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Ay yo. Billionaire. Give me $$$

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Staccat0

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You ever think about how a fucking billionaire should just give you a little bit of that money?

Hit me up billionaire. Where you at?

(Joking aside, I uswd to think about this a lot when I was poor, and wonder if anyone else does when they are having a bad day.

You ever get frustrated and think "It's fucking bullshit someone literally has billions of dollars and I'm over here rolling pennies" or what?)

#Bootstraps

Edit: This is a thread isn't a stealth attempt to get advice. It's about a silly thought people have sometimes. If you still wanna help me - GIVE ME $50 Bill Gates.
 
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Jobbs

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Staccat0 said:
You ever think about how a fucking billionaire should just give you a little bit of that money.

Hit me up billionaire. Where you at?

(Joking aside, I uswd to think about this a lot when I was poor and wonder if anyone else does when they are having a bad day.

You ever get frustrated and think "It's fucking bullshit someone literally has billions of dollars and I'm over here rolling pennies)

#Bootstraps
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Go sleep it off.
 
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TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared

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In my experience, rich people are stingy people on things like that. The people with the most money I know (anecdotal evidence bullshit etc) are the ones who never put their hands in their pockets to buy a round, or pay back money owed, and always ask to borrow a few quid. Thats how they stay rich innit.
 
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sirap

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You don't get rich giving handouts.

Unless you're
Bill Gates

I'll never be a millionaire either. I keep buying shit I don't need...
 
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danowat

Banned
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared said:
In my experience, rich people are stingy people on things like that. The people with the most money I know (anecdotal evidence bullshit etc) are the ones who never put their hands in their pockets to buy a round, or pay back money owed, and always ask to borrow a few quid. Thats how they stay rich innit.
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I was going to post the very same thing!
 
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Omni

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I believe there should be limits to how much wealth a person has. It's ridiculous the amount of money some of those people have

but yanno.
 
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revolverjgw

Member
Roll call for whoever read the title in Razor Ramon's voice

Razor-Ramon-Black-Dressing.jpg
 
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Tabris

Member
Income inequality is definitely at too much of an extreme now. But if they were paying their fair share back to society, then I wouldn't care.

Tax code should look like:

0 to 25k - 0% (this is the important one that most people forget as they always focus on the middle class)
25k to 50k - 15%
50k to 75k - 20%
100k to 200k - 30%
200k to 1m - 40%
1m + - 50%

And since so many people don't understand how most modern income tax brackets work, everyone is in the first bracket and the first 25k would be taxed at 0%, then the next 25k would be taxed at 15%, then the next 25k would be taxed at 20%, etc, etc. So the person who makes 1.2 million only has 200k of that 1.2 million taxed at 50%, 800k taxed at 50%, 100k taxed at 30%, etc.

And then an ideal world it works like this:

Basic Income 25k - 0% (this amount is provided by government for everyone and jobs just provide additional income)
Additional Income 0 to 25k - 10%
Additional Income 25k to 50k - 20%
etc
etc
Additional Income 1m onward - 50%

So that way those that are working help subsidize society so everyone can have a base foundation quality of life and you eliminate poverty as it is, but you still have the capitalistic concept of haves and have nots that drive greed that drives ambition and innovation.

Capitalistic Socialism is the future.
 
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Subpar Scrub

Banned
Staccat0 said:
No I didn't! I said I used to think that back when I was poor and would have a bad day. My day was grand - I'm gonna play board games all day.
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"wonder if anyone else does when they are having a bad day."

Just figured you were wondering about it because you were having a bad day, all good OP.

Enjoy those board games, which ones are you playing?
 
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danowat

Banned
Tabris said:
Income inequality is definitely at too much of an extreme now. But if they were paying their fair share back to society, then I wouldn't care.

Tax code should look like:

0 to 25k - 0% (this is the important one that most people forget as they always focus on the middle class)
25k to 50k - 15%
50k to 75k - 20%
100k to 200k - 30%
200k to 1m - 40%
1m + - 50%

And since so many people don't understand how most modern income tax brackets work, everyone is in the first bracket and the first 25k would be taxed at 0%, then the next 25k would be taxed at 15%, then the next 25k would be taxed at 20%, etc, etc. So the person who makes 1.2 million only has 200k of that 1.2 million taxed at 50%.

And then an ideal world it works like this:

Basic Income 25k - 0% (this amount is provided by government for everyone and jobs just provide additional income)
Additional Income 0 to 25k - 10%
Additional Income 25k to 50k - 20%
etc
etc
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I had a discussion the other day with someone about tax, and they said that why should they have to pay more tax than me because they earn more.

I just shook my head and walked away.
 
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Staccat0

Fail out bailed
RhynoTheStriker said:
"wonder if anyone else does when they are having a bad day."

Just figured you were wondering about it because you were having a bad day, all good OP.

Enjoy those board games, which ones are you playing?
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Sounds like I'm gonna be learning some Orleans baby! Maybe play a little Brass if I'm feeling frisky enough.
 
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I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared said:
In my experience, rich people are stingy people on things like that. The people with the most money I know (anecdotal evidence bullshit etc) are the ones who never put their hands in their pockets to buy a round, or pay back money owed, and always ask to borrow a few quid. Thats how they stay rich innit.
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I think compared to most of gaf, I would be considered 'rich'. I sometimes read threads about how people are struggling on here and 99% of the time it's as simple as 'if only I had more money.' I often think if there was a safe, anonymous way to donate real sums of money (like not $100 on paypal, but like $10k), and there was a guarantee it'd be used right, I would. The issues are this:

-It's the internet so you must assume everyone is lying.
-I don't want any personal info whatsoever released as only bad things happen when people know you have money.
-Proper accounting and tax treatment.
-Then there's just the basic thought of will this person even properly use this money or just piss it away.

Just to be clear, I do plenty of charity and philanthropy events, as do billionaires. The reason I choose to do it that way, and I'm sure it's the same for others, is because we have more control and 'trust' as to how our money is used than me simply throwing $5k at a random gaf member.

If you're really just talking about people with money not buying food and shit, it's because eventually people start taking advantage of the fact that paying a couple hundred a night on food or entertainment really means nothing. Which is fine, it's nice to treat friends, just not nice to be taken advantage of.
 
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JoseLopez

Member
Tabris said:
Income inequality is definitely at too much of an extreme now. But if they were paying their fair share back to society, then I wouldn't care.

Tax code should look like:

0 to 25k - 0% (this is the important one that most people forget as they always focus on the middle class)
25k to 50k - 15%
50k to 75k - 20%
100k to 200k - 30%
200k to 1m - 40%
1m + - 50%

And since so many people don't understand how most modern income tax brackets work, everyone is in the first bracket and the first 25k would be taxed at 0%, then the next 25k would be taxed at 15%, then the next 25k would be taxed at 20%, etc, etc. So the person who makes 1.2 million only has 200k of that 1.2 million taxed at 50%, 800k taxed at 50%, 100k taxed at 30%, etc.

And then an ideal world it works like this:

Basic Income 25k - 0% (this amount is provided by government for everyone and jobs just provide additional income)
Additional Income 0 to 25k - 10%
Additional Income 25k to 50k - 20%
etc
etc
Additional Income 1m onward - 50%

So that way those that are working help subsidize society so everyone can have a base foundation quality of life and you eliminate poverty as it is, but you still have the capitalistic concept of haves and have nots that drive greed that drives ambition and innovation.

Capitalistic Socialism is the future.
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Adult Cirque du soleil
 
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Tabris

Member
danowat said:
I had a discussion the other day with someone about tax, and they said that why should they have to pay more tax than me because they earn more.

I just shook my head and walked away.
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There was a thread recently on this on GAF and a huge chunk of people just realized how it worked. I guarantee you a huge majority of the people who fight taxes against the wealthy think they move brackets which changes their rate on all income.

Also this quote applies:

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

So in a weird sense, they think that higher tax (which they don't understand how it works) would apply to them someday.
 
Scarecrow

Scarecrow

Member
Staccat0 said:
I'm not worried nor am I stressed - we are talking about how the goddamn illuminati won't cut a sliiiiiiiice.
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Haha, ya, you're right. I've always assumed that if/when I ever get rich, I'd be stingy with it as well. There's tons out there who would have no shame masquerading as friends to get a piece. I'm sure as heck not gonna give all my ill gotten gains to the poors!

Kyoufu said:
Money is a major worry for people that don't have any of it.
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I hear that. That's been a real perspective change since I started teaching across the world. $1 can go pretty far in some places I've been. I can ride my motorcycle here for $1 a week. America might be too expensive to live in.
 
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Staccat0

Fail out bailed
I'm an expert said:
I think compared to most of gaf, I would be considered 'rich'. I sometimes read threads about how people are struggling on here and 99% of the time it's as simple as 'if only I had more money.' I often think if there was a safe, anonymous way to donate real sums of money (like not $100 on paypal, but like $10k), and there was a guarantee it'd be used right, I would. The issues are this:

-It's the internet so you must assume everyone is lying.
-I don't want any personal info whatsoever released as only bad things happen when people know you have money.
-Proper accounting and tax treatment.
-Then there's just the basic thought of will this person even properly use this money or just piss it away.

Just to be clear, I do plenty of charity and philanthropy events, as do billionaires. The reason I choose to do it that way, and I'm sure it's the same for others, is because we have more control and 'trust' as to how our money is used than me simply throwing $5k at a random gaf member.
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MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST DRIVE YOUR YACHT TO THE GRAND PIANO STORE

Fer real though. Congrats on the good fortune. I don't think anybody here means to put you on blast. You can't just go around giving strangers money.
 
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Chariot

Member
Tabris said:
Income inequality is definitely at too much of an extreme now. But if they were paying their fair share back to society, then I wouldn't care.

Tax code should look like:

0 to 25k - 0% (this is the important one that most people forget as they always focus on the middle class)
25k to 50k - 15%
50k to 75k - 20%
100k to 200k - 30%
200k to 1m - 40%
1m + - 50%

And since so many people don't understand how most modern income tax brackets work, everyone is in the first bracket and the first 25k would be taxed at 0%, then the next 25k would be taxed at 15%, then the next 25k would be taxed at 20%, etc, etc. So the person who makes 1.2 million only has 200k of that 1.2 million taxed at 50%, 800k taxed at 50%, 100k taxed at 30%, etc.

And then an ideal world it works like this:

Basic Income 25k - 0% (this amount is provided by government for everyone and jobs just provide additional income)
Additional Income 0 to 25k - 10%
Additional Income 25k to 50k - 20%
etc
etc
Additional Income 1m onward - 50%

So that way those that are working help subsidize society so everyone can have a base foundation quality of life and you eliminate poverty as it is, but you still have the capitalistic concept of haves and have nots that drive greed that drives ambition and innovation.

Capitalistic Socialism is the future.
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Aye!
 
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Tabris

Member
I hear that. That's been a real perspective change since I started teaching across the world. $1 can go pretty far in some places I've been. America might be too expensive to live in.
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America is extremely cheap to live in (outside of SF and NY) compared to the rest of the world.

Canada, Australia, Europe, and the richer regions of Asia are all much more expensive to live in compared to America. America also has a lower quality of life for the average person so it matches up.
 
20cent

20cent

Banned
Scarecrow said:
There will always be someone richer than you until you're Bill Gates. Stop worrying about money and relax.
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There are some people way way richer than Bill Gates even if they are not on the "official" richestest list (doing legal business).
 
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JoseLopez

Member
I'm an expert said:
I think compared to most of gaf, I would be considered 'rich'. I sometimes read threads about how people are struggling on here and 99% of the time it's as simple as 'if only I had more money.' I often think if there was a safe, anonymous way to donate real sums of money (like not $100 on paypal, but like $10k), and there was a guarantee it'd be used right, I would. The issues are this:

-It's the internet so you must assume everyone is lying.
-I don't want any personal info whatsoever released as only bad things happen when people know you have money.
-Proper accounting and tax treatment.
-Then there's just the basic thought of will this person even properly use this money or just piss it away.

Just to be clear, I do plenty of charity and philanthropy events, as do billionaires. The reason I choose to do it that way, and I'm sure it's the same for others, is because we have more control and 'trust' as to how our money is used than me simply throwing $5k at a random gaf member.

If you're really just talking about people with money not buying food and shit, it's because eventually people start taking advantage of the fact that paying a couple hundred a night on food or entertainment really means nothing. Which is fine, it's nice to treat friends, just not nice to be taken advantage of.
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please give me money sir I'm a young boy and I need a Wii u
 
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Ishan

Junior Member
Staccat0 said:
You ever think about how a fucking billionaire should just give you a little bit of that money?

Hit me up billionaire. Where you at?

(Joking aside, I uswd to think about this a lot when I was poor, and wonder if anyone else does when they are having a bad day.

You ever get frustrated and think "It's fucking bullshit someone literally has billions of dollars and I'm over here rolling pennies" or what?)

#Bootstraps

Edit: This is a thread isn't a stealth attempt to get advice. It's about a silly thought people have sometimes. If you still wanna help me - GIVE ME $50 Bill Gates.
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You're on gaf . You have it better than a good 70 probably 80-90% of the worlds population . There is always someone richer / in history/future/galaxy universe etc .
 
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I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Staccat0 said:
MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST DRIVE YOUR YACHT TO THE GRAND PIANO STORE

Fer real though. Congrats on the good fortune. I don't think anybody here means to put you on blast. You can't just go around giving strangers money.
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I mean you're not wrong. Bill Gates could give you $1mil and it wouldn't affect him. The issue is who also is not going to be affected by that $1mil. The school children he could have given it to, the church, the poor village, etc. At that point there's no difference between $1mil and $1. Why give you the $1 when there's more opportunity for good somewhere else. Not that you're not deserving of it. You may be. I've read some gaf stories here where, if the world was perfect and beautiful and right, they should be given some financial relief. Unfortunately there are countless people out there that need that same relief. So it's very hard to sort of justify who gets what and who doesn't.

It'd be nice if society as a whole helped those people, not a few random individuals. Like some of you mentioned, funneling wealth back in.
 
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Tabris

Member
Oh, and that tax code should be uniform without incentives. Incentivize some other way then adjustments to effective tax rates. Everyone should pay the same percents.

The counter argument would be things like "well nobody would give to charity then" and I think socially conscious consumers that drive charity PR from companies do more of that then a tax credit.

Also you shouldn't need charity if you remove poverty from your government via basic income and instead use that tax revenue that you would give back from charitable giving instead towards international aid so the flow of charity is more accountable.

And if you want to incentivize spending on things like home renovation, home buying, etc then discount sales and property transfer taxes then income. If you want to incentivize businesses to expand, then discount corporate tax rates. We need to get rid of the concept of effective income tax rates and it should be standardized. No loopholes.
 
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Ishan

Junior Member
Staccat0 said:
NO WAY
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So reliable access to internet/electricity (gaf user) into video games (gaf user) so knows a life which does not involve constant armed conflict constantly being malnourished not knowing were the next meal comes from at least currently while posting ... Ability to even know the concept of bill gates (somewhat educated and aware) ... Those don't make you better off than what a lot of the world faces ? Not saying you have it easy at all ... Please keep that in mind not saying your life is easy.... But dude lots of shit out there .
 
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danowat

Banned
I think the idea of what constitutes poor, at least in wealthy countries, has changed, today people say they are poor if they can't afford the latest large TV, smart phone, or a foreign holiday.

When I was a kid, we were poor, I can remember having no electricity or hot water because we couldn't afford the power costs, but at least we had a roof over our heads.
 
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Staccat0

Fail out bailed
I'm an expert said:
I mean you're not wrong. Bill Gates could give you $1mil and it wouldn't affect him. The issue is who also is not going to be affected by that $1mil. The school children he could have given it to, the church, the poor village, etc. At that point there's no difference between $1mil and $1. Why give you the $1 when there's more opportunity for good somewhere else. Not that you're not deserving of it. You may be. I've read some gaf stories here where, if the world was perfect and beautiful and right, they should be given some financial relief. Unfortunately there are countless people out there that need that same relief. So it's very hard to sort of justify who gets what and who doesn't.
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Ugggghhhhh you are making me have a serious concersation, haha.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm doing pretty well these days and I'm prooooobbably about to get a new job that will put me in a different zone.

I just had a daughter, I'm and making good money with a job people would kill for and it had me thinking.

My wife and I have been trying to be more charitable lately. She has been donating her breast milk and I signed up to volunteer and help refugees coming to Dallas. I suppose I could just go around giving $ to homeless people - and maybe I should morally - but I mostly just buy people dinner and and then if they catch me with cash.
 
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