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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
- Thread starter Burbeting
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Huh? Have you not been reading my posts? I was exasperated because it seemed like I was being used as a scum shield to take the heat off Sawneeks, if the heat ever reached her. Is that so hard to understand? Would it make more sense of I said I wasn't frustrated, just damn jolly? Man, I can't wait for another round of 'why rng', let's just go round the fire and dance? That's nonsense.
And I had something to do after I initially posted, came back to the thread expecting the game to end at 5 EST and faltered. So what? And you said, why then, why not then? I came back, went into the thread and started a post explaining my previous post.
Why are you so hung up on the time though?
Learn to read.
So why did you go for the inactive?? You had the ability to go for Melon but instead you stumbled on over to Bronx who was, imo, a very easy lynch target considering he was gone most of the Day.
I'm reiterating what Gorlak is saying but he makes a good point about that Melon discussion you keep wanting to discuss. Since he already got to the question I would have asked, I would like to see these discussion points you keep saying you wanted to bring up the last Day phase but didn't have the time to.
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I vote for who I believe is Scummy. Out of the 4 that were up on the previous Day phase ( Topo, Sophia, Bronx, and a No lynch option ) I was not as confident in any of them as I was about my scum read on you.
If you're really that concerned about 'safe voters' then you have a very large pool of people to look at. Gorlak, LP, Topo, Dusk, Melon, and FireBlend just to name those that were the only one to have a vote on a single person at Day End. You even called out Dusk on Day 1, not gonna follow up on that?
Or we can go back to yelling at each other since it looks like that's what you want. <3
Ferret is implying that if you end up flipping Scum it doesn't mean that he is Scum with you. I currently Town read you so I don't believe that you and Ferret are Scum Buddies but on the chance that I'm wrong I wanted to point that out.
El Topo let's cut the crap. This discussion won't help us in finding scum.
Pikachu is without a doubt the most well known Pkmn around the world. Yet within the fandom of Pkmn everyone agrees that Charizard is the cool guy. Look at various charts and votes, he's adored more than Pikachu, because he is useful in fights and really strong.
Anyway I'd say Pikachu would get another ability like not being able to be caught or something like that, but even that doesn't matter.
As you've clearly noted, I want Sophia to spill out more about her claim. I simply don't believe her, especially with that poor reasoning as to why she claimed.
Pikachu is without a doubt the most well known Pkmn around the world. Yet within the fandom of Pkmn everyone agrees that Charizard is the cool guy. Look at various charts and votes, he's adored more than Pikachu, because he is useful in fights and really strong.
Anyway I'd say Pikachu would get another ability like not being able to be caught or something like that, but even that doesn't matter.
As you've clearly noted, I want Sophia to spill out more about her claim. I simply don't believe her, especially with that poor reasoning as to why she claimed.
Just because you claim something doesn't mean it's true, not even if you throw in the old "real fans" line.
It's not that I'm trying to be difficult, but that I'm trying to have a discourse. As for your vote, I can tell you at this point that it absolutely does not help town, like, at all. What's different from a vote and a post analysis? One is a subjective opinion by a poster, the other is town's greatest weapon for hunting scum. That's it, there doesn't have to be a large divide because a vote is majorly what town depends on.
Yeah I'm going to agree here.
If you scum read someone that's fine but using time and timestamps against someone is not cool. If they didn't have time to post something then they didn't have the time.
Agreed. I was getting distracted, sorry.
What do you think about Sophia's sudden power reveal without explantion?
Dully noted that Gorlak is going hard on me out of the gate.
Looking over Barrylocke's posts, not much stood out at first glance. He was considered an inactive by Gorlack here, but later on he had enough posts that Fireblend was kind of excluding him from being counted as an inactive.
Bear with me, looking things over. However, if you were curious, it was these two posts...
... and specifically the bolded that made me start gut reading her as scum. However I wasn't 100% certain how to take these two comments.
Another person I was suspect about was Splinter because he usually butts heads with me, yet..
... this seemed odd for him.
He did also mention Melon
However, after that, he didn't say much of Melon. She was, however, absent from his list of people he wouldn't lynch.
And he did vote for her, so he was consistent there
So, not particularly scum reading Splinter right now.
Looking over Barrylocke's posts, not much stood out at first glance. He was considered an inactive by Gorlack here, but later on he had enough posts that Fireblend was kind of excluding him from being counted as an inactive.
Bear with me, looking things over. However, if you were curious, it was these two posts...
... and specifically the bolded that made me start gut reading her as scum. However I wasn't 100% certain how to take these two comments.
Another person I was suspect about was Splinter because he usually butts heads with me, yet..
... this seemed odd for him.
He did also mention Melon
However, after that, he didn't say much of Melon. She was, however, absent from his list of people he wouldn't lynch.
And he did vote for her, so he was consistent there
So, not particularly scum reading Splinter right now.
There was one thing that stood out to me while reading the end of the day in retrospective. Blarg brought up the triangle discussion, like he wasn't here in the first place. He (intentionally or not, I can not say) made everyone talk about those three again. Just wanted to point that out.
You realize that can be flipped around on you, correct? You're claiming that my vote on you is safe and doesn't help Town because no-one else voted for you and you were not at risk of being lynched. Yet you ended your vote on me, the person you just said would more-than-likely not be voted out last minute either.
melonrabbit
Member
Perhaps, I am missing something.
Why do/did you feel that you were being targeted? I'm trying to understand the order of events. But you said the vote was just a placeholder. Did you always intend to vote for her? Or did that happening during rereading the thread?
Fair enough. You expected another hour to work with. If you had that hour what would you have done?
I apologize. That was too much.
Sophia, in your post you point out the connection between melon and Splinter. And conclude with not scum reading Splinter.
I'd say if melon ends up being scum, we have to look at Splinter. First he prods a scum partner and late in the day when there was no danger of getting her lynched he parks his vote on the forementioned scumpartner to look good after a possible death of melon in the future. 1o1 scum play.
That being said I have no read on Splinter (one thing sticking in my mind was his subtle directing attention to Roy and not mentioning it ever again). Default null on Splinter means we should lynch him.
I'd say if melon ends up being scum, we have to look at Splinter. First he prods a scum partner and late in the day when there was no danger of getting her lynched he parks his vote on the forementioned scumpartner to look good after a possible death of melon in the future. 1o1 scum play.
That being said I have no read on Splinter (one thing sticking in my mind was his subtle directing attention to Roy and not mentioning it ever again). Default null on Splinter means we should lynch him.
No worries, take your time.
And you gut read Melon as Scum because she keeps sort of bringing you up? Talk about paranoid.
Reminds me of another point. Blarg being weird ( surprise, surprise ) on Day 1 is fairly expected at this point but that vote on Sophia was weak, even for him. Usually Town!Blarg has some weird convoluted agenda but his votes typically make more sense then, well, a baseless fluff vote.
I agree with that assessment in regards to looking at Splinter if Melon flips scum. And in fact, that probably should have what I done day 1, but well...
No worries, take your time.
And you gut read Melon as Scum because she keeps sort of bringing you up? Talk about paranoid.
Not really because she brought me up, rather how to put it... it seemed like an easy stance for scum to take? I wasn't certain on it at any rate, hence why I did not vote her at any time.
Well, yeah, if a last minute reversal happened and I had changed my vote so it didn't go through I'd probably die from regret. Still, largely what we did wasn't a help to town. I can admit that, and I'm willing to rectify that.
Well, to explain why I felt targeted, all you'd have to do is search Sawneeks posts. Tunneling into an offhand remark (which was bad, I agree) and then turning that into scum(!) hunting. And I hadn't always intended to vote for Sawneeks, firstly because immediately after I posted I felt that would be too petty, and secondly, I really didn't want to vote based on my emotions. Therefore, post combing, when I decided to vote on Sawneeks during my reread.
If I had the time I would have liked to start from page 1 and then deconstruct every line from every post. Later, after day 1, I realized how annoying that could be to the thread and stopped.
Don't like revealing powers without necessity in general. I'm also a bit suspicious of how quickly she jumped onto my side on D1. She also played a role in getting Bronx-Man lynched, not to mention she survived the night. Not sure what all that means.
melonrabbit
Member
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OK. Thanks. I would be interesting in seeing that post when you get a chance to complete it.
And I'm not sure if you already posted this. But who is your top town/town scum?
A Melon/Splinter connection is an easy one for scum to make given meta.
Interesting flip. The pm reads more like a neutral role to me then a town or scum role. What really is weird is how Barry had two alignments. Does that mean he also had two win conditions? Sucks that is redacted And he can recruit people to his team, but those will both get the Gaga alignment AND their original alignment? Weird stuff all around.
I don't think a double vote is a scum ability. It's very powerful in the hands of scum. At the same time, if Sophia is town that means that scum will have to remove her eventually, since if she makes end game, she would be a huge advantage for town. No way a town double voter makes it to end game.
So yes, that vote was purely to prevent a sophia lynch or a tie. I had a null read on bronx since he barely said anything at all.
Also, I want Dusk to further explain his pokemon read list. Was that serious, or just a joke? Your vote on fire stayed on him until the end of the day, so that makes me think it was a serious list. Could you clarify this?
vote: dusk soldier
And he can recruit people to his team, but those will both get the Gaga alignment AND their original alignment? Weird stuff all around.I don't think a double vote is a scum ability. It's very powerful in the hands of scum. At the same time, if Sophia is town that means that scum will have to remove her eventually, since if she makes end game, she would be a huge advantage for town. No way a town double voter makes it to end game.
So yes, that vote was purely to prevent a sophia lynch or a tie. I had a null read on bronx since he barely said anything at all.
Also, I want Dusk to further explain his pokemon read list. Was that serious, or just a joke? Your vote on fire stayed on him until the end of the day, so that makes me think it was a serious list. Could you clarify this?
vote: dusk soldier
Can you explain why these comments lead you to scumread melon?
What is this referring to?
I don't remember talking about Roy much, I've been struggling to get any kind of read on him.
I don't have a top town/scum for now because I don't want to have any prejudices later, just in case. But, I'm town leaning Nin since he was the only one to go against the Bronx man lynch (maybe pre-fabricated, maybe GAGA, as of now not seeing him as scum) and scum leaning Sawneeks for obvious reasons.
See above, if you haven't.
Speaking of which, was your scum read of Royal a gut read? The one thing about scum!Royal that I remember is that he didn't easily or quickly commit to votes (See: Bachelor Party day 3) so I'm not really sure what to think here.
Oh I did miss this, I don't understand it though. What do you mean by it being an easy stance to take? Why do you think that?
And yes it was mostly gut, iirc the thing that first triggered it was an odd post focused on how other people read him.
It seemed weird that she was drawing so much attention to it, but it was an easy stance to take because there was so much activity regarding me.
Again, I had enough doubts that I did not vote her. So there's that.
Ah, yeah. I remember that post seemed a bit odd for Royal. There's a bit of WIFOM-esque train of thoughts there because Royal doesn't seem like the kind of player who'd say that as scum but at the same time...
Would you say your read on Melon is light scum or null?
Frankly I disagree as I believe people should vote for who they think is scummy but to each their own. However I will agree my extreme focus on you did distract me from other players, hence why I said earlier I don't plan to vote for you now and focus elsewhere.
You did mention earlier that post analysis and voting are our most powerful tools so, annoying or not, if you had planned to analyze someone's posts to get a read on them I don't see why you wouldn't.
So it's just her ability, then? Nothing else she has done? What do you make of her reason for revealing it?
i swear i'll leave you alone i promise
Can you explain what you mean by this?
I don't want to put someone in an alignment box of scum or town, so that when reading their posts later my first thought isn't to justify why they're doing this or condemn them for doing that, regardless of what they're actually saying. Basically, if I put people into camps this early, won't I stubbornly believe they must be X?
Yeah it's mostly her power which makes me think she is town. Plus, If she is town, scum can't let her live until end game since a double voter can literally win the game for town,so she should get nk at some point. If that doesn't happen, then I would get suspicious.
I will admit her reason to claim is extremely weak and if she is town that put her in the crosshair of scum for no real reason. So I am very curious why she decided giving blarg something to talk about was deemed more important then keeping hidden for scum.
Sorry for the low activity so far. Suddenly felt fatigued and started procrastinating.
My feelings kinda have. Haven't read him that closely, but the day end suspicion against you and me felt kinda genuine. Feels like a scum would've responded less impulsively and tried to convince us otherwise instead of scum reading us.
I liked that actually. The triangle discussion felt very loose with nobody really stopping to ask what it really was about. We figured out that melonrabbit didn't know I scum read Darryl (TheGoddamn) which makes me think both aren't scum.
You can still make reads without tunneling too hard. Just stay skeptical and ask yourself if you're wrong every now and then.
It's better to tunnel than make no reads.
Oh yeah, I agree. Just don't want to be so stubborn on alignment
My concern is that this is similar but different to an argument I was making yesterday, which makes me wonder of you're using other people's points without really understanding them.
Bleh, I'm moving on, for your role alone (particularly the x-shot restriction) I think you're town.
Anything else giving you a pause about Sophia?
It's Sophia. Every post she makes gives me pause.
Joking aside, theres just the occasional points she makes (like the above) where I can't quite see her train of thought - but then that is consistent with previous games. Slightly more worrying was the timing and intent of her claim, but it's not a biggy and probably just another example of something I'm not understanding.
So basically I can't read Sophia, and can only rely on other's judgement there. From what little I can read into her role it seems more town than scum.
Dusk Soldier
Member
I think this is the first game I played that didn't do day start/ends at 5pm EST. Completely missed day's end because of that.
Some thoughts so far...
Bronx man had the power to save himself the whole time, (although it was pretty close to the deadline when his ability activated.) and he didn't even bother trying to use it to save himself. And he spent the whole Day Phase MIA, kind of feel like he made his bed there.
Barrylocke's win condition was obscured but I'm guessing only because he died on N1.
I'm guessing it's a cult like ability with the goal to capture 6 mons, although that sounds crazy difficult so maybe just three instead. I wonder if it's an arson-like ability. Actually it probably is.
As for the votes yesterday. Ynnek7's stands out the most. The first two votes on him were prod votes cast due to Bronx's inactivity. He still had a vote left on him the beggining of the final day, and Ynnek7's vote:
Kind of reads to me like he's was strategically trying to start a bandwagon. It just the fact that to me, it reads like he had no real intention of coming back to thread after posting this.That gives me a scum vibe.
Another interesting vote on this is roy's buzzer beater vote. Like he was trying to make sure that Sophia didn't get lynched. Just another thing to look at if one of the two flip scum.
Some thoughts so far...
Bronx man had the power to save himself the whole time, (although it was pretty close to the deadline when his ability activated.) and he didn't even bother trying to use it to save himself. And he spent the whole Day Phase MIA, kind of feel like he made his bed there.
Barrylocke's win condition was obscured but I'm guessing only because he died on N1.
I'm guessing it's a cult like ability with the goal to capture 6 mons, although that sounds crazy difficult so maybe just three instead. I wonder if it's an arson-like ability. Actually it probably is.
As for the votes yesterday. Ynnek7's stands out the most. The first two votes on him were prod votes cast due to Bronx's inactivity. He still had a vote left on him the beggining of the final day, and Ynnek7's vote:
Kind of reads to me like he's was strategically trying to start a bandwagon. It just the fact that to me, it reads like he had no real intention of coming back to thread after posting this.That gives me a scum vibe.
Another interesting vote on this is roy's buzzer beater vote. Like he was trying to make sure that Sophia didn't get lynched. Just another thing to look at if one of the two flip scum.
The reads feel off to me. Especially the scum reads, it feels like she isn't actually suspicious. This post from mini mafia has been stuck in my mind because it's so different from what she's posted here. That kind of certainty and tone hasn't been present in this game.
I'm still paying attention to the conversation, even if I'm not posting, but...
Bronx does bring up a good point when Ynnek threw his vote on him.
Hey Ynnek, can you go into more detail as to why you voted for Bronx over other potential votes? I picked him because I wanted to remove deadweight, he had votes on him, I didn't want to waste a double, and it was really close to the deadline. But you had more time than I did.
Bronx does bring up a good point when Ynnek threw his vote on him.
Hey Ynnek, can you go into more detail as to why you voted for Bronx over other potential votes? I picked him because I wanted to remove deadweight, he had votes on him, I didn't want to waste a double, and it was really close to the deadline. But you had more time than I did.
I have seen you've commented a bit on the flip, but what do you think killed Barry and what do you think his alignment was?
If he was the scum kill, why do you think he was killed?
Not a clue as to what his alignment was. If we assume it was a scum kill and I had to guess, they picked someone who would give us as little information as possible.
Would they kill him if Unmasked Ferret or melonrabbit was scum?
melonrabbit
Member
I think it would be beneficial to hear from some of our most quieter players. LP faded to the background as the day went on. How are you feeling about things today, LP?
Also, I know Darryl choose No Lynch for technical reason. Is there anyone you would've chosen to vote for TheGoddamn?
And Salva how do you feel about the Bronx lynch?
Interesting to note that both CM and Royal choose to pull their vote and didn't place a vote on anyone else. CM gave an explanation but Royal hasn't yet.
Also, I know Darryl choose No Lynch for technical reason. Is there anyone you would've chosen to vote for TheGoddamn?
And Salva how do you feel about the Bronx lynch?
Interesting to note that both CM and Royal choose to pull their vote and didn't place a vote on anyone else. CM gave an explanation but Royal hasn't yet.
melonrabbit
Member
Is this an open question?