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The Spirit Carries On - Dream Theater's search for a new drummer documented!

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Ceres said:
Thanks, didn't know this, so we are down to 5.

For some reason I have a really strong feeling that Aquiles Priester might very well be the one, especially with his mentions to DT and the documentary lately on his twitter:

http://twitter.com/#!/aquilespriester\

He seems really excited about it and makes me wonder why would he be talking so much about it if he isn't the one?

Very exciting, can't wait for tomorrow's episode!.
 
So I have never owned a Dream Theater album but all this talk has got me interested. Which album is a good one to start off with?
 
Guts Of Thor said:
So I have never owned a Dream Theater album but all this talk has got me interested. Which album is a good one to start off with?

Images and Words and/or Metropolis, Part 2: Scenes from a Memory. My overall favourite is Awake, but it's not as accessible as those 2. I wouldn't bother with anything past Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence if I were you, but there are many people who like some of their recent albums.
 
Guts Of Thor said:
So I have never owned a Dream Theater album but all this talk has got me interested. Which album is a good one to start off with?
Hmmm hard to tell, they have so much great music that each album is fantastic in their own right.

If I had to recommend albums for someone to start off with it would definitely be Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, but mainly Scenes from a Memory.

Both are great conceptual albums but Scenes from a Memory is beyond great, it's amazing how they tied up the lyrics and music to tell a story throughout the whole album.

Get it and play it from start to finish and trust me you will not be disappointed.
 
Guts Of Thor said:
So I have never owned a Dream Theater album but all this talk has got me interested. Which album is a good one to start off with?

I have a feeling the consensus choice will be Images & Words but I want to offer an alternate: Live at the Marquee. Live at the Marquee has superior versions of the two most significant songs from that album in addition to several songs from their first, but with LaBrie singing instead of Dominici, which makes them definitive versions. Another Hand: The Killing Hand in particular is excellent. A reason besides the quality of the performances themselves that the versions of the I & W songs from the Marquee are superior is that the production on I & W was very artificial--you literally don't hear Portnoy playing the drums on that album since everything was triggered.

However, I haven't heard much of their music since Six Degrees.
 
eh, I like Dominici's voice, so I guess I don't consider the Live at the Marquee versions definitive
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ElyrionX said:
Besides what some other posters in here have said already, Black Clouds also contains one of Petrucci's best solo ever. It's right at the end of The Best of Times. Really really powerful stuff. Anyone who writes off Petrucci as a purely technical guitarist with no soul really needs to listen to that.

Yeah, that solo give me goosebumps every fucking time
 
Given that I consider myself to be such a huge DT fan, I'm a little embarrassed to ask this but what is that song that plays when they show Marco Minneman's bio? I don't recognize it at all.

EDIT: Never mind. As I guessed, it's a track (Just Let Me Breathe) from the FII album, probably my least favourite album in DT's discography.
 
I'm so fucking behind in my dream theater news. I had no idea Mike Portnoy left. I feel ashamed as fuck calling myself a fan. =(
 
Man what an awesome episode, it's making me more eager for the finale and the big announcement I assume? Also my feelings for Aquiles are even stronger now, it's either him or Mangini imo.

Derek Roddy kinda blew his audition in the Jams and Riffs phases by playing some really simple stuff and not seeming to adapt to the riffs. Didn't impress anyone it seems except for his blast beat which is really not DT's style.

Thomas Lang audition was pretty good overall in all phases, I really like how he played the songs I just wished they would have shown the Jamming phase since it seems that's where he performed best. He seems to be a pretty cool guy and his stick tricks would go well in DT's live performances.

Virgil Donati seemed alright as well but I wasn't really impressed by him, I really enjoyed the Jamming and Riffs phase but the actual songs I did not like at all.

Marco's audition on the other hand was incredibly surprising, I honestly did not expect that at all, I LOVED the Jamming phase, he played the songs just fine but man his attitude is fantastic! he plays with a smile on his face, he enjoys playing, the music and interacts with the other members and I can see him doing the same with the audience, too bad he is out of the question or else I would have totally rooted for him.
 
ElyrionX said:
Besides what some other posters in here have said already, Black Clouds also contains one of Petrucci's best solo ever. It's right at the end of The Best of Times. Really really powerful stuff. Anyone who writes off Petrucci as a purely technical guitarist with no soul really needs to listen to that.

Oh hell yes. When I first heard that it sent a shiver down my spine. That is one heck of an emotional, rollercoastery, technically brilliant solo that even keeps in with the themes present in the rest of the song. Astonishing stuff.

My second favourite solo of his is from Hollow Years (Live at the Budukan). That is a face melter.
 
Galvanise_ said:
Oh hell yes. When I first heard that it sent a shiver down my spine. That is one heck of an emotional, rollercoastery, technically brilliant solo that even keeps in with the themes present in the rest of the song. Astonishing stuff.

My second favourite solo of his is from Hollow Years (Live at the Budukan). That is a face melter.
Anyone would be crazy to not like that solo. It's easily among the best (if not the best) performances of his career.
 
ElyrionX said:
Besides what some other posters in here have said already, Black Clouds also contains one of Petrucci's best solo ever. It's right at the end of The Best of Times. Really really powerful stuff. Anyone who writes off Petrucci as a purely technical guitarist with no soul really needs to listen to that.

Hell yeah that solo really put me back into the "Petrucci can still write epic solos." Definitely among my top petrucci solos. When I first got the album, I would listen to that solo over and over and over again. I remember it reminded me of classical music the way he played it. Incredible stuff.

And damn, I can never get over how much I love Petruccis tones.

BTW, I'm hoping the riffs that they test the drummers with end up being part of the new album. Some of them sound really interesting.
 
God damnit, I wanted Marco to be the new drummer. I've always loved his drumming, and his personality, but when I read his Facebook post the other day my heart sank the the fucking floor. Now I see his audition, and I am totally shocked and surprised he wasn't the one.

Anyway, it's nice to hear that he is doing something with JP and JR. They really are the only two of the members I really care about (To be honest, John Myung really isn't that great......) and I hope this "project" is similar to Liquid Tension, so I can actually see them play live.
 
I'm hoping for Priester ..... because this way probably they will make more shows here in Brasil =3

Edit : Also... i'm having tecnical problems with the videos ... can someone post a list of drummers being tested at each video ?
 
Altazor said:
Images and Words and/or Metropolis, Part 2: Scenes from a Memory. My overall favourite is Awake, but it's not as accessible as those 2. I wouldn't bother with anything past Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence if I were you, but there are many people who like some of their recent albums.

^^

my overall favorite is A Change of Seasons, but he might want to start with a full album, and those are all good options..

Change of Seasons is a good example of what they've been missing their last few albums though, they used to be able to pull off heavy and soft at the same time. Lately there is no balance though, every song is either some super sappy U2 style power ballad, or some 'rawr heavy metal!!!!1' showoff piece. No nuance or subtlety at all anymore.
 
They picked the wrong dude. Not that he isnt a fit musically, but that dude is going crack/clash with band members. Hes got a hitch in his personality.
 
Cool documentary. The German guy and Mike Mangini were clearly the most fit for the job, both liked the band and the band liked both of them but I sort of preferred the German guy... I hope this Mike guy ends up doing well for the band though.
 
Sorry...spoilered
I like Mangini, good choice.
The whole story behind Portnoy leaving seems pretty spineless to me on Dream Theater's part.
He needed a break, they kicked him out. Then when he offered to reconcile they told him no chance.
Pretty shitty. Especially considering all the years and albums they produced together. Maybe I'm missing something...
 
Nard Bagman said:
Sorry...spoilered
I like Mangini, good choice.
The whole story behind Portnoy leaving seems pretty spineless to me on Dream Theater's part.
He needed a break, they kicked him out. Then when he offered to reconcile they told him no chance.
Pretty shitty. Especially considering all the years and albums they produced together. Maybe I'm missing something...

I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision for them, but if Mike wanted to take a 5+ year break, his heart obviously wasn't in it 100%. Not to mention, Mike only tried to reconcile after Avenged Sevenfold kicked his ass to the curb; if I were a member of DT, I wouldn't want a drummer that saw my band as a half-hearted consolation prize. Even though one could successfully argue that he, more than any other member of the band, made DT into what it is today, if he's not fully committed to continuing, then the past doesn't really matter all that much going forward.

Oh, and about their new drummer...
excellent, if not obvious, choice. Marco is also great and I'm glad that Petrucci and Rudess are going to work with him, but no one else seemed like a better fit than Mike Mangini. Yeah he seems like he can be kind of nutcase but fuck Portnoy was too. I haven't been excited for a new DT album in a while, but this one is going to be very interesting, hopefully a new member breathes some new life into an old formula.
 
Secks4Food said:
I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision for them, but if Mike wanted to take a 5+ year break, his heart obviously wasn't in it 100%. Not to mention, Mike only tried to reconcile after Avenged Sevenfold kicked his ass to the curb; if I were a member of DT, I wouldn't want a drummer that saw my band as a half-hearted consolation prize. Even though one could successfully argue that he, more than any other member of the band, made DT into what it is today, if he's not fully committed to continuing, then the past doesn't really matter all that much going forward.

Well said.

I would have preferred Minneman myself. Mangini just feels a little strange.
 
Nard Bagman said:
Sorry...spoilered
I like Mangini, good choice.
The whole story behind Portnoy leaving seems pretty spineless to me on Dream Theater's part.
He needed a break, they kicked him out. Then when he offered to reconcile they told him no chance.
Pretty shitty. Especially considering all the years and albums they produced together. Maybe I'm missing something...

You are missing something. DT is a band and also A BUSINESS. When one board member comes in and says, 'let's shut it down for a few and see where we all end up', the rest of the board, who need to eat and families to feed, have every right to say, 'Yeah, um, no.'

Plus, word on the street is that some members had more or less had it with Mike. By his own admission, he's a control freak; I don't think he's the easiest person in the world to be around, and 20+ years is a LONG time to deal with someone rubbing you the wrong way.

Onward. Great things are ahead for DT AND Mike.
 
I wish they had picked someone else. MM was a safe choice, right? It almost feels and looks like it's just MPv2 in which case they should have just let MP back in.

I have no real issues with the choice, I'm sure he is going to do great and all that. But it would have been nice to see them go with someone who adds their own flair to the songs.

Let's see how the new album sounds. I don't want it to be dream theater, I want it to be dream theater and oh that sounds a little different.
 
What I always liked about Portnoy was that he never made the drums overshadow the guitars/keyboards/vocals or bass. If a certain part needed to shine through, it did. I've often heard people criticise his playing on some songs as 'simple' or 'generic' but they fail to realise that everyone gets their chance to shine in DT. There is no point everyone going at it 100% of the time because everyone in that band is ridiculously talented. If it was a free for all, it would be noise.

Mike Mangini seems like he understands that too. Its more about the song/album than the individual.
 
Personally I would've chosen Aquiles Priester for his awesomeness!! He has a lot of skills and great riffs and unique sound (a bit Latin or Samba sound I guess), but the thing it lacks is stage performance/interaction with the crowd like the one Portnoy has.

Mangini is an AWESOME drummer and I'm not sad/mad/angry at the choice, neither dissapointed, BUT I would've loved Dream Theater trying something new and awesome and Aquiles seemed to be the perfect match... just look at this video: PsychOctopus Solo. Either way, Mangini is great!

Anyway, I can't wait to hear what Dream Theater has ready for my ears and my prog craving!
 
Well shit, turns out their new drummer is pretty badass. From his wiki page:

Mike Mangini started playing the drums when he was five years old. He would practice six to ten hours a day and by the time he was nine he was already mimicking Buddy Rich performances. By high school, he was performing in school bands and participating in the prestigious All-County, All-State, and all Eastern United States ensembles.

After graduating from Waltham Senior High School in 1981, Mangini put aside his music studies to pursue a Computer Science major at Bentley College. After graduating Mike started programming software for the Patriot Missile program. At the same time, he was working on a program that studied the links between the human brain and body.

In 2005, he accepted a full-time teaching position at the Berklee College of Music in Boston and today he is a prominent faculty member in the school's percussion department.

I had never even heard of the dude before but damn he seems phenomenal. He seems like a genuinely nice guy too. Hell, ALL the members of DT do, especially Rudess and Petrucci. What a cool group of people
 
Mr. Paer said:
I had never even heard of the dude before but damn he seems phenomenal. He seems like a genuinely nice guy too. Hell, ALL the members of DT do, especially Rudess and Petrucci. What a cool group of people

Yeah I actually live right down the road from Petrucci. I met him at a grocery store about 5 months ago or so. Really down to earth guy and humble. Haha and his muscles were bulging out all over the place. He's a beast.
 
Really good interview with Mangini over here: http://www.metal-hammer.de/news/mel...view-mit-Portnoy-Nachfolger-Mike-Mangini.html

“I’m pinching myself. I wake up most mornings thinking about my personal playing growth and Dream Theater. I have a smile and it’s amazing—what a great day I have when I acknowledge what is happening to me. How did I end up here? Whoa!

Part of my joining any band, or going for any drumming position, is me just letting what is, be. I don’t want to change anything that’s going on. I just want to play my drums; that’s it, that’s what I want to do. All I’m expecting to do is to be able to have the opportunity to come up with the greatest drum stuff that I can come up with, along with respect to what Dream Theater is already. What Mike Portnoy has made for Dream Theater–and it’s not hard for me to like that–is a great thing, it’s not only hectic drum stuff, it has a sound, and his sound stems from some similar influences. We both love Rush and Metallica, so it’s feeling natural for me to do that. I want to continue to replicate that kind of a vibe, as well as to offer a new drum thing that I have been working on that is Dream Theater.

As for the audition, I just walked in with a great feeling and greeted everyone, ‘Hi guys, I’m ready for this.’ I was absolutely ready to go in there and not make one stinking mistake. In my mind, I had to be like that. This was important to me. I just had too much interest in these people and in this music to blow it. I was not going to blow it.

So there I am. I play the tunes and everything is just forward-motion for me, meaning, I wasn’t thinking, ‘Oh my gosh, this is an audition!’ It was more, ‘Okay, I’m going to count here, I’m going to look at Jordan [Rudess] there playing the keyboard line, John Myung here, John Petrucci there, James LaBrie there, etc.’ I was in the moment. My eyes were picking up everything they were doing. It was like I knew everything they did. For example, if John Myung played something different in ‘The Spirit Carries On,’ I was ready. I was watching, listening and feeling everything they were doing like my life depended on it. When Jordan or John did something in a solo, I followed it. I thrived off that ‘one’ guitar riff I just had to catch. I would look at them and let them know that I knew what they were doing. JP picked up on everything.

We were on the same page 100% it seemed. They kept coming over to me and saying the nicest things, acknowledging what I was doing. I don’t want to sound broken or needy, but I needed them to say these things. I believe we all can use acknowledgement and a dose of niceness with what we really love to do. They knew that I respected them and appreciated being there.”

Mike continues talking about the preparation for recording the new album with Dream Theater

“John [Petrucci] sent me a demo. He didn’t ask me to do anything, he just said, ‘Check it out.’ I grabbed it and thought, ‘I’m going to get back to him quicker than he thinks I am, and I’m going to get back to him with more than he’s expecting. I’m going to go the extra 17 miles.’ So, I transcribed it, got into my studio and recorded it, tried stuff and just did a take. And it was okay. I listened to it and thought to let my wife here it, and she said, ‘You’re holding back.’ She’s not a musician, but she said, ‘I know you. You’re holding back.’ And she was absolutely right. I said, ‘You know what, I’m afraid of doing something wrong or doing too much.’ Anyway, I did another take and I kind of let go. Again, because everything happened so naturally in the audition, that’s what I needed to follow as a feeling: just be me. Not think too much about this, that and the other thing, and just go with what’s coming out naturally. If it’s not the right thing, he’ll tell me.”

Mike summarizes the beginning of this new chapter in his drumming career:

“So, how did it happen…I prayed daily and I just put my head down and said, “I can do this. I cannot fail those who also believe that I can do this. It’s for my family, extended family, friends, fellow drummer friends, endorsement companies and students that also believe that I’ll make good on the gifts I’ve been given. And finally it’s for the Dream Theater family for giving me the opportunity.”

Interview: Jonathan Mover

He seems like a genuinely cool guy, so I hope it all works out and they make some good music. It's probably also good that it's one of MP's pals.

Ultimately, this works out for everyone, I suppose, since DT can hopefully get a breath of fresh air, which they've needed for a while, and MP can keep doing his other projects, which have been vastly more interesting than anything DT's done in a while. He's got Testimony 2 releasing in a few weeks, which should be phenomenal, then the other Morse project with Neal, Steve Morse, LaRue and McPherson. And then the Allen/Orlando/DiLeo thing too. And then there will almost certainly be another Transatlantic within a few years.

I'd love for DT to surprise me, but I really can't see this being any different from Rick Wakeman dropping out of Yes, Neal Morse leaving Spock's, etc. Maybe even more so here seeing as how long Portnoy had been in DT since he formed it with JP and JM.
 
the new song is far, far, far better than most songs from their last 4 albums, and even then it's not THAT great. Just a solid song, with little to no musical masturbation, and it seems to emulate Pull Me Under's structure.

Positive things: you can hear Myung on the mix and he's not merely aping Petrucci's riffs; Jordan's piano and synth work; the instrumental section doesn't last 15 minutes and it fits the song; the song isn't trying to ripoff/copy the style of younger, heavier bands (coughcoughPortnoycoughcough).

Shortcomings: the lulz/lazy cover; LaBrie's vocals are pretty bland; the lyrics are as shitty as everything they've done since the 90s; cymbals sound like crap (though that might be youtube's compression).
 
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