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Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 25, 2017

I didn't say PWs are always the most powerful cards in a set. They are terrible for limited because they skew more towards bombs in general and because they always warp how the game is played. That's a good thing in constructed, I absolutely love PWs in constructed magic, but in limited the answers are much more creature slanted and a resolved planeswalker makes the game more about protecting/killing it than anything else.
The player with the PW gets the incentive to just sit there and accrue value over time while the player opposing it has to overextend themselves to get rid of it.

DerangedHermit · Sep 25, 2017

Went to my first pre-release in 17 years...yay

(Was nice to see i wasn't the only "old" guy in the store).

Went 2-0-3 :| Oh well, at won 2 rounds against experienced players so not that bad, or at least i tell that myself.

Anyway, someone played that Blood Fast card against me which reminds me a bit of Necropotence.

I really liked it, wonder if there's going to be a deck that uses it ? I guess vampires will use it but that seems more of a 'beatdown' deck rather than control...

Edit: now to buy acessories to play again ... sleeves, deckboxes, dice, counters...oh and cards maybe

DrArchon · Sep 25, 2017

traveler said:
The new Jace is fine too. Strong for 3 mana but far from unbeatable. A resolved Vraska or even Huatli, though, is brutal.

Yeah. Like 99% of the reason new Jace looks even playable in constructed is because you can get him out on turn 3, and that's almost never going to happen in limited. That and the only way you can get benefit from ticking him up required hitting the opponent every turn, which unless you got a couple of River Sneaks for some reason doesn't seem likely.

Making 2/2s seems great for limited though. Ain't no one gonna spend a spell on a token in limited.

Firemind · Sep 25, 2017

Haha, nice user name. ^^

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
I didn't say PWs are always the most powerful cards in a set. They are terrible for limited because they skew more towards bombs in general and because they always warp how the game is played. That's a good thing in constructed, I absolutely love PWs in constructed magic, but in limited the answers are much more creature slanted and a resolved planeswalker makes the game more about protecting/killing it than anything else.
The player with the PW gets the incentive to just sit there and accrue value over time while the player opposing it has to overextend themselves to get rid of it.

It could be worse. I just faced Reveillark and Body Double in Modern cube. There's literally no way for me to kill them lol

Aaaaaand goodbye Modern cube.

DerangedHermit · Sep 25, 2017

By the way, is apprentice still used or is there some new app like it? Bored at work, want to make some decklists

Justin · Sep 25, 2017

that art!

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 25, 2017

does wizards think judges only play EDH?

OnPoint · Sep 25, 2017

Won't probably ever be worth more than this, sorry judges

DrArchon · Sep 25, 2017

It always confused me as to why Doran has this big dinosaur tail dragging across the ground. Makes him look like a Tree-Kaiju. I don't remember any of the other Lorwyn treefolk having tails either.

Firemind · Sep 25, 2017

Doran really shouldn't be black, right?

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 25, 2017

Firemind said:
Doran really shouldn't be black, right?

that is true for a lot of cards from lorwyn-shadowmore block, treefolk were abzan in Lorwyn so they got an abzan legend.

Firemind · Sep 25, 2017

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
that is true for a lot of cards from lorwyn-shadowmore block, treefolk were abzan in Lorwyn so they got an abzan legend.

It shouldn't happen now with a modern design blueprint, should it? I mean, faeries stayed U/B, goblins B/R, kithkin Bant, merfolk Esper. Red got shitty 5c elementals. It was pretty imbalanced lol

kirblar · Sep 25, 2017

Firemind said:
It shouldn't happen now with a modern design blueprint, should it? I mean, faeries stayed U/B, goblins B/R, kithkin Bant, merfolk Esper. Red got shitty 5c elementals. It was pretty imbalanced lol

Abzan was big butts matter in Tarkir too.

Farside · Sep 25, 2017

Dealing with the Bolas Planeswalker drives me crazy. What are some good G/W cards to deal with him?

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 25, 2017

Naxx is out

DrArchon · Sep 25, 2017

Farside said:
Dealing with the Bolas Planeswalker drives me crazy. What are some good G/W cards to deal with him?

Any white enchantment that exiles nonland permanents (Cast Out, etc) will do it.

Best solution though is to just win before they play him. He costs 7 mana with three colors after all.

charlequin · Sep 25, 2017

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
does wizards think judges only play EDH?

EDH was invented by Judges and if you're a high level judge you are specifically choosing to do something that directly competes with your ability to play in high-level constructed events, so, yeah, they kind of do think that and they're not totally wrong to do so.

That said, most of the top-priced non-reserved cards (including many constructed players) have gotten Judge promos at some point, they just don't want to burn through eight of those a year since they're a much more limited resource than "major Legend or casual card that will go for $50 with foil alt-art."

y2dvd · Sep 25, 2017

OnPoint said:
Won't probably ever be worth more than this, sorry judges

My mind went into the gutters looking at this. Am I the only one seeing it lol?

Justin · Sep 25, 2017

charlequin said:
EDH was invented by Judges and if you're a high level judge you are specifically choosing to do something that directly competes with your ability to play in high-level constructed events, so, yeah, they kind of do think that and they're not totally wrong to do so.

That said, most of the top-priced non-reserved cards (including many constructed players) have gotten Judge promos at some point, they just don't want to burn through eight of those a year since they're a much more limited resource than "major Legend or casual card that will go for $50 with foil alt-art."

Here is the other judge card revealed today. Looks like the Portal Version goes for $360

TheBlackMarvel · Sep 25, 2017

Farside said:
Dealing with the Bolas Planeswalker drives me crazy. What are some good G/W cards to deal with him?

Cast Out.

Farside · Sep 25, 2017

DrArchon said:
Any white enchantment that exiles nonland permanents (Cast Out, etc) will do it.

Best solution though is to just win before they play him. He costs 7 mana with three colors after all.

TheBlackMarvel said:
Cast Out.

Thanks! And I try to win before it gets played, but I'm not all that great yet.

Imperfected · Sep 25, 2017

Farside said:
Dealing with the Bolas Planeswalker drives me crazy. What are some good G/W cards to deal with him?

Green doesn't really "deal" with planeswalkers, it's about getting bigger creatures out sooner and thus, hypothetically, just being able to smash their faces after they hit the board.

If you're playing Green and don't have a significant board advantage by the time Bolas comes down, you're donezo.

Or, I suppose, to put it another way: Carnage Tyrant.

Farside · Sep 25, 2017

Imperfected said:
Green doesn't really "deal" with planeswalkers, it's about getting bigger creatures out sooner and thus, hypothetically, just being able to smash their faces after they hit the board.

If you're playing Green and don't have a significant board advantage by the time Bolas comes down, you're donezo.

Or, I suppose, to put it another way: Carnage Tyrant.

Yeah, I'm noticing. Though the W cards should help.

charlequin · Sep 25, 2017

Justin said:
Here is the other judge card revealed today. Looks like the Portal Version goes for $360

Capture of Jingzhou is the single most expensive non-reserved card in Magic.

Zocano · Sep 25, 2017

Why is it that expensive when Time Warp exists?

SigmasonicX · Sep 25, 2017

Zocano said:
Why is it that expensive when Time Warp exists?

It has nothing to do with the effect. Portal: Three Kingdoms had a very small print run, with the English printing not even being in the US. That creates high demand for the unique cards in it.

bigkrev · Sep 25, 2017

Zocano said:
Why is it that expensive when Time Warp exists?

Cubes, EDH, and the fact that English language Portal 3 Kingdoms is the lowest print run of a set outside of Alpha/Beta/Unlimited

traveler · Sep 25, 2017

I liked the old Doran art, but that promo is gorgeous. It's a smart commander print too, as the Lorwyn legends are fairly scarce by modern set standards and Doran just received a bunch of support in the GW dinos that share his theme.

Farside · Sep 25, 2017

If I choose to run a mono deck, am I setting myself up for failure?

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 25, 2017

depends on what you're trying to accomplish but generally no.

Farside · Sep 25, 2017

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
depends on what you're trying to accomplish but generally no.

Yeah, I think I should just realize (and stop asking stupid ?s) that with the right strategy, nothing is really "bad."

Santiako · Sep 25, 2017

Farside said:
Yeah, I think I should just realize (and stop asking stupid ?s) that with the right strategy, nothing is really "bad."

Two of the best decks in standard right now are mono coloured.

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 26, 2017

What's the other one? Mono white vehicles/eldrazi was a fad and Zombies has been kinda bad in HOU

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 26, 2017

stupid internet making me double post.

Santiako · Sep 26, 2017

I was talking about zombies but I haven't paid too much attention to standard the last couple of months

Imperfected · Sep 26, 2017

Farside said:
Yeah, I think I should just realize (and stop asking stupid ?s) that with the right strategy, nothing is really "bad."

Nah, it's a reasonable question.

You can make a good mono-color deck, but most good decks are two- or even three-color. Mono-color is mainly for when you need an incredible amount of consistency to make sure everything you want is happening on a specific timeframe (Red Deck Wins/Burn/Aggro), or just rare cases where you put a deck together and realize what you're getting from a second color isn't even worth running over what you get in a single color (Mono-Black Zombies).

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 26, 2017

Heart of Kiran really is kinda dece with Jace.

charlequin · Sep 26, 2017

SigmasonicX said:
It has nothing to do with the effect. Portal: Three Kingdoms had a very small print run, with the English printing not even being in the US. That creates high demand for the unique cards in it.

Yeah, you can't underestimate either how much demand Highlander formats like Commander and Cube create for duplicates of the same effect or how much weird and unusual printings are desirable to people who like to trick out their stuff.

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 26, 2017

I's weird how Wizards puts mill cards into what seems like every set when it rarely works out to be useful for other strategies and never ever works in limited and rarely in standard.
The powerlevel is seldomly high enough for EDH or Modern as well.

traveler · Sep 26, 2017

Played in the first of the Ixalan sealed PPTQs today and won, so need to set aside time on the first to have a go at the real deal. I don't master limited formats as well as others, but I do find that I adapt and learn quickly, (there's also the surge of non MTGO regulars, which aren't quite as hard...) so early days are really the best shot I have at making it through sealed pptqs. Had a pretty trash pool too.

Pool:

Curious what yall would have done. This is what I built:

Good removal and the territorial hammerskulls carried the day. I rotated Arguel's and Raider's Wake in depending on some matchups, but found them pretty bad on the whole. Actually boarded in both costly plunders in the final match to deal with opponents mind control sorcery and it actually worked.

Poppy · Sep 26, 2017

i wish stupid monstrosaur didn't have trample at least, jeeze

Tunoku · Sep 26, 2017

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
I's weird how Wizards puts mill cards into what seems like every set when it rarely works out to be useful for other strategies and never ever works in limited and rarely in standard.
The powerlevel is seldomly high enough for EDH or Modern as well.

The format Kitchen Table is proooobably bigger than EDH.

Mother Green · Sep 26, 2017

traveler said:
Played in the first of the Ixalan sealed PPTQs today and won, so need to set aside time on the first to have a go at the real deal. I don't master limited formats as well as others, but I do find that I adapt and learn quickly, (there's also the surge of non MTGO regulars, which aren't quite as hard...) so early days are really the best shot I have at making it through sealed pptqs. Had a pretty trash pool too.

What is that program/ website you used here? I want to use this for some theorycrafting.

Justin · Sep 26, 2017

A bunch of standard decks from the Hareruya guys

http://www.hareruyamtg.com/article/en/sp/category/detail/185?ismodesmartphone=on

duxstar · Sep 26, 2017

Justin said:
A bunch of standard decks from the Hareruya guys

http://www.hareruyamtg.com/article/en/sp/category/detail/185?ismodesmartphone=on

How the hell do you run a dinosaur deck and not have 1 copy of carnage tyrant which is uncounterable and dodges almost all the removal in the set. Meanwhile you have 2 copies of Gishath , which can be countered and hit with removal.

2 copies of walking ballista , when its literaly the best card draw engine in your deck with either Ripjaw Raptor or
Ranging Raptor.

Tunoku · Sep 26, 2017

traveler said:
Played in the first of the Ixalan sealed PPTQs today and won, so need to set aside time on the first to have a go at the real deal. I don't master limited formats as well as others, but I do find that I adapt and learn quickly, (there's also the surge of non MTGO regulars, which aren't quite as hard...) so early days are really the best shot I have at making it through sealed pptqs. Had a pretty trash pool too.

Pool:

Curious what yall would have done. This is what I built:

Good removal and the territorial hammerskulls carried the day. I rotated Arguel's and Raider's Wake in depending on some matchups, but found them pretty bad on the whole. Actually boarded in both costly plunders in the final match to deal with opponents mind control sorcery and it actually worked.

Congrats! I'm surprised you didn't go with red here though. You have a pretty nice selection of aggressive 2s that go well alongside your Hammerskull.

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 26, 2017

Tunoku said:
The format Kitchen Table is proooobably bigger than EDH.

Yeah but does anyone even in kitchentable look towards this for milll?

Justin · Sep 26, 2017

duxstar said:
How the hell do you run a dinosaur deck and not have 1 copy of carnage tyrant which is uncounterable and dodges almost all the removal in the set. Meanwhile you have 2 copies of Gishath , which can be countered and hit with removal.

2 copies of walking ballista , when its literaly the best card draw engine in your deck with either Ripjaw Raptor or
Ranging Raptor.

Even pros dont want to spend $30 on Carnage Tyrant

Serious answer is that it is a sideboard card and they only are showing maindecks.

As for Ballista they have two Samuts which can also ping but has the versatility of giving doublestrike and tutoring up your creatures if she gets enough loyalty. Seems like an interesting build and I like when they make decks that use the "bad" Plansewalkers. Isnt going to win a GP but would be fun at FNM/Showdown.

Ozigizo · Sep 26, 2017

charlequin said:
Capture of Jingzhou is the single most expensive non-reserved card in Magic.

Wow, Imperial Seal held that titles for a long time, until it also got a judge promo.

ultron87 · Sep 26, 2017

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
Yeah but does anyone even in kitchentable look towards this for milll?

When they're opening their first couple packs ever, yeah.

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