Proof that even God hates libertarians.Triumph Dolomite 1300cc said:Lolz, too bad you guys lost Pinochet AND Friedman in the same year.
Proof that even God hates libertarians.Triumph Dolomite 1300cc said:Lolz, too bad you guys lost Pinochet AND Friedman in the same year.
Whatever, dude. The CIA sent Friedman's Chicago boys down to run Chile's economy into the ground after the coup. That's pretty well known.JayDubya said:Remember when you got cranky because you thought I equated Marx with Lenin? That was a more fair comparison, by far, than what you just did.
ronito said:Proof that even God hates libertarians.
Triumph Dolomite 1300cc said:Whatever, dude. The CIA sent Friedman's Chicago boys down to run Chile's economy into the ground after the coup. That's pretty well known.
Say what you want, but Uncle Milty's frying down there with old Pinochet. You say it's because they're old, I say it because their souls couldn't stand to be in their bodies another second.JayDubya said:Proof that people born in or before 1915 are running close to their expiration date. :lol
So you're saying that the CIA had NOTHING to do with the coup and putting those bozos down there? Also, it's funny to me that people will point to Chile as a triumph of open market, crazy ass golden straight jacket economics. The country was actually going into the shitter until they started enacting some reforms that looked suspiciously like socialism...JayDubya said:Err? The Chicago Boys were all from Chile. They came to the US to learn ecomomics, most of them at the Univ. of Chicago where the zomg most brilliant economist evar learned them good. They went back and teh result was "teh Miracle of Chile." All was puppies and sunshine, and they all lived happily ever after. The End.
Mandark said:If Milty was the most brilliant economist of all time, and monetarism failed, all economists must be pretty crappy.
siamesedreamer said:Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with what you said. I think its going to be a fascinating election.
(You like Huckabee? - I don't know much about him)
evil solrac v3.0 said:governor of kansas i believe. a good moderate. supports education (specaially art programs so he getsa gold star in my book) he'd be a good choice.
Yeah... no.Aristotlekh said:Milton Friedman was awesome btw
Triumph Dolomite 1300cc said:Yeah... no.
Touch a nerve, did we? Sorry, Friedman is indirectly responsible for some of the things currently destroying the world as we speak.Aristotlekh said:**** you
Triumph Dolomite 1300cc said:Sorry, Friedman is indirectly responsible for some of the things currently destroying the world as we speak.
Well, at the very least I'm pretty sure he's Thomas Friedman's dad, and he also killed Princess Di.JayDubya said:Not in the least.
At the GOOD Magazine party last night celebrating the second issue of the guide for do-gooders, Albert Gore III sat down for a rare interview. The young Mr. Gore - he's 24, and goes by Albert, not Al (and never 'lil Gore') - had lots of nice things to say about GOOD, where he is the associate publisher. He also had a little something to say about his father's presidential ambitions: Al Gore's not running.
"The political environment right now is incredibly toxic," said Mr. Gore, acknowledging that he was "running the risk of repeating some of what my dad has already said." He wore jeans, a blue polo shirt and a dark blue blazer. He has blond hair and fair skin - a sort of Nordic version of dad. "There's way too much money involved. It's not one person, one vote any more. It's really one dollar one vote or something equivalent to that. The more money you have the more power you have in politics, and the type of populism that my grandfather, I guess, conducted himself with, and the same with my father - I'm not sure there's as much room for that as there was. And, I don't know, I don't plan to go into politics for a lot of the same reasons - well, I don't know all of his reasons - but I know that he has no plans to run in 2008."
In the years since Al Gore has been out of office, Al and Albert have grown tighter than ever. They spend a lot of time talking and it's not all global warming, "though that's definitely his passion," said the son.
"He's one of the smartest people I've ever met in my life, he's my best friend, and he's taught me more than anyone," he said. "I think that the country would be a lot better off but selfishly I'm glad that I get to spend a lot more time with him and I'm glad that he gets more days off a year."
And he's making more money, right?
"Well, and he's working in Hollywood. He's in my neighborhood all the time. He worked very hard in the years that he was in the White House and now I get to see him all the time and I treasure every moment."
So he's definitely not running?
"Well, I guess I have to add his addendum. I think the way he always says it is, 'I don't see any circumstances under which I would run for president.'"
Some 30 invited corporate representatives and other lobbyists gathered at the Phoenix Park Hotel on Capitol Hill Tuesday morning to hear two senior mainstream Republican senators pitch the 2008 presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain. They were selling him to establishment Republicans as the establishment's candidate. Nothing could be further from McCain's guerrilla-style presidential run in 2000 that nearly stopped George W. Bush.
Invitations to Tuesday's event were sent by Trent Lott, the newly elected Senate minority whip. Over coffee, Lott and Sen. Pat Roberts pushed McCain, though neither previously was seen as a McCainiac. They were not for McCain in 2000, and neither were the assembled party activists.
It is beginning to look like "McCain, Inc." -- that is, party regulars, corporate officials and Washington lawyers and lobbyists moving toward John McCain, the man it feared and loathed eight years ago. The GOP, abhorring competition and detesting surprises, likes to establish its presidential nominee well in advance.
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A second surprise at the coffee hour was the appearance at Lott's side of Roberts, even though his fellow Kansas senator, Sam Brownback, also is running for president. Roberts noted that in his Tuesday remarks, but asserted McCain is the right man in the right place at the right time. Lott said much the same thing, while conceding policy disagreements with McCain (notably global warming).
Veteran Republican operative Rick Davis, a longtime McCain campaign aide, ended the meeting by urging the insiders to get in on the ground floor with McCain. He passed out a red folder containing a money solicitation ($2,100 per individual, $4,200 per couple, and up to $100,000 for a full sponsorship) and McCain's post-election speech to GOPAC ("Common Sense Conservatism").
That speech showed McCain, even as the putative establishment candidate, is still not Miss Congeniality. While many colleagues blamed the 2006 election defeat on the president, McCain said: "We lost our principles and our majority. And there is no way to recover our majority without recovering our principles first." At a time when Republicans want to hurry out of Iraq, McCain reiterated support for the Iraq intervention and declared "victory is still attainable."
Former Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards intends to enter the 2008 race for the White House, two Democratic officials said Saturday.
Edwards, who represented North Carolina in the Senate for six years, plans to make the campaign announcement late this month from the New Orleans neighborhood hit hardest by Hurricane Katrina last year and slow to recover from the storm.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they did not want to pre-empt Edwards announcement.lol)
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton beats John McCain and ties Rudolph Giuliani in a new Newsweek national poll, a stunning counterpoint to recent surveys showing the former first lady trailing the GOP's dueling presidential frontrunners. The poll, taken earlier this month, shows Clinton besting McCain 50 to 43 percent among 1,000 registered voters nationwide. It also showed her in a dead heat with McCain among independents, a group that has proven stubbornly resistant to her centrist message.
The Newsweek numbers on the head-to-head presidential matchups were not publicized by the magazine. They appeared in a press release on the magazine's Web site but weren't included in a Clinton-Barack Obama cover story, which focused on whether Americans were receptive to black or female presidential candidates. A Newsweek editor said the poll matchups were not pertinent to the cover story.
"Right. The poll numbers regarding how receptive voters were to Clinton and Obama were not pertinent to a cover story "which focused on whether Americans were receptive to black or female presidential candidates."
GhaleonEB said:http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/...ey-trying-to-protect-the-st-mccain-narrative/
Newsweek runs a cover story asking if America is ready for Clinton or Obama, but decides to cut their own polling data from the article showing Clinton leading, and Obama behind by low single-digits against the Republican front-runners, presumably because the data didn't match the narrative of their story.
Nice one, Newsweek.
Cute.ToxicAdam said:Reeling from Diablos' stunning kiss of death
look at the extra data on pollsronito said:WHO ARE THESE DEMOCRATS THAT LIKE HILLARY?!!
Cyan said:Ugh. Looks like the Democratic candidate is going to be someone unelectable. Hopefully by the time the primaries roll around, more people will know about Obama.
The opening stages of the campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination have produced a noticeable shift in sentiment among African American voters, who little more than a month ago heavily supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton but now favor the candidacy of Sen. Barack Obama.
Clinton, of New York, continues to lead Obama and other rivals in the Democratic contest, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll. But her once-sizable margin over the freshman senator from Illinois was sliced in half during the past month largely because of Obama's growing support among black voters.
In the Republican race, former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, who recently made clear his intentions to seek the presidency, has expanded his lead over Sen. John McCain of Arizona. Giuliani holds a 2 to 1 advantage over McCain among Republicans, according to the poll, more than tripling his margin of a month ago.
The principal reason was a shift among white evangelical Protestants, who now clearly favor Giuliani over McCain. Giuliani is doing well among this group of Americans despite his support of abortion rights and gay rights, two issues of great importance to religious conservatives. McCain opposes abortion rights.
Among Democrats, Clinton still enjoys many of the advantages of a traditional front-runner. Pitted against Obama and former senator John Edwards of North Carolina, she was seen by Democrats as the candidate with the best experience to be president, as the strongest leader, as having the best chance to get elected, as the closest to voters on the issues and as the candidate who best understands the problems "of people like you." Obama was seen as the most inspirational.
The Post-ABC News poll was completed days after aides to the two leading Democrats engaged in a testy exchange over comments critical of Clinton and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, by Hollywood mogul David Geffen, a former friend and financial backer of the Clintons who held a fundraiser for Obama last week in Los Angeles.
Early national polls are not always good predictors for presidential campaigns, but the Post-ABC poll offers clues to the competition ahead.
On the January weekend when she announced her candidacy, Clinton led the Democratic field with 41 percent. Obama was second at 17 percent, Edwards was third at 11 percent and former vice president Al Gore, who has said he has no plans to run, was fourth at 10 percent.
The latest poll put Clinton at 36 percent, Obama at 24 percent, Gore at 14 percent and Edwards at 12 percent. None of the other Democrats running received more than 3 percent. With Gore removed from the field, Clinton would gain ground on Obama, leading the Illinois senator 43 percent to 27 percent. Edwards ran third at 14 percent. The poll was completed the night Gore's documentary film "An Inconvenient Truth" won an Academy Award.
Clinton's and Obama's support among white voters changed little since December, but the shifts among black Democrats were dramatic. In December and January Post-ABC News polls, Clinton led Obama among African Americans by 60 percent to 20 percent. In the new poll, Obama held a narrow advantage among blacks, 44 percent to 33 percent. The shift came despite four in five blacks having a favorable impression of the New York senator.
African Americans view Clinton even more positively than they see Obama, but in the time since he began his campaign, his favorability rating rose significantly among blacks. In the latest poll, 70 percent of African Americans said they had a favorable impression of Obama, compared with 54 percent in December and January.
Overall, Clinton's favorability ratings dipped slightly from January, with 49 percent of Americans having a favorable impression and 48 percent an unfavorable impression. Obama's ratings among all Americans improved over the past month, with 53 percent saying they have a favorable impression and 30 percent saying they have an unfavorable impression.
Her position on the war in Iraq does not appear to be hurting Clinton among Democrats, even though she has faced hostile questioning from some voters about her 2002 vote authorizing President Bush to go to war. Some Democrats have demanded that she apologize for the vote, which she has declined to do.
In the Republican contest, McCain was once seen as the early, if fragile, front-runner for his party's nomination, but Giuliani's surge adds a new dimension to the race. In the latest poll, the former New York mayor led among Republicans with 44 percent to McCain's 21 percent. Last month, Giuliani led with 34 percent to McCain's 27 percent.
Giuliani faces potential problems because of his views on abortion and gay rights. More than four in 10 Republicans said they were less likely to support him because of those views. More than two in 10 Republicans said there was "no chance" they would vote for him.
Election 2008: Giuliani 52% Clinton 43%
In a match-up between the early 2008 frontrunners, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) leads New York Senator Hillary Clinton (D) 52% to 43%. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Giulianis lead growing in recent months. His current nine-point advantage is up from a six point lead in January and a four-point lead in December.
Giuliani has solidified his title as the most popular candidate of Election 2008his favorability ratings have inched back up to 70% (see summary for all Republican candidates).
Clinton is viewed favorably by 50% and unfavorably by 48%. The last four times that Rasmussen Reports has polled on a Giuliani-Clinton race, Clintons support has remained unchanged at 43%.
While both candidates draw reasonable levels of support from within their own party, Giuliani has an enormous 64% to 27% advantage over Clinton among unaffiliated voters.
Clinton leads all Democratic Party hopefuls seeking their partys nomination trailed by Illinois Senator Barack Obama and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards. However, Edwards and Obama tend to do better in match-ups against Republican prospects. In the latest survey, while Clinton trails Giuliani by nine percentage points, Edwards trails only by two points, 46% to 44%. An earlier survey found Obama trailing Giuliani by six points.
Giuliani, to the surprise of many, has consistently led all Republicans seeking their partys nomination. Senator John McCain (R), the man thought by many to be the frontrunner when the season began, has trailed Giuliani in recent polls by double digits. McCain now leads Clinton by five percentage points, 47% to 42%. That is similar to the lead he enjoyed in December. Our January poll found McCain and Clinton tied.
A just completed poll found McCain leading former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack by 22 percentage points. Vilsack has since dropped out of the Presidential race.
Wow, Geffen was right. Put Hillary against McCain, suddenly the "undecided" percentage goes to 0%. Looks like she is in the unfortunate position of being known and disliked.Pres '08 NBC/WSJ Dec 13 McCain (R) 47%, Clinton (D) 43%
the was some article going round about how obama doesnt have blue collar supportThe Experiment said:The lack of Obama domination is disturbing. Now he is getting outpaced by that POS John Edwards? ****ing Christ.
The Experiment said:The lack of Obama domination is disturbing. Now he is getting outpaced by that POS John Edwards? ****ing Christ.