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Could you market a food product as vegan if it used human byproducts.

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BladeoftheImmortal

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Argued with a dude the other day about whether you could market a product using human byproducts as vegan. He was specifically talking about marketing fried sperm on toast as a vegan product.

That's a rather out there example, but would that be possible, say, selling cookies made with human milk as a vegan substitute. Are we considered animals under this definition? I must know!
 
He was specifically talking about marketing fried sperm on toast as a vegan product.

talking about marketing fried sperm

fried sperm on toast

sperm on toast
 
But what if a vegan swallows his/her own saliva? Or that of a partner? What if the vegan gets a bloody nose and some gets in her mouth? I think that these are human byproducts that consuming them do not invalidate ones veganism.

Sperms or female ejaculate should also fall in this category and therefore should be considered a vegan product, or at least not at odds with the vegan lifestyle. I dated a vegan for a few years, she swallowed my cum. Was she or was she not a vegan?

Just my 2 cents.
 
Matt said:
First of all, I don't think linking to a site like that helps your case.

Secondly, that seems to be a list of kids hurt by having stupid parents, not by being feed a vegan diet.
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Every single one of those cases is backed by credible news outlets. I linked that page precisely because the sources are already collected for convenience. Nice try though.

Here's one of those sources. The New York Times.

Death by Veganism

WHEN Crown Shakur died of starvation, he was 6 weeks old and weighed 3.5 pounds. His vegan parents, who fed him mainly soy milk and apple juice, were convicted in Atlanta recently of murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty.

This particular calamity — at least the third such conviction of vegan parents in four years — may be largely due to ignorance. But it should prompt frank discussion about nutrition.

I was once a vegan. But well before I became pregnant, I concluded that a vegan pregnancy was irresponsible. You cannot create and nourish a robust baby merely on foods from plants.
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A vegan diet is equally dangerous for weaned babies and toddlers, who need plenty of protein and calcium. Too often, vegans turn to soy, which actually inhibits growth and reduces absorption of protein and minerals. That’s why health officials in Britain, Canada and other countries express caution about soy for babies. (Not here, though — perhaps because our farm policy is so soy-friendly.)

Historically, diet honored tradition: we ate the foods that our mothers, and their mothers, ate. Now, your neighbor or sibling may be a meat-eater or vegetarian, may ferment his foods or eat them raw. This fragmentation of the American menu reflects admirable diversity and tolerance, but food is more important than fashion. Though it’s not politically correct to say so, all diets are not created equal.

An adult who was well-nourished in utero and in infancy may choose to get by on a vegan diet, but babies are built from protein, calcium, cholesterol and fish oil. Children fed only plants will not get the precious things they need to live and grow.
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I suspect you probably regret not letting my initial edit stand.
 
Cerium said:
Every single one of those cases is backed by credible news outlets. I linked that page precisely because the sources are already collected for convenience. Nice try though.

Here's one of those sources. The New York Times.

Death by Veganism
I suspect you probably regret not letting my initial edit stand.
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Nice try...how? I'm not a vegan. I have no agenda. I just thought your comment was stupid. And I still think it is, even with you being so condescending.
 
Matt said:
Nice try...how? I'm not a vegan. I have no agenda. I just thought your comment was stupid. And I still think it is, even with you being so condesending.
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My comment that vegan refusal to breastfeed has been known to lead to infant death by malnutrition, which I have just shown to be empirical fact?
 
Cerium said:
My comment that vegan refusal to breastfeed has been known to lead to infant death by malnutrition, which I have just shown to be empirical fact?
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...the first article in that link you posted says that the baby was hurt by the mother only breastfeeding.

Lots of mothers don't breastfeed, without ill effects on children.
 
Cerium said:
Vegans refuse to breastfeed their children. Boom. Done. Answered.
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That seems rather idiotic. I can kinda see not drinking cow milk since the cows are forced into it. But a human can freely choose to use their breasts for their designed intent.
 
Cerium said:
Followed by five cases where it was soymilk or fruit juice.


Yes, and they tend to provide animal products.


Apparently there's no universal consensus but it's definitely a thing.
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Draw a wide enough net and you'll find a handful of stupid parents no matter what the cost choice.

That said, I have never heard of vegans not breastfeeding.
 
Matt said:
OK, so again, five cases of stupid parents hurting their kids. If they had been smarter this wouldn't have happened, vegan or not.
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I never said that all vegan parents starve their children, I noted that it has been known to happen. The reason I edited it out is because I had a feeling it might lead to a derail very much like this one, but alas here we are.
 
Cerium said:
I never said that all vegan parents starve their children, I noted that it has been known to happen. The reason I edited it out is because I had a feeling it might lead to a derail very much like this one, but alas here we are.
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Alright, so lets just stop it now.
 
BladeoftheImmortal said:
Let's get back to the question at hand, people. Sperm on toast, marketable as vegan, yay or nay?
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Depends on how die-hard the vegan is. There are some vegans who won't use certain sugars, because during the refinement process the sugar may be filtered through bone char. For them, no animal products may even be used in the process of getting a thing into their home. Sperm's a no-go for them.

For vegans who are more against animal suffering than anything, they could be convinced to be pro-sperm. A human is fully capable of consenting to sperm or breast milk collection, which separates them from any other animal. That consent should be the selling point.
 
Humans are animals that are capable of giving consent. There is nothing inconsistent about veganism and breastfeeding. My nephew ate a vegan diet during his first year and was very healthy.
 
Industrialization of semen cuisine could turn vegans away though, if it ends up being a lucrative business in 20 years where desperate men jerk themselves off daily only to sell the sperm to Jizztella factories by the gallon, that could count as animal cruelty.

The real question: Is eating eggplants covered by sexual fluids vegan?
 
I would imagine that the moral argument revolves around consent. A cow does not consent to be basically enslaved, to have its calf taken away and be hooked up to some machine that pumps away at its udder until blood comes out. A human adult may choose to donate his or her bodily substances for whatever reason.
 
Vegans definitely breastfeed, probably on a similar ratio to Omnivores. Breastfeeding doesn't even feed in to the Vegan argument, it's a non issue.

As is swallowing cum etc. It's as much of a thing as it is for Omnivores. The point is BS.
 
bryehn said:
What? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Breastfeeding has been proven time and time again to be the best for kids.
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That's because it isn't true.

I think it's more of an issue with consent and personal health rather than whether it came from an animal or not.
 
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