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Would a Jaguar powered Xbox Scorpio be a dealbreaker for you?

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In the last three Scorpio threads there was a lot of talk about the CPU, so I think the question as we head into the reveal this week is...would a Jaguar CPU actually be a dealbreaker?

A lot of people seem to think this will release with Zen. Given that MS has briefed devs on everything the Scorpio offers except for the CPU, this seems more unlikely, especially since the move to a new CPU would require a brand new architecture for the most part, something devs need to know right away.

Still, anything is possible I suppose, and realistically keeping the Jaguar CPU leads to less headaches and better compatibility, which keeps in line to what MS wants- a unified ecosystem with Play Anywhere. To break it down, here's what we're looking at:

Zen CPU
+Big boost to performance, which is great in making the transition to 4k. You'd get all the benefits of a next gen CPU.
+Easier to break the Scorpio into its own next-gen system should MS allow devs to make Scorpio exclusives (as of now, they are not allowed to do so, unless it is a VR title).
+Considerably more future proof.
-Higher cost may place the Scorpio above $399.
-Harder for devs to work with as it would need its own set of tools to fully utilize, though in time this would be resolved as more machines upgrade to Zen.
-Makes immediate compatibility with current titles more difficult. This is a temporary problem that you'd see with some launch woes like odd bugs and performance issues between XB1/Scorpio.
-More difficult to scale down price year over year, basically remain as a premium machine for quite a while.

Jaguar CPU
+Easier and familiar for devs to work with.
+Keeps cost down at a solid $399 or lower pricepoint.
+Better compatibility with XB1.
-Locks the Scorpio to this generation, effectively making it a Xbox Pro.
-Performance issues that require devs to trade off resolution vs framerate will still be prevalent on Scorpio, much like we're seeing on PS4 Pro. Native 4k will still not be a wise choice compared to checkerboarding, etc.


I think a Jaguar would still make the Scorpio an effective upgrade, one that will still surpass the PS4 Pro and keep it in line at a good pricepoint, though would keep its future prospects of a next gen machine limited. Would a Jaguar be a dealbreaker for you?
 
A $400 Scorpio with Jaguar...probably wouldn't be a dealbreaker.

A $500 Scorpio with Jaguar...probably would be.
 
As long as the controller looks like this. *ba dum chss*

220px-Atari-Jaguar-Controller.jpg
 
The price just needs to be proportional to or a little less than the performance for me. Putting a "premium" price on a "premium" product a la apple would not fly for me.

As a primary PC gamer with a monster rig I am actually quite excited to get one if they nail it.
 
I don't really care either way. But wouldn't a Zen scorpio alienate current Xbox One owners even more? It would basically be a next gen system.
 
Jaguar with a significant upclock wouldn't be a deal-breaker as long as it's $399. I'm hoping for Ryzen, but realistically I expect Jaguar.
 
Actually, going Ryzen for a midgen refresh would be pretty silly imo. An upclocked Jaguar like the PS4P would make a lot more sense.

They've already talked about "Xbox one games in 4k" and they don't need anything else for that. Would be a waste of resources imo.
 
The deal breaker for me is if, whatever it is, if I dont see meaningful improvements in games. I don't really see that with pro, so I'm not really expecting to with scorpio. Especially if it still has a jag. And since the scorpio is set to be backwards and forwards comparable with whatever comes next, I just can't see jaguar being the way to go.

So, yeah, it could be a deal breaker.
 
No. Whatever CPU it has it will be the best console to play Xbox 360 and Xbox One games on so it will get bought regardless. Hopefully OG Xbox games in 4K too!
 
I'm not in the market to be honest but when you're selling this new console as coming with 6TF GPU power, if it's combined with a netbook CPU, it's not going to perform like one. So it's kinda misleading in a way.

Much like with PS4 Pro, the real world performance of it is much closer to a 3TF GPU than a 4.2 one it is. There is no console magic sauce that can account for this very slow and ancient CPU. Performance is going to be less than specs would suggest. With that said people are fine with this performance and same could apply to this Xbox. Doesn't change the fact that it's uderperforming and it's not really 6TF.
 
Cpu isn't as important when pushing 4k compared to gpu, so who knows what way they go but I'd say definitely not Zen. Very excited to see, even if I'm not buying one. I just like seeing advances in each companies arsenal
 
I just don't see it being a big jump from the Pro with a Jaguar. Probably real 4K (Scorpio) vs 4K* (PS4Pro) for third party games. I would shrug at that difference with my 1080p screen.

*it's checkerboard
 
Eh, I'll probably get it regardless. Especially if there are some nice trade in offers. It would be nice if there was a significant CPU upgrade though
 
In the last three Scorpio threads there was a lot of talk about the CPU, so I think the question as we head into the reveal this week is...would a Jaguar CPU actually be a dealbreaker?

A lot of people seem to think this will release with Zen. Given that MS has briefed devs on everything the Scorpio offers except for the CPU, this seems more unlikely, especially since the move to a new CPU would require a brand new architecture for the most part, something devs need to know right away.

Still, anything is possible I suppose, and realistically keeping the Jaguar CPU leads to less headaches and better compatibility, which keeps in line to what MS wants- a unified ecosystem with Play Anywhere. To break it down, here's what we're looking at:

Zen CPU
+Big boost to performance, which is great in making the transition to 4k. You'd get all the benefits of a next gen CPU.
+Easier to break the Scorpio into its own next-gen system should MS allow devs to make Scorpio exclusives (as of now, they are not allowed to do so, unless it is a VR title).
+Considerably more future proof.
-Higher cost may place the Scorpio above $399.
-Harder for devs to work with as it would need its own set of tools to fully utilize, though in time this would be resolved as more machines upgrade to Zen.
-Makes immediate compatibility with current titles more difficult. This is a temporary problem that you'd see with some launch woes like odd bugs and performance issues between XB1/Scorpio.
-More difficult to scale down price year over year, basically remain as a premium machine for quite a while.

Jaguar CPU
+Easier and familiar for devs to work with.
+Keeps cost down at a solid $399 or lower pricepoint.
+Better compatibility with XB1.
-Locks the Scorpio to this generation, effectively making it a Xbox Pro.
-Performance issues that require devs to trade off resolution vs framerate will still be prevalent on Scorpio, much like we're seeing on PS4 Pro. Native 4k will still not be a wise choice compared to checkerboarding, etc.


I think a Jaguar would still make the Scorpio an effective upgrade, one that will still surpass the PS4 Pro and keep it in line at a good pricepoint, though would keep its future prospects of a next gen machine limited. Would a Jaguar be a dealbreaker for you?

Lmfao you are delusional and please stop with the jaguar , the Jaguar is a disaster look at PS4pro daily struggle and Phil already said it ain't so drop it

I know your acceptance to try and understand that this console will have all the latest Tech unlike PS4pro is hard I understand

http://digiworthy.com/2016/10/10/phil-spencer-xbox-scorpio-not-use-amd-jaguar/

As for 399$ price Point not happening so be realistic I see a 499$ !!
 
I dunno but I wouldn't pay a lot of money for it considering it's lifespan would be short with a PS5/Xbox 5 in the pipeline for 2019/2020.

A Scorpio Zen that can survive into a PS5/Xbox 5 generation as the more affordable option would be great.
 
I just don't see it being a big jump from the Pro with a Jaguar. Probably real 4K (Scorpio) vs 4K* (PS4Pro) for third party games. I would shrug at that difference with my 1080p screen.

*it's checkerboard

Lmfao are you for real lol Try harder please , PS4pro checkerboard isn't that great to begin with Sony should of waited and done better

Scorpio is a whole new level unlike Pro was
 
I mean there are no ifs ands or buts. It's going to be Jaguar. Zen isn't even ready yet. People just living in denial for some reason.
 
I just don't see it being a big jump from the Pro with a Jaguar. Probably real 4K (Scorpio) vs 4K* (PS4Pro) for third party games. I would shrug at that difference with my 1080p screen.

*it's checkerboard

We've already been told that Zen won't exist for semicustom chips until next year. It's gonna be a Jag,

Keep telling yourself it is your are delusional like the rest that believe it will be
http://digiworthy.com/2016/10/10/phil-spencer-xbox-scorpio-not-use-amd-jaguar/

Read
 
How is a more powerful x86 CPU a new architecture?

I would think any discrepancies (if any) would be handled by the low level software. Especially from a company like MS where compatibility is their bread and butter. Not that I believe it will have Zen.
 
Lmfao you are delusional and please stop with the jaguar , the Jaguar is a disaster look at PS4pro daily struggle and Phil already said it ain't so drop it

I know your acceptance to try and understand that this console will have all the latest Tech unlike PS4pro is hard I understand

http://digiworthy.com/2016/10/10/phil-spencer-xbox-scorpio-not-use-amd-jaguar/

As for 399$ price Point not happening so be realistic I see a 499$ !!
I'm...not sure what you're trying to add to this.
 
Not at all, but I wouldn't mind if it was a premium product with a price to reflect that, so I'd prefer a newer CPU. I'm willing to pay as long as they deliever some games I want.
 
I couldn't care less, give me powerful hardware and above all some great new IP to play on it.

I'm ready to go back to Xbox.
 
Lmfao you are delusional and please stop with the jaguar , the Jaguar is a disaster look at PS4pro daily struggle and Phil already said it ain't so drop it

I know your acceptance to try and understand that this console will have all the latest Tech unlike PS4pro is hard I understand

http://digiworthy.com/2016/10/10/phil-spencer-xbox-scorpio-not-use-amd-jaguar/

As for 399$ price Point not happening so be realistic I see a 499$ !!
Is this post written in the English language?
 
I think price more than anything will sway or disuade.

399$ would be ideal

499$+ is more likely with all the premium talk

CPU could go either way at both those prices.
 
I'm not interested either way, but unless this is planned to be an entirely new generation for them, killing compatibility and switching to Zen seems like a bad idea. I would think switching to Puma(or Puma+) might be the way to go? CPU boost, but very similar architecture. Either way this device sounds like a hard sell, particularly considering the relatively tepid response to the PS4 Pro.
 
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