Bam, exactly my thoughts too. Most of the time something becomes so memorable and loved is because it broke new ground.
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"Touchscreen interface is going to get Wii U further than Wii got" says Ubisoft
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Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Mental laziness in not wanting to spell out WIIU GAMEPAD each time I'll excuse mostly. Trying to argue the device can be conceptually considered anything in the realm of a Kindle, iPad, or any other genuine tablet you can take out of the house because they are fully housed computer devices is when I start throwing out the accusations of you being a fantasist and need to get a grip.
Don't go there. The rest of this thread is doing quite well explaining the differences. It doesn't need this console wars bullshit tossed into it.
Isn't that the root of the problem though?
But they arnt running on the device there running on the wii u not the gamepad. I dont get how your not understanding.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Could be cool if creative minds do something really special with the screen. So far, I haven't seen much of anything that rises above "gimmick" status as far as uses go for that screen.
In a cloud era I would assume anyone would understand the logic.
I think that's the opposite: they are putting big efforts in the console because they think that this interface could be appealing to a broader market
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
No it wont. Nursing homes and old women bought Wiis as exercise equipment. I doubt they will buy a WiiU because of a touchscreen.
The motion controls were something new that appealed to everyone. We already have touchscreen gaming and it can be had for 1.99.
The motion controls were something new that appealed to everyone. We already have touchscreen gaming and it can be had for 1.99.
Does it work via wi-fi, 3G or through any other internet protocol? Because I thought it just streamed stuff from the console. Which isn't cloud. Maybe you should look up the definition of that too.
The logic. You don't need apps to be installed on the device to make use of it.
I think both the ubi exclusive titles have been moneyhatted by nintendo otherwise rayman which is a multiplat franchise would be on the 360 too
A gimmick in your eyes may not be in another persons. I think that being able to transfer your game to the tablet (this is especially nice for kids who don't have their own TV) and even display menus is pretty useful.
The tablet also means we could get something like a Pokemon Ranger game on the Wii U eShop. I may be in the minority, but I enjoyed the game.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Did you know the PSVITA is now a fully functional desktop PC running on Windows7 and so of course Steam and all of your steam library?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXZiychRKTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJSp35ggE34
Because hurrrr durrr, thats whats on the screen larry.
Also:
This mirror is now a second HDTV! You can now totally refer to that mirror as a television device, because fuck words and definitions right?!
Also I feel like I need to report you to some form of international governing body with you constantly using the word logic. Some kind of word police.
test_account
XP-39C²
It can have same functionalities as a tablet indeed, but it is missing the portable element. When people think about tablets, they think of a portable device that they can use anywhere.
To take another example on this, i dont know how many of you that remember some of the first smartphones. These were not portable, but they were phones that required a landline to work. They had a screen and you could connect to the internet with them and do different stuff. Today however, when people think of smartphones, they think of cellphones, not those old phones.
I guess that you can technically call the the WiiU controller as some sort of tablet because it has the fuctionalities, the same as you can call those old phones for smartphones. But i'm sure that most people think of portability when they think of tablets and smartphones.
Sohter.Nura
Member
I think what they are trying to say is that the fact that everybody is familiar with touchscreens will help boost sales of the Wii U, since it will feel more familiar to the casual crowd.
I can see it happening, but at the same time these same people are used to paying very, very little for their games, I have a hard time picturing them shelling out 50-60 for a game.
I can see it happening, but at the same time these same people are used to paying very, very little for their games, I have a hard time picturing them shelling out 50-60 for a game.
I think they are putting effort into the console because they don't want to be caught off guard in case lightning strikes twice for Nintendo.
I see them giving as much, if not more support, to the PS4 and 720 even though they likely won't have a similar interface.
They are just covering their bases the best they can. It's in their best interest to promote the Wii-U whenever possible. A great Wii-U launch improves the chances their software will sell better. I really don't think appealing to a broader market has anything to do with this since the market that will jump on a launch is rarely the broader market.
So the Dreamcast controller was a tablet with the VMU?
I don't think Nintendo moneyhatted anything. I think they just want to provide the Wii-U with exclusive support and the games already in development was the most cost efficient option.
Besides, they already said Zombie-U may appear on the PS3 and 360, right?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Well, good thing Wii U retains motion controls and Wii Fit then.
Yeh that's not my point at all. Thankfully no-one is taking you seriously so I'll get off the merry-go-round before the next rotation.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I guess they'll be in for a big suprise.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Good thing no devs will use it.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Concept for Wii:
A touch screen, like a tv remote before it, is something pretty much everybody has experience with. I believe, like the wiimote, people want to hold this controller. Both have extra buttons that make them look more complicated then they really have to be, but once people experience what the controllers are at the base (wiimote - motion, Gamerpad - motion + touch) they understand how intuitive and user friendly they really are.
As for potential, the system is basically a combination of the Wii and DS. Developers have had time with each device/input now, therefore they should be able to create greater experiences with them this time around. Playing something like Pikimin 3, Rayman Legends, and Nintendoland proves that, when these inputs are combined, you can create extremely intuitive, deep gaming experiences that cannot be replicated anywhere else. This factor will be the one that could potentially create a phenomenon like the Wii, and I think if said phenomenon happens, it could be sustained much longer then the Wii.
Personally though, I think the WiiU is a bit too late (should of been released last year or earlier), but will undoubtly be a successful video game console in the end. Similar to the 3DS, I think it will be very popular in Asia, and semi-popular in America (yet do much better numbers then the 3DS in America because of the home-console market being THE gaming market here).
A touch screen, like a tv remote before it, is something pretty much everybody has experience with. I believe, like the wiimote, people want to hold this controller. Both have extra buttons that make them look more complicated then they really have to be, but once people experience what the controllers are at the base (wiimote - motion, Gamerpad - motion + touch) they understand how intuitive and user friendly they really are.
As for potential, the system is basically a combination of the Wii and DS. Developers have had time with each device/input now, therefore they should be able to create greater experiences with them this time around. Playing something like Pikimin 3, Rayman Legends, and Nintendoland proves that, when these inputs are combined, you can create extremely intuitive, deep gaming experiences that cannot be replicated anywhere else. This factor will be the one that could potentially create a phenomenon like the Wii, and I think if said phenomenon happens, it could be sustained much longer then the Wii.
Personally though, I think the WiiU is a bit too late (should of been released last year or earlier), but will undoubtly be a successful video game console in the end. Similar to the 3DS, I think it will be very popular in Asia, and semi-popular in America (yet do much better numbers then the 3DS in America because of the home-console market being THE gaming market here).
Omg wtf, why do you even have to bring her into a discussion about a touchscreen videogame system.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I expect the most compelling 3rd party uses to come from the eShop. And even then, it's going to be mostly PC/iOS conversions.
Well if both rayman and zombi-u release day and date on multiple consoles i'd be more inclined to believe that,i don't think in this day and age any publisher is 'nice' enough to provide exclusive support to a new console over the current huge fanbase of the hd twins
I made my point then.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
It's already being used for the sorts of casualware that drove Wii originally (Just Dance 4, Wii Fit U, etc). Core games will probably avoid it in general, but that makes no difference to the mainstream.
You do make a point. Maybe Nintendo offered to help with marketing, which I understand is a form of moneyhatting.
That you will believe what you want to believe regardless of how much it defies reality to the point of making other people just give up trying to reason with you?
i can perfectly live with the 5 of you who'll refuse to call it a tablet.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Answer this:
This mirror is now a second HDTV! You can now totally refer to that mirror as a television device, because fuck words and definitions right?!
Monty Mole
Member
No, the iPad is just a shitty over-sized DS with only one screen and no buttons.
darkistheway
Member
I think that Nintendo bringing the intuitive, touch-based "tablet-esque" controller into the living room with the power of a modern console is a very good bet for the company. Obviously, at this point, we can't really guess at how successful it will be but it has the potential to really draw in the average consumer (much like the wii did). It all comes down to software that showcases and sells the unique features.
No answer for this question?
Edit:
Or Pie and Beans' question works too.
I think the mainstream will just play such casualware on the wii rather than buy another console costing $250 or more
What exactly do you mean here by a modern console?ps3/360 are not modern and the ps4/nextbox will be ahead of wii-u in terms of power most likely
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
It's not a tablet, geez. I guess you could call it tablet-lite, or tablet-like, or a 'tablet' for the home, but it's not a tablet. The Vita is more like a tablet, honestly. :lol
I personally like to think of it as a socially interactive, universal Gamerpad.
I personally like to think of it as a socially interactive, universal Gamerpad.
Monty Mole
Member
I think software is the real problem at the moment. Nobody seemed to have an issue with the idea of the Wii U or the GamePad until E3, when the software line-up seemed somewhat sparse. It still does. Nintendo need to show more of what's to come in the future.
darkistheway
Member
MadeInBeats
Banned
By taking customers off-a MS and Sony... SHOCK ... HORROR... THWACK.. BOSH...
This thread delivers.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Supposedly Nintendo's offering to match advertising dollars for all games within the launch window, exclusive or otherwise. It's one of the bigger developer/publisher incentives to draw support generally, another being just a 15% cut for eShop releases (Steam/iOS/XBL/PSN are all around 30% comparatively).
My guess is they probably gave a royalty cut for ZombiU and Legends in exchange for a 6-12 month exclusivity window or something. Legends itself started as an Origins port though I believe, and that game sold best on Wii originally, so it's not hard to see Ubi throwing Nintendo a bone with this one anyway.
HD consoles have been around for almost 7 years, that's hardly a selling feature.
KillerTravis
Banned
Lol, how can people call the GamePad a tablet when it's completely dependant on the console? It's not a replacement for a tablet people, it's a controller with a touchscreen with lots of interesting implementations.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I highly doubt people are going to be running out and saying, "It's a new tablet!" (although marc seems to be doing so, which is ludicrous).
I think the more realistic reaction would be, "Finally we have touchscreen functionality on a console, just like the DS and iPad."
I think the more realistic reaction would be, "Finally we have touchscreen functionality on a console, just like the DS and iPad."
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
They will eventually upgrade to something. The ability to play both experiences (Wii and WiiU), the Gamerpad, new Just Dance, NintendoLand, Sing, new 2D Mario, and new WiiU Fit will be a pretty big incentive to upgrade for casuals, and it will continue to grow with Mario Kart U, WiiU Sports, etc.
The main problem though here is that, unlike the Wii, there is much more competition fighting for the casual gaming market, so they might instead choose to upgrade to something else.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
There is a limited amount of people interested in gaming. I'd bet most people that have a ps360 have owned a wii at some point
I think apple products like the iphone 4s or 5,the new ipad or ipad mini if that is released this fall would fit that situation more though nintendo 'loyalists' are gonna buy the wii-u at launch anyways
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