Into VR?
Everything is an evolution of something that came before it. VR will be no different. The technology will evolve and change as the years go by.
What's being done today will be incorporated into what's being done tomorrow, just like the Wii's motion controls.
CentralScrutinizer
Member
The reason why I'd never fully support is purely health related. My eyesight is already being damaged by playing video games in general; the last thing I need is a screen nearly glued to my eyeballs.
The Wii did amazing and reached reasonable market saturation.
Motion controls? More relevant than ever with vr.
It wasn't motion controls that were a bad idea, it was that they were applied to the wrong medium (2d screens).