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Finalizer · Feb 1, 2014

Massa said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they cancelled the 360/PS3 version as well.

They've no reason to cancel versions that will account for a significant chunk of sales. Not to mention they've probably done plenty of work to get the PS360 versions up and running as it is, no reason to leave a ton of potential money on the table for... Something.

If it ended up being delayed to, say, late 2015 or beyond (lol) then there might be merit to this. Otherwise, lolno.

Log4Girlz · Feb 1, 2014

Dicer said:
It's been covered, Ubi said no comment, is one more person asking gonna actually make them decide to comment...Nope.

The only reason most people want to know is so that they can add more fuel to the "Nintendo is done" fire that everyone is dancing around.

If Ubi says "yes" the we will get "I don't see the point no one will buy it anyway"
and if it's canned , well we know how that will go.

I think "news" organizations should make a pact that once a person or organization is asked a question that no one should ever ask them that question again, try to clarify, or use any influence their reputation may afford them to get an answer.

Omzz · Feb 1, 2014

wii u....my nintendo only machine

hongcha · Feb 1, 2014

Pennywise said:
Emily Rogers ‏@Emi1yRogers 2m

@jmizzal I asked if the Wii U version still exists. Instead of a simple yes or no, they said they have no comment.

Game Over.

Kobun Heat · Feb 1, 2014

border said:
Thye should offer to waive software royalties, or offer to pay for marketing, or offer to pay publishing/distribution costs.

Of course they'll do that!

Oh wait, the game's not made by Tecmo Koei? Sry

CambriaRising · Feb 1, 2014

Dicer said:
It's been covered, Ubi said no comment, is one more person asking gonna actually make them decide to comment...Nope.

The only reason most people want to know is so that they can add more fuel to the "Nintendo is done" fire that everyone is dancing around.

If Ubi says "yes" the we will get "I don't see the point no one will buy it anyway"
and if it's canned , well we know how that will go.

Or some of us are holding out hope that Nintendo can nurture their third party relationships to bring some more value to the consoles we bought.

News like Arkham DLC being canceled, and this do not give many of us hope that they even give a shit anymore. So with all due respect, as someone who owns a Wii U, please do not try to dissuade people from asking the questions which are ultimately important to owners and future buyers just because you are sick of people talking bad about a console you like. If you want to blame anyone, blame the company who's name is on the box buddy.

John Harker · Feb 1, 2014

Pennywise said:
You already predicted that scenario :/

I do have am uncanny ability to 'Predict'

GribbleGrunger · Feb 1, 2014

It's been an extraordinary few weeks for Nintendo and the Wiiu. I was in the camp with those admitting the Wiiu was doing poorly but not in danger of completely dropping out of the race. Now I'm starting to believe the Wiiu is 'actually' going to be discontinued. The news just keeps getting worse and worse.

I'm also starting to wonder if Yoshida's kind words about Nintendo are strategic rather than heartfelt. PSNow would be a huge opportunity for Nintendo to make money from their existing franchises.

Petrae · Feb 1, 2014

Dicer said:
Dear Emily and the rest of the journalists/nosey fuckers...

Let Ubi do their job, and stop pestering them we will know when they feel like letting us know.

Signed,

Dicer

Well, there you go. Gaming journalists need to stop bothering the industry with their questions. I mean, why do we deserve to know whether or not a game is cancelled? Just wait until release day and see if it shows up. You'll find out when you find out.

In fact, journalism on the whole is one big annoying pain in the ass that needs to go away. If companies, politicians, and other prominent figured or entities have something important to share with the public, they'll do so. I mean... don't they always?

cafemomo · Feb 1, 2014

looks like the u in wiiu doesn't stand for ubisoft anymore

rayman and just dance is the only thing i can see ubi giving the wiiu from now on

Dicer · Feb 1, 2014

CambriaRising said:
Or some of us are holding out hope that Nintendo can nurture their third party relationships to bring some more value to the consoles we bought.

News like Arkham DLC being canceled, and this do not give many of us hope that they even give a shit anymore. So with all due respect, as someone who owns a Wii U, please do not try to dissuade people from asking the questions which are ultimately important to owners and future buyers just because you are sick of people talking bad about a console you like. If you want to blame anyone, blame the company who's name is on the box buddy.

Sadly, we are the minority...

I don't blame Nintendo for any problems but thier own, Ubi is making this game however...

Guevara · Feb 1, 2014

So what's the

short

list of announced 3rd-party games for the Wii U at this point?

r3ddvil · Feb 1, 2014

Gamestop by my house had placeholder cases for preordering the WiiU version, yesterday.

If most of the cost of porting is done, as is likely considering it is a delayed release already, I would be surprised if they cancelled it rather than try and recoup what they can.

However, the absence from Nintendos shareholder meeting "list of third party games" was not a good sign.

FourMyle · Feb 1, 2014

Dicer said:
Dear Emily and the rest of the journalists/nosey fuckers...

Let Ubi do their job, and stop pestering them we will know when they feel like letting us know.

Signed,

Dicer

lol, i see what you did there. hilarious parody of a corporate ballwasher

Willy Wanka · Feb 1, 2014

It's a shame if the Wii U version has been cancelled as I honestly thought that having the second screen would compliment the 'hacking' gameplay perfectly. The cancellation might not be confirmed but it seems pretty ominous at this point so PC version it is (providing the game isn't a steaming pile of horse shite after the delays).

Anth0ny · Feb 1, 2014

It's so obviously cancelled. Just come out with it already.

Pennywise · Feb 1, 2014

John Harker said:
I do have am uncanny ability to 'Predict'

Yeah, your remark kinda settled it for me.

I was kinda doubtful about it, unless they had to invest more money into the game,based on the delay, there wasn't a reason for them to cancel it,but that and the AC4 sales must have changed their opinion.

LTWood12 · Feb 1, 2014

jmizzal said:
If you announce a game and put it up for preorder and people preorder it and you keep it up there for months and months and then cancel it at the last min even after it was delayed that is BS. Now if they dont want to put anything else like that on WiiU then ok but it is wrong to just drop a game after jerking fans around

I would be shocked if there were more than a few thousand preorders. I own a Wii U and love it, but the people here blaming Ubisoft are downright delusional.

PhoenixDark · Feb 1, 2014

Massa said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they cancelled the 360/PS3 version as well.

Why? Huge install bases of gamers who still buy games. There's no way they turn down that revenue.

There's benefit to releasing a third party title on the WiiU, from a publisher's perspective, right now.

border · Feb 1, 2014

Kobun Heat said:
Of course they'll do that!

Oh wait, the game's not made by Tecmo Koei? Sry

You would obviously have way more insight than I do, but I have no idea why Nintendo seems content to sit on billions in savings and not be more aggressive about courting 3rd parties. As long as games are still being made for 360 and PS3, they could at least be getting ports of those titles.

Offer to waive royalties on the first 500K copies sold or something.....damn. They wouldn't make any money off of third party games, but at least it's better to have those games on the WiiU than see them outright cancelled. So many people make the crazy suggestion that they put their entire library on iOS, but nobody ever seems to make the much more measured and reasonable suggestion that they simply make their system more profitable for developers.

metalslimer · Feb 1, 2014

Besides how dumb they are being with not just announcing it, no one can blame them after how horrendous AC4 and SC Wii U sales were. Those were the test games and they failed miserably. And it makes sense, who in the world besides diehard Nintendo fans and people who can't live without the gamepad (obviously not many) want to buy a Wii U version of a 3rd party game at this point.

LTWood12 · Feb 1, 2014

Guevara said:
So what's the

short

list of announced 3rd-party games for the Wii U at this point?

The only AAA third Party releases listed on their shareholder report was The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and two Lego games.

metalslimer · Feb 1, 2014

LTWood12 said:
The only AAA third Party releases listed on their shareholder report was The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and two Lego games.

So we're basically at N64 level now.

cafemomo · Feb 1, 2014

Anth0ny said:
It's so obviously cancelled. Just come out with it already.

or they are probably keeping the super secret they are about to announce regarding the nintendo colab for the game

mario & luigi skins for the protag

Pennywise · Feb 1, 2014

metalslimer said:
Besides how dumb they are being with not just announcing it, no one can blame them after how horrendous AC4 and SC Wii U sales were. Those were the test games and they failed miserably.

Usually they don't comment on rumors, some company's do if the pressure keeps adding up, however the financial results will be there shortly which offer a more official way of delievering the message.

jmizzal · Feb 1, 2014

border said:
If Nintendo lets this game get cancelled or go digital-only, I will be completely floored and aghast. I think it's pretty clear right now everyone at Nintendo knows that they are up against the ropes. They should be fighting tooth and nail to keep every game in development. Thye should offer to waive software royalties, or offer to pay for marketing, or offer to pay publishing/distribution costs.

If they lose Watch_Dogs I think it will be sufficient evidence that Nintendo just doesn't give a fuck anymore.

yup even Iwata just spoke about their big war chest of money and last month about having not done well in the western market.

I doubt it would cost them that much money to pony up and help UBisoft get the game out on WiiU, heck they help with ZombiU I know that was exclusive but still.

GamerJM · Feb 1, 2014

metalslimer said:
So we're basically at N64 level now.

Honestly, as much as it pains me to say it, we're below N64 level. Like, by a significant amount too. N64 had droughts but it had support. Wii U is completely barren outside of a handful of titles that are getting released on literally every other active platform, unless you want to count stuff like Bayonetta 2 that Nintendo helps fund.

Guevara · Feb 1, 2014

LTWood12 said:
The only AAA third Party releases listed on their shareholder report was The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and two Lego games.

Thanks, somehow this is actually sadder than I thought.

udivision · Feb 1, 2014

Anth0ny said:
It's so obviously cancelled. Just come out with it already.

Maybe Nintendo can foot the bill somehow. They can "publish" it on their platform or something.

hamchan · Feb 1, 2014

Dicer said:
Sadly, we are the minority...

I don't blame Nintendo for any problems but thier own, Ubi is making this game however...

If the game can't come out on the Wii U because there's no opportunity for Ubisoft to make profit then that's entirely Nintendo's fault.

Kobun Heat · Feb 1, 2014

border said:
You would obviously have way more insight than I do, but I have no idea why Nintendo seems content to sit on billions in savings and not be more aggressive about courting 3rd parties. As long as games are still being made for 360 and PS3, they could at least be getting ports of those titles.

I mean, I think that's what you saw at the launch of Wii U, but eventually it just isn't cost effective anymore. Nintendo might pay up for *exclusives*, but once you're paying just to have parity with everybody else that's just a bad place to be.

Also, all parties involved might at this point just realize that it's going to sell so few copies anyway that it's not worth it and they should probably pursue different opportunities.

Phire Phox · Feb 1, 2014

Wonder how Nintendo's going to keep the Wii U afloat for the next 4-5 years. Will Mario, Smash, and Zelda be enough?

CambriaRising · Feb 1, 2014

Dicer said:
Sadly, we are the minority...

I don't blame Nintendo for any problems but thier own, Ubi is making this game however...

They could be doing more to sustain this relationship. Sony and MS pay for marketing, exclusive DLC, and other things just to maintain a good relationship with their third parties. So far there is zero evidence to suggest that Nintendo tried to make any of these offers to third party publishers.

Publishers don't have to publish games on Wii U to be successful. They don't need Nintendo but like it or not, Nintendo needs them. I don't blame Ubisoft at all for wanting to cancel the project on Wii U.

Jomjom · Feb 1, 2014

GamerJM said:
I recall one time they refused to pay me back in cash. I might have used credit though, I can't recall.

If you paid with cash and they refuse to refund in kind thats because the employee is trying to prevent having a refund/return on his record and also hes trying to pad his preorder numbers by making you move the credit elsewhere. Insist on the refund in kind (whether cash on credit back to CC) or you will talk to his manager or call the GS customer service. Guarantee he will give it to you immediately and apologize.

superchunk · Feb 1, 2014

Bah probably just be a shit AC clone anyways

Card Boy · Feb 1, 2014

Phire Phox said:
Wonder how Nintendo's going to keep the Wii U afloat for the next 4-5 years. Will Mario, Smash, and Zelda be enough?

They will be short sales bursts nothing long term. I honestly think they will announce a new console in 2-3 years. They can't keep riding this trainwreck.

NateDrake · Feb 1, 2014

Phire Phox said:
Wonder how Nintendo's going to keep the Wii U afloat for the next 4-5 years.

They won't. Wii U won't be around for 4-5 more years. We may get 2-3 yrs tops out of it before a new system is released.

bigboss370 · Feb 1, 2014

Dicer said:
Dear Emily and the rest of the journalists/nosey fuckers...

Let Ubi do their job, and stop pestering them we will know when they feel like letting us know.

Signed,

Dicer

John Harker · Feb 1, 2014

CambriaRising said:
They could be doing more to sustain this relationship. Sony and MS pay for marketing, exclusive DLC, and other things just to maintain a good relationship with their third parties. So far there is zero evidence to suggest that Nintendo tried to make any of these offers to third party publishers.

Publishers don't have to publish games on Wii U to be successful. They don't need Nintendo but like it or not, Nintendo needs them. I don't blame Ubisoft at all for wanting to cancel the project on Wii U.

There's not zero evidence. If they want the content theyll make a deal for it.

CambriaRising · Feb 1, 2014

John Harker said:
There's not zero evidence. If they want the content theyll make a deal for it.

You pretty much just repeated what I said with different wording.

Dash Kappei · Feb 1, 2014

SquiddyCracker said:
Quietly cancelled.
I'm not at all surprised, the Wii U is a Virtual Boy-level failure.

Your math is an OUYA level failure.
WiiU has already shipped 8X the Virtual Boy.

John Harker · Feb 1, 2014

CambriaRising said:
You pretty much just repeated what I said with different wording.

Infer what you will Haha

iMerc · Feb 1, 2014

CambriaRising said:
Or some of us are holding out hope that Nintendo can nurture their third party relationships to bring some more value to the consoles we bought.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the company who's name is on the box buddy.

lol. no, by & large the people who are making threads about topics relating to this are MOST DEFINITELY the 'dancing around the doom fire' camp.

you are right about one thing. this is nintendo's fault & they are to blame. absolutely. but how many bloody threads do you need.

B.O.O.M · Feb 1, 2014

I'm guessing this might be a pay up if you want the port moment between ubi and ninty

Persona7 · Feb 1, 2014

r3ddvil said:
Gamestop by my house had placeholder cases for preordering the WiiU version, yesterday.

If most of the cost of porting is done, as is likely considering it is a delayed release already, I would be surprised if they cancelled it rather than try and recoup what they can.

However, the absence from Nintendos shareholder meeting "list of third party games" was not a good sign.

It might cost more to finish, manufacture and ship than what they expect it to bring in.

MercuryLS · Feb 1, 2014

Dash Kappei said:
Your math is an OUYA level failure.
WiiU has already shipped 8X the Virtual Boy.

The difference is that the VB was a side project and the Wii U is a major console for them. In relative terms, I'd say the level of failure for both platforms is close.

Oddduck · Feb 1, 2014

The Wii U version of Watch_Dogs is still up for preorder on Ubisoft's site. Why would Ubisoft not comment on whether the Wii U version still exists if it wasn't cancelled? What do they gain from all of this secrecy? Again, the Wii U version is up for preorder on their site.

mrpeabody · Feb 1, 2014

border said:
If Nintendo lets this game get cancelled or go digital-only, I will be completely floored and aghast. I think it's pretty clear right now everyone at Nintendo knows that they are up against the ropes. They should be fighting tooth and nail to keep every game in development. Thye should offer to waive software royalties, or offer to pay for marketing, or offer to pay publishing/distribution costs.

If they lose Watch_Dogs I think it will be sufficient evidence that Nintendo just doesn't give a fuck anymore.

Nintendo gave up on third parties a long time ago, everybody knows that.

border · Feb 1, 2014

mrpeabody said:
Nintendo gave up on third parties a long time ago, everybody knows that.

They gave up on third parties when they were selling 20 billion Wiis every Christmas without any significant third party support. I'm (perhaps foolishly) hoping that the WiiU's dire situation will make them reconsider the importance of third party games.

CambriaRising · Feb 1, 2014

iMerc said:
lol. no, by & large the people who are making threads about topics relating to this are MOST DEFINITELY the 'dancing around the doom fire' camp.

you are right about one thing. this is nintendo's fault & they are to blame. absolutely. but how many bloody threads do you need.

Just don't click on the threads if you feel like there are too many. Meanwhile the rest of us are going to discuss whatever news may come whether it be good, bad, or otherwise.

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