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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 6 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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Emerson's Essentia
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Well that plays into their characterizations. You don't buy their motivations because they're so beanpole that you don't buy the characters. Their constant mean mugging just feels like some super-contrived appeal to feminism or something similar.
Hasphat'sAnts
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We could either grab an extra and do the scene in 40 seconds, or we can spend hundreds of thousands on CGI or hours upon hours of makeup and prosthetics work for a 15 second shot.
c'mon son.
The Lamonster
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Her face looked pretty similar to the actress, though.
Remember that they went out of their way to CGI a body double on Cersei last season during the shame walk.
The episode was decent I guess. No big start, but more setting up and checking in with (almost) all the players. That's fine with me as long as it doesn't take too long for stuff to pop off. If we get 2 more episode of this, that would be problematic.
And yeah, the sand snake stuff was handled poorly. They didn't show how the two managed to get on board of the boat, and I was confused for a bit when that scene happened. That could have used some more explanation. Also, the ruler of Dorne being hated by his people was very unclear, and could have used some more set up in last season. I still think they are going directly against the will of Oberyn, and are just lying to themselves that what they are doing would be what he would have wanted in order to justify their actions.
And yeah, the sand snake stuff was handled poorly. They didn't show how the two managed to get on board of the boat, and I was confused for a bit when that scene happened. That could have used some more explanation. Also, the ruler of Dorne being hated by his people was very unclear, and could have used some more set up in last season. I still think they are going directly against the will of Oberyn, and are just lying to themselves that what they are doing would be what he would have wanted in order to justify their actions.
poppabk
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I think the main problem is that lame fight in the last season that just completely failed to sell them as deadly skilled warriors. If that had been Bronn's first fight on screen it would be hard to take his bravado seriously either, even though he is a much better actor.
I thought it was a pretty decent start to the season. There is only ONE thing that my friend and I nitpicked from it. Since this is the first season that does not have a book attached to it, it felt like the dialogue was... simple. George R.R. Martin can craft some pretty complex dialogue, but without any source material they had to make it up and you could tell. I kind of cringe at the Dothraki in particular. Anyone else feel this way?
I liked the episode, but yeah the Dorne stuff bothered me...especially the two Sand Snakes showing up on Trystane's boat.
The end reveal has kind of stuck with me. I'm not a book reader but I'd be curious to see if that gets used in the future.
The end reveal has kind of stuck with me. I'm not a book reader but I'd be curious to see if that gets used in the future.
I agree, the Dothraki did not seem consistent with their earlier portrayal at all. But I get that they may just be a different Khalasar with a slightly different culture.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yes.
Pamplemousse
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Idk. They did the CGI thing for the Cersei nude walk. And who wants to be known as the old, saggy Meli for the rest of her life? It looked kinda CG to me.
maximum360
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There's almost no good news at all this episode. Lol.
I think we're in need of a thread rename:
Game of Thrones IOTI Season 6 - ...and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
I think we're in need of a thread rename:
Game of Thrones IOTI Season 6 - ...and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
They've been making up dialogue since the first episode of the first season.
BobTheFork
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The belligerence and arrogance of the Night's Watch has been building and building and it's just getting stupid.
You would think Hardhome would be the last straw and they can't deny the truth and nothing is more important than saving everyone from the walkers.
No, because letting wildlings through the gate who agree not to kill us is going to destroy EVERYTHING!
Holding on to some principle like that is just going too far to be believable now.
Decent opener. We weren't going to get anything super important yet. They have set us up fine. I can't see Dorne being important though.
You would think Hardhome would be the last straw and they can't deny the truth and nothing is more important than saving everyone from the walkers.
No, because letting wildlings through the gate who agree not to kill us is going to destroy EVERYTHING!
Holding on to some principle like that is just going too far to be believable now.
Decent opener. We weren't going to get anything super important yet. They have set us up fine. I can't see Dorne being important though.
SlimySnake
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I am not saying those plotlines aren't important. But in all of the discussion after last season's finale how many articles did you read about what Brienne might be up to next season? I can promise you not nearly as many as articles written on Jon Snow.
The point i was trying to make with the Breaking Bad comparison was that the season before also ended on a cliffhanger. They could've waited a couple of episodes to have that confrontation but they didnt. They knew that a season opener has to be something exciting. It's tv 101. you start and end the season with a bang.
I am not saying this was a bad episode. It's just not how you start off a season. the show is supposed to get every psyched. they failed to do that.
You're projecting your impatience and unrealistic expectations on others.
I think the motivations for Ellaria and Tyene are as wide as Oberyn's collapsed face.
I think the motivations for Ellaria and Tyene are as wide as Oberyn's collapsed face.
I have to wonder if Thorne and his like act this way, because they still aren't 100% sure the WW/Dead exist. They weren't in Hardhome. I imagine the guys in the room with Davos are there, because they were.
Wonder if it would have been smarter to capture one of the dead, chain it up, and parade it through the 7 kingdoms, warning there are hundreds of thousands of these things, and they are coming. Maybe then people would listen.
Trystane was also in Dorne in the last episode of last season.
I didn't realize Dorne only had one ship.
borborygmus
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Yeah, they weren't in Hardhome, but they were there when they had to defend against a gazillion wildlings. Not that they aren't massive assholes, but I get their motivations.
Does it? It's pretty clear that the Dornes will declare war with the Lannisters.
Were the Sand Snakes recast? They didn't seem like the same actresses.
I thought the Dorne subplot popped off pretty quickly, and kind of redeemed them spending so much time on it -- with seemingly little pay off -- last year.
Most of those guys weren't at Hardhome, but did fight -- and lose men to -- the Wildlings in S4. Not to mention any other Wildling skirmish in their history.
I thought the Dorne subplot popped off pretty quickly, and kind of redeemed them spending so much time on it -- with seemingly little pay off -- last year.
Most of those guys weren't at Hardhome, but did fight -- and lose men to -- the Wildlings in S4. Not to mention any other Wildling skirmish in their history.
BobTheFork
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That would have been a good idea. Yeah, maybe Thorne hasn't actually seen it but even in Season 1, Commander Mormont had a wright attack him and they burned it in the yard. You'd think that's all Thorne needs. I don't think they are trying to play the character like he still has reservations about the truth...he's just being an asshole.
Also I wish Arya being taunted was a bit more clever. It was like a big flashing sign that said 'GUESS WHO'S GOING TO LEARN HOW TO STAFF FIGHT?'
Lister
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Not a scholar of human history, are you?
It's entirely too believable. People want to maintian the status quo for as long as possible in light of change. They want to keep playing at knights of the watch, because that's all they've known for a long time, their actual purpose - to do everything in their power to prevent the white walkers from heading south, is twisted so as to maintain that statu quo.
Jon was smart enough to recognize that tough decisions had to be made, the rest are dumb as rocks. And that is all very human and very belivable because it happens all the time. And that's before you tak einto account some very rela tensions and hatreds between the two factions.
No.
TimeEffect
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Yeah, the Dorne girl saying "you're a greedy bitch, ya know that??" felt like it was some out of place comedy piece.
That and the bush discussion by the dothraki dudes
LyleLanley
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I appreciate how committed the writers are to making everything the sand snakes say completely awful.
An alright first episode I suppose. There's a lot of things I didn't quite like though, or seemed half assed compared to what the show used to be in S1-3.
The Dorne storyline still feels like a joke. Yes technically there's nothing wrong with Trystane being on a boat, but with the number of people asking about it, I think an establishing shot or line was needed. It's also just a bummer seeing those shitty Dorne characters take over. I don't mind Ellaria as much, but the sand snakes are terrible. Also it was really convenient writing to have them kill Doran right when a letter arrived presumably talking about Myrcella.
Sansa/Theon continues to be questionable. So they hand wave them jumping off the castle, which I guess I expected. I still thought that was shot terribly. You can't show one character brutally fucking smashed and then have them go higher and jump off without explanation. I know, I know. Snow. Well most of the time snow isn't that fucking fluffy that you could jump off that and be fine. Even if it was, there are better ways to shoot that. Anyway, that was a last season complaint. This season they trudge through a fucking frozen lake and apparently all's fine despite them staying outside in the cold the whole time. Ok... The whole scene with the hounds (that inexplicably disappear) was just dumb. It felt like a joke. They create this dire situation where Sansa should run and then blow it up in this joke of like "Oh she's right over there durr" thing. Pod's sword fighting on the horse looked kind of bad, and there were a few other weird things in there (did Theon's sword go through a shield at one point?)
Then the oath. This would be a good point to have Sansa turn a corner and be a bit more of a leader but she bumbles through even though she's supposed to be the one that knows all of this sort of 'high born' stuff. And she even looks questioningly to Theon at one point as if for permission or something. Ugh.
Who wrote the dialogue for the Dothraki? A 10 year old? Seriously? Ugh. And it feels really weird that they'd just believe Dany after saying she was married to Khal Drogo just like that. Emilia Clarke didn't do too well acting that part either.
Melisandre reveal was cool. Davos was great as usual.
The Dorne storyline still feels like a joke. Yes technically there's nothing wrong with Trystane being on a boat, but with the number of people asking about it, I think an establishing shot or line was needed. It's also just a bummer seeing those shitty Dorne characters take over. I don't mind Ellaria as much, but the sand snakes are terrible. Also it was really convenient writing to have them kill Doran right when a letter arrived presumably talking about Myrcella.
Sansa/Theon continues to be questionable. So they hand wave them jumping off the castle, which I guess I expected. I still thought that was shot terribly. You can't show one character brutally fucking smashed and then have them go higher and jump off without explanation. I know, I know. Snow. Well most of the time snow isn't that fucking fluffy that you could jump off that and be fine. Even if it was, there are better ways to shoot that. Anyway, that was a last season complaint. This season they trudge through a fucking frozen lake and apparently all's fine despite them staying outside in the cold the whole time. Ok... The whole scene with the hounds (that inexplicably disappear) was just dumb. It felt like a joke. They create this dire situation where Sansa should run and then blow it up in this joke of like "Oh she's right over there durr" thing. Pod's sword fighting on the horse looked kind of bad, and there were a few other weird things in there (did Theon's sword go through a shield at one point?)
Then the oath. This would be a good point to have Sansa turn a corner and be a bit more of a leader but she bumbles through even though she's supposed to be the one that knows all of this sort of 'high born' stuff. And she even looks questioningly to Theon at one point as if for permission or something. Ugh.
Who wrote the dialogue for the Dothraki? A 10 year old? Seriously? Ugh. And it feels really weird that they'd just believe Dany after saying she was married to Khal Drogo just like that. Emilia Clarke didn't do too well acting that part either.
Melisandre reveal was cool. Davos was great as usual.
What convenience? Doran reading the letter is what prompted her to kill him right then and there.
So they just waited around for that exact moment? Like... why would you take that chance? You're not going to be there every second he opens the mail. If he gets that letter and beefs up security before you know it, you're fucked. Why would they not just stab him right away when they had a chance?
Look, it was for convenient writing. It was for the audience to think "Oooooh now she's gonna get it" and then she doesn't. That's the explanation for it.
TimeEffect
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It must be weird seeing last season's ender and this one. Lots of suspenseful cliffhangers (like jumping off the damn castle) that must feel very disjointed with this episode.
I dont know if I'm just being hypersensitive now that this show is running on its own material, or since this show is 6 seasons in and I'm expecting it to lose quality as shows tend to do...
But it was very strange watching Sansa and Theon run away. The dogs are barking behind them somewhere, so they HAVE to be very close, yet they manage to gingerly pass a freezing river (the acting looked terrible in this scene).
They somehow are totally fine after they cross, not drooping wet as they should be, and still manage to run some more.
You would also think that they've been running for quite some time under all that heavy clothing (Sansa particularly).
I guess I'm just bothered by the added sound of the hounds on their tale. The scene could have been better without it as it cheapened the tension IMO.
Maybe Im just being too hypersensitive, but Im noticing a lot of these things that make the show feel way too typical.
There was an establishing shot of the boat in the Kings Landing harbor.
Sansa has never been portrayed at the type of person who spent hours studying history and the rules of etiquette. In fact, they showed as the opposite in season 1. She was also in shock from the escape and near recapture, so it actually made total sense for Podrick (who did learn all about that stuff while serving Tyrion) to help her in that situation.
soundscream
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Nah, we've been drawing porn since cave man times.
DeathByBacklog
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Full body prosthetics. There's all sorts of interviews regarding it.
The Artisan
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kinda sorta funny, just saw my coworker checking this thread out...hehe
DeathByBacklog
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I feel like they're going for really cheap tension at every second rather than good writing and tension when it makes sense. Sansa and Theon running away is already tense enough. Do we really need to throw in a fucking unbelievable frozen river? Do you need to make Theon's terrible last stand literally 5 feet away from Sansa?
Same thing with the letter I talked about in my previous post. It's cheap tension not real tension. Story-wise it makes no sense and is simply there to get you to think one thing and then the show says "GOTCHA! Wasn't that great! You thought the other thing was going to happen, but it totally didn't. High five!"
Same thing with the letter I talked about in my previous post. It's cheap tension not real tension. Story-wise it makes no sense and is simply there to get you to think one thing and then the show says "GOTCHA! Wasn't that great! You thought the other thing was going to happen, but it totally didn't. High five!"
The Lamonster
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Samurai G0SU
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FIRE THEM.
Hopefully wearing purple gloves.
The Artisan
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LOL...if anything bruh the power level is the other way around
Pretty sure it was from the 'inside the episode' afterwards.
Ha, that Theon last stand was hilarious.. Goodbye hug and not literally 10 seconds later the hounds have her..
Samurai G0SU
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LOL...if anything bruh the power level is the other way around
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife. jk. well maybe you can leverage this to get that raise
It's still a bit weird he'd be sitting in that boat. They wouldn't take him into somewhere safer in the city? Also, there's still the problem with the Sand Snakes being way too fucking powerful and apparently sneaky. It's like the 20 good men for Ramsay thing. This ship should have been well guarded both by Trystane and by the Lannisters because of what happened, but somehow these two idiots are able to come in pretty easily it seems. It's not really a plothole because I suppose it could happen, just all these things combined seems to kill the reality this show is supposed to be grounded in.
I think that's the biggest problem now. The show started and was loved for being real and gritty and anyone can die. Now you've got 20 good men taking on an army of one of the best generals in westeros. You've got Sansa and Theon trudging through a frozen river. You've got the Sand Snakes making it past any and all guards to kill the prince of Dorne.
This is another one that can technically be hand waved, but I'm not saying it's a glaring hole. I'm saying I would prefer Sansa turn a fucking corner here like she was going to do last season before the rape scene. The helpless puppy routine has got really old by now.
And ten seconds later the hounds are gone.
Seriously, stop building tension with things you're going to fucking hand wave a few seconds later. The hounds were explicitly mentioned a bunch of times as the threat, not the guards. Then they disappear? WTF? The river is a big source of tension and then nothing. WTF? This is beyond terrible writing. If you're not going to deal with he consequences of your tension building shit then don't use it.
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