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The Official Presidential Polling Thread (ALL presidential polling data goes here)

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Triumph

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JayDubya said:
Remember when you got cranky because you thought I equated Marx with Lenin? That was a more fair comparison, by far, than what you just did.
Whatever, dude. The CIA sent Friedman's Chicago boys down to run Chile's economy into the ground after the coup. That's pretty well known.
 

JayDubya

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ronito said:
Proof that even God hates libertarians.

Proof that people born in or before 1915 are running close to their expiration date. :lol

Triumph Dolomite 1300cc said:
Whatever, dude. The CIA sent Friedman's Chicago boys down to run Chile's economy into the ground after the coup. That's pretty well known.

Err? The Chicago Boys were all from Chile. They came to the US to learn ecomomics, most of them at the Univ. of Chicago where the zomg most brilliant economist evar learned them good. They went back and teh result was "teh Miracle of Chile." All was puppies and sunshine, and they all lived happily ever after. The End.
 

ronito

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JayDubya said:
Proof that people born in or before 1915 are running close to their expiration date. :lol
Say what you want, but Uncle Milty's frying down there with old Pinochet. You say it's because they're old, I say it because their souls couldn't stand to be in their bodies another second.
 

Triumph

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JayDubya said:
Err? The Chicago Boys were all from Chile. They came to the US to learn ecomomics, most of them at the Univ. of Chicago where the zomg most brilliant economist evar learned them good. They went back and teh result was "teh Miracle of Chile." All was puppies and sunshine, and they all lived happily ever after. The End.
So you're saying that the CIA had NOTHING to do with the coup and putting those bozos down there? Also, it's funny to me that people will point to Chile as a triumph of open market, crazy ass golden straight jacket economics. The country was actually going into the shitter until they started enacting some reforms that looked suspiciously like socialism...
 

Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
If Milty was the most brilliant economist of all time, and monetarism failed, all economists must be pretty crappy.
 
For my little prettyheads...

11/10-11

McCain (R) 49
Vilsack (D) 32

Romney (R) 35
Vilsack (D) 39

11/26-27

McCain (R) 48
Clinton (D) 44

Giuliani (R) 48
Clinton (D) 43

11/28-29

Gingrich (R) 41
Clinton (D) 50

Gingrich (R) 38
Obama (D) 48

11/30-12/1

McCain (R) 53
Kerry (D) 36

Giuliani (R) 51
Kerry (D) 37

12/2-3

Gingrich (R) 38
Kerry (D) 47

Gingrich (R) 36
Gore (D) 52

12/6:

Romney (R) 40
Clinton (D) 48

Romney (R) 39
Gore (D) 48

12/10-11

Giuliani (R) 51
Bayh (D) 34

McCain (R) 52
Bayh (D) 32
 
siamesedreamer said:
Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with what you said. I think its going to be a fascinating election.

(You like Huckabee? - I don't know much about him)


governor of kansas i believe. a good moderate. supports education (specaially art programs so he getsa gold star in my book) he'd be a good choice.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
governor of kansas i believe. a good moderate. supports education (specaially art programs so he getsa gold star in my book) he'd be a good choice.

*arkansas. and he likes to raise taxes! a liberals wet dream!!

:swoon
 
I don't like Huckabee. I don't like conservatives as elected members of a government that represents me as a rule, though. He does have a lot of things that would make him palatable in both the primary and the general election for the GOP, and is probably a decent choice given the incredible baggage of most of the other big-name candidates.

Rassmussen needs to poll Edwards. His really sharpened up his game a notch and has been working the early primary states like crazy.
 

Triumph

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Aristotlekh said:
Touch a nerve, did we? Sorry, Friedman is indirectly responsible for some of the things currently destroying the world as we speak.

Besides, there was only ONE awesome Milty:

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JayDubya

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Triumph Dolomite 1300cc said:
Sorry, Friedman is indirectly responsible for some of the things currently destroying the world as we speak.

Not in the least. Old Milty with his non-aggression principle is responsible for destruction. Riiiiight.

Let's either stop this, or make a split thread. No matter how much you consider him to be like Galactus, Milton has nothing to do with Presidential Polling.
 

Triumph

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JayDubya said:
Not in the least.
Well, at the very least I'm pretty sure he's Thomas Friedman's dad, and he also killed Princess Di.

On a serious tip, I respect Friedman for what he did re: the draft and his positions on prostitution and drugs. But come on now, looking back at what happened after a lot of his ideas were implemented here and the UK in the 80's can you really tell me that he was right? Yeah, YOU probably can, but I don't expect someone looking at it rationally to do the same.
 
Some stuff to chew on.

Al Gore's son sez Dad isn't running in 2008:

At the GOOD Magazine party last night celebrating the second issue of the guide for do-gooders, Albert Gore III sat down for a rare interview. The young Mr. Gore - he's 24, and goes by Albert, not Al (and never 'lil Gore') - had lots of nice things to say about GOOD, where he is the associate publisher. He also had a little something to say about his father's presidential ambitions: Al Gore's not running.

"The political environment right now is incredibly toxic," said Mr. Gore, acknowledging that he was "running the risk of repeating some of what my dad has already said." He wore jeans, a blue polo shirt and a dark blue blazer. He has blond hair and fair skin - a sort of Nordic version of dad. "There's way too much money involved. It's not one person, one vote any more. It's really one dollar one vote or something equivalent to that. The more money you have the more power you have in politics, and the type of populism that my grandfather, I guess, conducted himself with, and the same with my father - I'm not sure there's as much room for that as there was. And, I don't know, I don't plan to go into politics for a lot of the same reasons - well, I don't know all of his reasons - but I know that he has no plans to run in 2008."

In the years since Al Gore has been out of office, Al and Albert have grown tighter than ever. They spend a lot of time talking and it's not all global warming, "though that's definitely his passion," said the son.

"He's one of the smartest people I've ever met in my life, he's my best friend, and he's taught me more than anyone," he said. "I think that the country would be a lot better off but selfishly I'm glad that I get to spend a lot more time with him and I'm glad that he gets more days off a year."

And he's making more money, right?

"Well, and he's working in Hollywood. He's in my neighborhood all the time. He worked very hard in the years that he was in the White House and now I get to see him all the time and I treasure every moment."

So he's definitely not running?

"Well, I guess I have to add his addendum. I think the way he always says it is, 'I don't see any circumstances under which I would run for president.'"

And from the Prince of Darkness, on McCain, Inc.:
Some 30 invited corporate representatives and other lobbyists gathered at the Phoenix Park Hotel on Capitol Hill Tuesday morning to hear two senior mainstream Republican senators pitch the 2008 presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain. They were selling him to establishment Republicans as the establishment's candidate. Nothing could be further from McCain's guerrilla-style presidential run in 2000 that nearly stopped George W. Bush.

Invitations to Tuesday's event were sent by Trent Lott, the newly elected Senate minority whip. Over coffee, Lott and Sen. Pat Roberts pushed McCain, though neither previously was seen as a McCainiac. They were not for McCain in 2000, and neither were the assembled party activists.

It is beginning to look like "McCain, Inc." -- that is, party regulars, corporate officials and Washington lawyers and lobbyists moving toward John McCain, the man it feared and loathed eight years ago. The GOP, abhorring competition and detesting surprises, likes to establish its presidential nominee well in advance.

...

A second surprise at the coffee hour was the appearance at Lott's side of Roberts, even though his fellow Kansas senator, Sam Brownback, also is running for president. Roberts noted that in his Tuesday remarks, but asserted McCain is the right man in the right place at the right time. Lott said much the same thing, while conceding policy disagreements with McCain (notably global warming).

Veteran Republican operative Rick Davis, a longtime McCain campaign aide, ended the meeting by urging the insiders to get in on the ground floor with McCain. He passed out a red folder containing a money solicitation ($2,100 per individual, $4,200 per couple, and up to $100,000 for a full sponsorship) and McCain's post-election speech to GOPAC ("Common Sense Conservatism").

That speech showed McCain, even as the putative establishment candidate, is still not Miss Congeniality. While many colleagues blamed the 2006 election defeat on the president, McCain said: "We lost our principles and our majority. And there is no way to recover our majority without recovering our principles first." At a time when Republicans want to hurry out of Iraq, McCain reiterated support for the Iraq intervention and declared "victory is still attainable."

More at link.
 
First thing I thought of when he dropped out, "Damn, wasn't Diablos pimping him hard?" :lol :lol :lol :lol And, yeah, he's a terrible, boring, monotone speaker and even less charismatic than Kerry. What really chaps my ass is the fact that he raised $11 million for this ill-fated adventure and didn't dole out ONE DAMN DIME to any Democratic cause for the 2006 midterms. Meanwhile, from Senator Kerry(18+ million) to Rep. Barney Frank(300k) to countless others, Democrats were doing everything they could to help out their colleagues. Bayh didn't do jack shit and he must have known that would have bit him in the ass, too. Penny-pinching dipshit... he can go back to being a true conservative Democrat, now.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16239360/

Former Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards intends to enter the 2008 race for the White House, two Democratic officials said Saturday.

Edwards, who represented North Carolina in the Senate for six years, plans to make the campaign announcement late this month from the New Orleans neighborhood hit hardest by Hurricane Katrina last year and slow to recover from the storm.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they did not want to pre-empt Edwards’ announcement. :)lol)

Yesssssss.
 

GhaleonEB

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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/...ey-trying-to-protect-the-st-mccain-narrative/

Newsweek runs a cover story asking if America is ready for Clinton or Obama, but decides to cut their own polling data from the article showing Clinton leading, and Obama behind by low single-digits against the Republican front-runners, presumably because the data didn't match the narrative of their story.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton beats John McCain and ties Rudolph Giuliani in a new Newsweek national poll, a stunning counterpoint to recent surveys showing the former first lady trailing the GOP's dueling presidential frontrunners. The poll, taken earlier this month, shows Clinton besting McCain 50 to 43 percent among 1,000 registered voters nationwide. It also showed her in a dead heat with McCain among independents, a group that has proven stubbornly resistant to her centrist message.

The Newsweek numbers on the head-to-head presidential matchups were not publicized by the magazine. They appeared in a press release on the magazine's Web site but weren't included in a Clinton-Barack Obama cover story, which focused on whether Americans were receptive to black or female presidential candidates. A Newsweek editor said the poll matchups were not pertinent to the cover story.
"Right. The poll numbers regarding how receptive voters were to Clinton and Obama were not pertinent to a cover story "which focused on whether Americans were receptive to black or female presidential candidates.
"

Nice one, Newsweek.
 

Cheebs

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GhaleonEB said:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/...ey-trying-to-protect-the-st-mccain-narrative/

Newsweek runs a cover story asking if America is ready for Clinton or Obama, but decides to cut their own polling data from the article showing Clinton leading, and Obama behind by low single-digits against the Republican front-runners, presumably because the data didn't match the narrative of their story.



Nice one, Newsweek.

It makes sense to not compare them. YET. Clinton has nearly 100% name recognition while Obama is I believe 59% name recognition. That impacts his polls when 40% don't have a clue who he is.
 

Diablos

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ToxicAdam said:
Cute. :)

I'm not really upset, but I do like Evan Bayh -- he's too moderate for me personally, but I'd still take him over anyone representing the GOP, and I'm pretty desperate to see just about any Democrat (unless they're some nutcase like Zell Miller) win. This country likes moderates, and he is just that. Incognito, I won't argue your point about what Bayh didn't do for his own party when they could have used his help, as I've noticed that as well. But I do disagree when you say he has no charisma.
 
Bayh is a good speaker and has charisma. His problem is that he doesn't have the whole package together already and it looks like the big three-Clinton, Obama, and the NotClintonOrObama (presumably Edwards) pretty much have all their ducks in a row and the first pick for staff and donors. This primary has some heavy hitters from the get-go and the smaller-profile types are worried about getting run over before the whole thing starts.
 

Cheebs

Member
NewsWeek poll out today.

Edwards, Obama, and Hillary all beat McCain:

McCain: 47%
Clinton: 48%

McCain: 44%
Obama: 46%

McCain: 43%
Edwards: 48%
 

ToxicAdam

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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/24/2008-kerry-not-running/


2008: Kerry Not Running
By Adam Nagourney

In these days when everyone and their brother seems to be running for president, someone today decided that he was not: Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who lost to President Bush in 2004.
The news was relayed by a Democratic official in anticipation of an announcement later today.
Mr. Kerry had made clear after his narrow loss that he wanted to run again, and had spent much of the past two years traveling the country, trying to build support. But Democrats had seen his chances as increasingly remote. For one thing, he was up against what is emerging as one of the strongest Democratic fields in years. For another, much of his former supporters had made clear they would not join him again and were moving on to other candidates.
The final blow, many Democrats say, came during the last campaign when Mr. Kerry told what he said was a botched joke that Republicans seized on to try say Mr. Kerry, himself a veteran of the war in Vietnam, was insulting the troops in Iraq. The remarks produced a storm of controversy and left some Democrats – even those who thought Mr. Kerry’s statement was being unfairly reported – angered at a Democrat who had a history as a candidate of making politically damaging remarks.
A Democrat familiar with Mr. Kerry’s decision said that the Massachusetts senator had instead decided to run for re-election and to organize grassroots opposition to the war in Iraq.
 

ToxicAdam

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TIME: Hillary Clinton Way Ahead In Democratic Poll

The Democratic party clearly has a front-runner for the 2008 nomination, since a new TIME poll fits into some earlier findings…and now it’s an early trend:

Hillary Clinton is the clear front-runner to win the Democratic party’s nomination for President in 2008, but the Republican race will be a close contest between Senator John McCain and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani — with McCain edging Giuliani by a three- to four-point margin. And a presidential face-off between Clinton and McCain, right now, would be close to a dead heat. Those are some of the key findings of a new TIME poll earlier this week that canvassed a random sample of 1,064 registered voters by phone.

Despite the buzz generated by Senator Barack Obama entering the race, the survey found that Senator Clinton would beat him for the Democratic nomination by a margin of 40% to 21%. Senator John Edwards is a distant third with 11%. Obama clearly suffers a disadvantage in profile among likely voters, with only 51% indicating that they knew enough about him to form an opinion, compared with 94% saying the same of Hillary Clinton. In Obama’s favor, however, is his far lower negative ratings. While 58% of voters familiar with Hillary Clinton have a positive view of her, 41% give her negative marks, for a net favorability score of +17. By contrast, Obama’s net favorability score is +47. On the Republican side, Giuliani has a net favorability rating of +68, with only 14% having a negative view of him. McCain’s net favorability score is +45.

McCain, however, holds a narrow lead of 30% to 26% over Giuliani for the GOP nomination. A race between McCain and Clinton would be a virtual tie (47%-47%), according to the poll, while McCain would beat either Obama or Senator John Edwards by a 7-point margin.


TIME notes that it isn’t clear sailing for Ms. Clinton. Her popularity doesn’t translate across party lines, as Giuliani’s or McCain’s does. In other words: she starts the race as clear Democratic favorite but has to work on smoothing out perceptions of her that cause her to remain a polarizing figure (her appealing and accessible website announcement was an excellent start). This can be done but like McCain, she’s going to have to adroitly walk a shaky political tightrope within her own party to sew up the nomination.
 

Cheebs

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ronito said:
WHO ARE THESE DEMOCRATS THAT LIKE HILLARY?!!
look at the extra data on polls

6% of democrats say they dont know who hillary is/dont know enough about hillary

49% of democrats say they dont know who obama is/dont know enough about obama


Remember only one time in the last 50 years has a front runner won a open democratic primary
 

Cheebs

Member
These poll numbers prove one thing. No republican can win in 2008 if the war is going on.


The distance between hillary and mccain continues to grow....


This month:
Hillary: 50%
McCain: 44%

Last month:
Hillary: 48%
McCain: 47%


same story for Obama:
this month:
Obama: 48%
McCain: 42%

last month:
Obama: 46%
McCain: 44%
 
Cyan said:
Ugh. Looks like the Democratic candidate is going to be someone unelectable. Hopefully by the time the primaries roll around, more people will know about Obama.

Most Americans don't read national newspapers, news magazines, or watch CNN and still have no idea who Obama, hard though it is to believe. Personally, I'm still pulling for Edwards.
 

ToxicAdam

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/27/AR2007022701030_pf.html

Blacks Shift To Obama, Poll Finds


The opening stages of the campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination have produced a noticeable shift in sentiment among African American voters, who little more than a month ago heavily supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton but now favor the candidacy of Sen. Barack Obama.

Clinton, of New York, continues to lead Obama and other rivals in the Democratic contest, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll. But her once-sizable margin over the freshman senator from Illinois was sliced in half during the past month largely because of Obama's growing support among black voters.

In the Republican race, former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, who recently made clear his intentions to seek the presidency, has expanded his lead over Sen. John McCain of Arizona. Giuliani holds a 2 to 1 advantage over McCain among Republicans, according to the poll, more than tripling his margin of a month ago.

The principal reason was a shift among white evangelical Protestants, who now clearly favor Giuliani over McCain. Giuliani is doing well among this group of Americans despite his support of abortion rights and gay rights, two issues of great importance to religious conservatives. McCain opposes abortion rights.

Among Democrats, Clinton still enjoys many of the advantages of a traditional front-runner. Pitted against Obama and former senator John Edwards of North Carolina, she was seen by Democrats as the candidate with the best experience to be president, as the strongest leader, as having the best chance to get elected, as the closest to voters on the issues and as the candidate who best understands the problems "of people like you." Obama was seen as the most inspirational.

The Post-ABC News poll was completed days after aides to the two leading Democrats engaged in a testy exchange over comments critical of Clinton and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, by Hollywood mogul David Geffen, a former friend and financial backer of the Clintons who held a fundraiser for Obama last week in Los Angeles.

Early national polls are not always good predictors for presidential campaigns, but the Post-ABC poll offers clues to the competition ahead.

On the January weekend when she announced her candidacy, Clinton led the Democratic field with 41 percent. Obama was second at 17 percent, Edwards was third at 11 percent and former vice president Al Gore, who has said he has no plans to run, was fourth at 10 percent.

The latest poll put Clinton at 36 percent, Obama at 24 percent, Gore at 14 percent and Edwards at 12 percent. None of the other Democrats running received more than 3 percent. With Gore removed from the field, Clinton would gain ground on Obama, leading the Illinois senator 43 percent to 27 percent. Edwards ran third at 14 percent. The poll was completed the night Gore's documentary film "An Inconvenient Truth" won an Academy Award.

Clinton's and Obama's support among white voters changed little since December, but the shifts among black Democrats were dramatic. In December and January Post-ABC News polls, Clinton led Obama among African Americans by 60 percent to 20 percent. In the new poll, Obama held a narrow advantage among blacks, 44 percent to 33 percent. The shift came despite four in five blacks having a favorable impression of the New York senator.

African Americans view Clinton even more positively than they see Obama, but in the time since he began his campaign, his favorability rating rose significantly among blacks. In the latest poll, 70 percent of African Americans said they had a favorable impression of Obama, compared with 54 percent in December and January.

Overall, Clinton's favorability ratings dipped slightly from January, with 49 percent of Americans having a favorable impression and 48 percent an unfavorable impression. Obama's ratings among all Americans improved over the past month, with 53 percent saying they have a favorable impression and 30 percent saying they have an unfavorable impression.

Her position on the war in Iraq does not appear to be hurting Clinton among Democrats, even though she has faced hostile questioning from some voters about her 2002 vote authorizing President Bush to go to war. Some Democrats have demanded that she apologize for the vote, which she has declined to do.

In the Republican contest, McCain was once seen as the early, if fragile, front-runner for his party's nomination, but Giuliani's surge adds a new dimension to the race. In the latest poll, the former New York mayor led among Republicans with 44 percent to McCain's 21 percent. Last month, Giuliani led with 34 percent to McCain's 27 percent.

Giuliani faces potential problems because of his views on abortion and gay rights. More than four in 10 Republicans said they were less likely to support him because of those views. More than two in 10 Republicans said there was "no chance" they would vote for him.

I think it's hilarious that Al Gore (a non-committed candidate) is beating poor John Edwards.
Obama's only shot is to keep him in the race as long as possible.
 

Diablos

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http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/shadedgrey/comments/election_2008_giuliani_52_clinton_43/

Election 2008: Giuliani 52% Clinton 43%


In a match-up between the early 2008 frontrunners, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) leads New York Senator Hillary Clinton (D) 52% to 43%. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Giuliani’s lead growing in recent months. His current nine-point advantage is up from a six point lead in January and a four-point lead in December.

Giuliani has solidified his title as the most popular candidate of Election 2008—his favorability ratings have inched back up to 70% (see summary for all Republican candidates).

Clinton is viewed favorably by 50% and unfavorably by 48%. The last four times that Rasmussen Reports has polled on a Giuliani-Clinton race, Clinton’s support has remained unchanged at 43%.

While both candidates draw reasonable levels of support from within their own party, Giuliani has an enormous 64% to 27% advantage over Clinton among unaffiliated voters.

Clinton leads all Democratic Party hopefuls seeking their party’s nomination trailed by Illinois Senator Barack Obama and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards. However, Edwards and Obama tend to do better in match-ups against Republican prospects. In the latest survey, while Clinton trails Giuliani by nine percentage points, Edwards trails only by two points, 46% to 44%. An earlier survey found Obama trailing Giuliani by six points.



Giuliani, to the surprise of many, has consistently led all Republicans seeking their party’s nomination. Senator John McCain (R), the man thought by many to be the frontrunner when the season began, has trailed Giuliani in recent polls by double digits. McCain now leads Clinton by five percentage points, 47% to 42%. That is similar to the lead he enjoyed in December. Our January poll found McCain and Clinton tied.

A just completed poll found McCain leading former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack by 22 percentage points. Vilsack has since dropped out of the Presidential race.
 
South Carolina straw poll results:

Giuliani
Hunter
McCain
Romney
Brownback

I'll wait for an official link that shows the percentages.......
 

terrene

Banned
Pres '08 NBC/WSJ Dec 13 McCain (R) 47%, Clinton (D) 43%
Wow, Geffen was right. Put Hillary against McCain, suddenly the "undecided" percentage goes to 0%. Looks like she is in the unfortunate position of being known and disliked.

12/13 is pretty crusty data - how about keeping that OP fresh with the latest?
 
Obama is in the ATL for the first time in his campaign for a fundraiser. Poll from a local polling company for the state of GA:

Hillary Clinton: 32 percent
John Edwards: 28 percent
Barack Obama: 18 percent


Newt Gingrich: 25 percent
Rudy Giuliani: 24 percent
John McCain: 13 percent

11Alive
 

wave dial

Completely unable to understand satire
The Experiment said:
The lack of Obama domination is disturbing. Now he is getting outpaced by that POS John Edwards? ****ing Christ.
the was some article going round about how obama doesnt have blue collar support
 

Lo-Volt

Member
Could things be any worse for George W. Bush and his beleaguered party? In the new TIME poll, the President's job approval rating continues to wallow near his all-time lows, at 33%, while his disapproval rating breaks the 60% barrier for the third consecutive survey. On Iraq, meanwhile, just 38% of respondents think the U.S. was right to invade, and only 37% believe "the new Iraqi government will be able to build a stable and reasonably Democratic society." Given a choice of policy options going forward, 68% endorse proposals to withdraw most combat troops, either within a year or no later than August 31, 2008, while just 28% say troops should stay in the country "as long as needed until the Iraqis can handle the situation themselves."

And then there's the burgeoning scandal stemming from the Justice Department's dismissal last year of eight U.S. attorneys. Forty-eight percent of respondents say the federal prosecutors were fired because they "refused to be pressured by politics," compared to just 22% who believe they were dismissed "for proper reasons." By a 55-33% margin, Americans believe Bush is refusing to allow top aide Karl Rove and other White House aides to testify under oath "because he's trying to cover up the reasons for the firings" , not because he "wants to preserve the Constitution's separation of powers." A slight plurality, 39-36%, believe Attorney General Alberto Gonzales should resign.

So it's taken almost as a given among the professional political class that the 2008 presidential election is the Democrats' to lose. Republicans are so morose in general, and conservatives so unhappy with their current field of candidates, that the assumption of a Democratic advantage has become bi-partisan. And with the public so soured on the Republican in the White House, and so many other trends working against them, including an up-tick in the percentage of Americans identifying themselves as Democrats , it's hard to find any good news for Republicans these days. So why, in poll after poll, including the new TIME poll, does that advantage seem to disappear whenever voters are asked to pick a president in hypothetical head-to-head match-ups among front-runners with solid name recognition. In our poll, Hillary Clinton loses to John McCain, 42-48%, and to Rudy Giuliani 41-50%. Even though Clinton maintains a 7% edge over Obama among Democratic respondents, Obama fares better in the general election match-ups. It's so close that it's a statistical dead-heat, but Obama still loses: 43-45% to McCain, 44-45% to Giuliani.

It's hard to know exactly why respondents who are generally unhappy towards — and in many cases fed up with — the GOP might still prefer a Republican for president over a Democrat. Much of it has to do with the individual candidates involved. In Clinton's case, as TIME pollster Mark Schulman points out, "with Hillary the Democratic front-runner, most voters have made up their minds about her, both pro and con. She may have limited upward potential against Republicans. The emerging anti-Hillaries, Obama and Edwards, suffer from low awareness at this point."

Another GOP advantage in these match-ups is the way the party's top two candidates are viewed by the public. "Giuliani and McCain are not traditional Republicans," says Schulman. "Rather they both have an independent streak that plays well in certain traditional Democratic bastions, such as the Northeast and California, the left and right coasts." As anyone following the campaign knows, the perceived "independent streak" that helps both McCain and Giuliani with the general electorate could hurt them, and possibly doom them, with GOP primary voters. Also, as Schulman points out, every Republican candidate is vulnerable because of his support for Bush's policy in Iraq and his closeness to Bush in general. "If Iraq persists as an issue, all of our polls show this will undercut Republican candidates," he says. "Being seen as 'close to Bush' is a real negative in the polls. When the campaign really heats up, the Democrats should have a lot of cards to play."

Democrats also may have a residual disadvantage going into 2008 — a long-standing disposition among voters to view Republicans as stronger on issues involving national security. Without question, Bush has done serious damage to the Republican brand in this arena. But, with the nation waging two wars and terrorism still a threat, that underlying sentiment might be one of the reasons GOP candidates appear competitive at all.

There are other interesting developments in the poll. John Edwards has surged among Democrats since he announced that his wife Elizabeth's cancer had recurred. In a three-way match-up, Clinton polls 38% among registered Democrats, vs 30% for Obama and 26% for Edwards. Edwards received just 17% in mid-March.

In the GOP race, Giuliani's post-announcement honeymoon appears to be over. The former New York City mayor's lead over erstwhile front-runner McCain has narrowed to 13 points, 35-22%, among registered Republicans, down from a 20-point lead two weeks ago. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1604469,00.html?cnn=yes
 
Gallup New Hampshire GOP poll:

Romney - 25%
McCain - 25%
Guiliani - 18%

They said Romney has doubled his percentage there in the last two months.
 

Lo-Volt

Member
It seems New Yorkers still like Hillary more than they like Rudy -- and they may even prefer an Illinois senator to the former New York City mayor.

In the latest Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday, Sen. Hillary Clinton tops Rudy Giuliani with 50 percent to 42 percent of the vote in a head-to-head matchup.

The margin between the two candidates narrowed slightly from the last poll, taken in mid-February, when Clinton led Giuliani 50 percent to 40 percent.

When asked to pick between Giuliani and Sen. Barack Obama, New Yorkers were split, with each candidate receiving 44 percent of the vote. Respondents were not asked to pick between the two candidates in the previous poll.

The results may reflect the difficulties Giuliani faces, even in his own state, in a tough period for Republican nationwide. New Yorkers gave President George W. Bush an approval rating of just 26 percent, compared to a 68 percent approval for Clinton.

Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, cautions reading too much into the results for Giuliani. "It reflects that [New York] is a Democratic state," says Carroll.

"Giuliani was New York's mayor--but he's not New York's president."

When asked who they prefer among just the Republican candidates, Giuliani crushed his rivals, with 52 percent of New York voters supporting him, compared to 13 percent for Sen. John McCain. Former New York Gov. George Pataki registered just 6 percent of the vote, with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney receiving 4 percent.

Clinton outpaced her Democratic rivals as well, with 44 percent support compared to 14 percent for Obama. Former presidential candidate Al Gore also registered 14 percent, with ex-Senator John Edwards trailing at 9 percent.

The telephone poll of 1,548 registered New York state voters was conducted March 28-April 2, before the fundraising totals for the first quarter of 2007 were released, which showed surprising strength for Obama and Romney.

It has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.

The Democratic sample of 680 voters had a sampling error margin of plus or minus 4 percentage points while the Republican sample of 476 voters had a sampling error margin of plus or minus 4.5 percent. http://www.amny.com/news/local/am-poll0406,0,6595077,print.story?coll=am-local-headlines
 
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