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Miles Quaritch · Mar 13, 2016

UPDATE - 15/03

Foffy said:
Seems like they have no plans on adding offline support, despite that being the biggest thing being thrown at the game in its current state...

Lequu ‏@Lequu324 1h1 hour ago
@Hitman Any word when/if youre going to remove online only system (apart from leaderboards, thats understandable)? Also optimizations on pc?

HITMAN ‏@Hitman 1h1 hour ago
@Lequu324 We don't have any plans to, we're working to get the servers up and running for everyone.

Kinda wishing I can get my $60 back now...can't believe they're letting bullshit ruin a genuinely good game. The PC userbase bailed on the game already, peaking at >13,000 users on Steam over the weekend, probably because of the "Early Access" miasma and now this. How are they ever going to recoup the cost if people may just stop at the start?

Yup, do not buy this game if you haven't already.

The server issues are bad enough, but the decision to include what's essentially DRM for single player is a practice that simply can't be supported and the developers need to taken to task for this monumentally idiotic decision.

Some details.

The single player is basically split into online and offline. If you're playing onffline, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO UNLOCK WEAPONS, ENTRY POINTS OR UPGRADES. The game has separate saves for online and offline and worst all...if you're playing online and you lose connection due to server issues, YOU WILL BE KICKED BACK TO THE MAIN MENU. You have no choice in this, you will be booted back to the menu...

Example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obyqZ_XAxe8

What hell were they thinking with this bullshit...

Don't support shitty practices.

Transistor · Mar 13, 2016

Don't tell me what to do!

I was gonna hold off a while anyways

QaaQer · Mar 13, 2016

Only way to keep leaderboards hack free I guess. What is available online and not off, aside from leaderboards? Can you choose to playoffline for all the missions?

pitchfork · Mar 13, 2016

Cheers for the heads up!

I was considering picking it up later, and had no idea about any of this..

TheChewyWaffles · Mar 13, 2016

Haven't played it yet but at least I got it at a discount. Sucks to hear about this.

Oynox · Mar 13, 2016

Thanks for the headsup, now I will definitely wait.

Taruranto · Mar 13, 2016

I still have no idea what's going on with this game release model anyway.

CecilRousso · Mar 13, 2016

I'm not that familiar with the Hitman series, but are leaderboards an important part of these games?

Stike · Mar 13, 2016

Well, the actual full game will come out on disk in January 2017, might as well wait for this then...

Gamezone · Mar 13, 2016

As long as I can enjoy the store mode offline I'm fine. As far as I know, you can. Still hate online functions that might impact my single player though.

Footos22 · Mar 13, 2016

Same as black ops then. No big deal

stuminus3 · Mar 13, 2016

This has been standard for years. Diablo 2 works like this. Slow down, sir, you're going to give yourself skin failure!

Turin Turambar · Mar 13, 2016

CecilRousso said:
I'm not that familiar with the Hitman series, but are leaderboards an important part of these games?

No.

BibiMaghoo · Mar 13, 2016

The situation is not great, but the game is excellent, so I do not agree. They need to fix it for the challenges to be offline.

Deleted member 47027 · Mar 13, 2016

It's a fantastic game. Fixes every misstep they took with Absolution, and keeps the good innovations. I'm loving this game. They also clearly tell you about the differences when you play offline and online. But you can still play offline just fine. The online integration is so cool though, there's so much that they're doing with their live team.

Man, the game is GREAT. Highly recommended even if you'll always play offline.

CecilRousso said:
I'm not that familiar with the Hitman series, but are leaderboards an important part of these games?

In this one and Absolution to a lesser extent, absolutely. Online contracts mode is incredibly awesome and a big piece of the game.

funkystudent · Mar 13, 2016

Couldn't agree more.

Never played Hitman but I liked the beta so I thought I would give the $15 intro pack a go.

Shitty Always Online stuff.
A lack of content and variety even for 15 bucks
Features missing from early demos (suitcases / sneaking weapons passed security)

I have zero intention of buying more unless they have a big change of direction.

MayMay · Mar 13, 2016

It's such a shame that an otherwise amazing game gets dragged down by this sort of stuff.

funkystudent said:
A lack of content overall.

Uhm... what did you expect exactly when you bought the "Intro pack" for cheap?

Bedameister · Mar 13, 2016

yeah that sound stupid. This whole episode model does really not fit to a Hitman game. They should have treated it like a normal game. From what I've heard it could have been an amazing Hitman game then.
This will certainly piss some people off. Square Enix is making so many stupid decisions lately it's a shame.

KainXVIII · Mar 13, 2016

Don't care about online DRM, but still don't buy it until complete version released, paid demos must die.

CecilRousso · Mar 13, 2016

Vince McMahon said:
The online integration is so cool though, there's so much that they're doing with their live team..

What does the online intergration really do then? Leaderboards and.....?

RPGam3r · Mar 13, 2016

Huh at first I wanted to rebel and say I'll buy what I want! But that actually sounds terrible.

Saved me some money so thank you, sounds similar to the same shitty thing some people are experiencing with SFV.

Kezen · Mar 13, 2016

This thread convinced me to buy it.

Übermatik · Mar 13, 2016

Kezen said:
This thread convinced me to buy it.

:|

QaaQer · Mar 13, 2016

KainXVIII said:
Don't care about online DRM, but still don't buy it until complete version released, paid demos must die.

You can buy a self contained single chapter for $15. It isn't a demo. The devs/publishers aren't out to rip people off.

Yautja_Warrior · Mar 13, 2016

Waiting for the complete version on disc and would probably play offline anyway, so no big deal.

Liamc723 · Mar 13, 2016

KainXVIII said:
Don't care about online DRM, but still don't buy it until complete version released, paid demos must die.

You think this is a paid demo? Lol, now that's a stretch and a half.

MayMay · Mar 13, 2016

KainXVIII said:
Don't care about online DRM, but still don't buy it until complete version released, paid demos must die.

MGSV:Ground Zeroes was a paid demo, this is not. Or are all episodic games "paid demos" now?

texhnolyze · Mar 13, 2016

Good thing that I never purchase episodic games on episode 1.

chugen · Mar 13, 2016

thanks, will wait

QuicheFontaine · Mar 13, 2016

Stike said:
Well, the actual full game will come out on disk in January 2017, might as well wait for this then...

Yeah, I'm not dogmatically "disk-only", but I will wait for this in this instance.

muleyman13 · Mar 13, 2016

Damn thanks for the heads up OP, Definitely not going to support that mess.

Xater · Mar 13, 2016

Don't worry as soon as I heard about these issues and the PS4 load times I decided to not get it. I'll wait until the whole thing is out and how it works then.

johancruijff · Mar 13, 2016

Kezen said:
This thread convinced me to buy it.

Lol me too

Thanks OP!

sflufan · Mar 13, 2016

Kezen said:
This thread convinced me to buy it.

I'm enjoying it so much that this thread will make me a buy a few copies for friends.

ViewtifulJC · Mar 13, 2016

Bought it to spite OP

thanks Miles Quaritch

sn00zer · Mar 13, 2016

Game is fucking amazing, so Im gunna disagree. This sort of thing should not be a deal breaker for everyone right of the bat.

phanboy4 · Mar 13, 2016

Bedameister said:
yeah that sound stupid. This whole episode model does really not fit to a Hitman game. They should have treated it like a normal game. From what I've heard it could have been an amazing Hitman game then.
This will certainly piss some people off. Square Enix is making so many stupid decisions lately it's a shame.

I actually think the episodic format is ideal for Hitman.

All of the games have always pretty much been large, self-contained missions taking place in different locations and at different times, linked together tenuously by small cutscenes. Literally the perfect format for chunking up into episodes.

FrontalMonk · Mar 13, 2016

BibiMaghoo said:
The situation is not great, but the game is excellent, so I do not agree. They need to fix it for the challenges to be offline.

Pretty much. Honestly, I think they just need to iron out their server issues like pretty much any game with an online component right at launch.

Xaero Gravity · Mar 13, 2016

I absolutely love the core gameplay but I hate that I have to agree with Miles. I had to beat it offline since it wouldn't let me stay connected and kept booting me to the main menu. Promptly deleted it off my PS4 and won't be touching any of the future episodes unless this online only bullshit is removed.

Ludens · Mar 13, 2016

I would add PS4 version has six exclusive contracts, it's not clear if this is a timed exclusive or whatever, but still is bad enough (at least for me) to wait for a 75% off or more.
I simply hate exclusive contents related to a platform.

Klyka · Mar 13, 2016

Wait, so....why play online?

What advantages does that give?

UrbanRats · Mar 13, 2016

Miles Quaritch said:
if you're playing online and you lose connection due to server issues, YOU WILL BE KICKED BACK TO THE MAIN MENU. You have no choice in this, you will be booted back to the menu...

Isn't this what happens with Souls games? Anyway, sounds like a whole lot of bollocks, thanks for the heads up, OP.

BibiMaghoo · Mar 13, 2016

Ludens said:
I would add PS4 version has six exclusive contracts, it's not clear if this is a timed exclusive or whatever, but still is bad enough (at least for me) to wait for a 75% off or more.

They are just targets in existing levels, no different from a random 'contract' mode within that level. Nothing new is really added. Honestly, you are not missing out on anything.

Ryuuga · Mar 13, 2016

The server-side contract is your gameplay experience.

jesu · Mar 13, 2016

tbh if I liked Hitman games this wouldn't stop me buying it.

Get_craycray · Mar 13, 2016

Was gonna wait for the disc version. Now I'm sure I'm gonna wait, but not sure anymore to even buy it.

Sn4ke_911 · Mar 13, 2016

bought.

Thanks OP.

Axial · Mar 13, 2016

I'm a big HITMAN fan, the whole episodic content release structure was allready a turn off and I decided to wait with a purchase until they ship a full release during the end of 2016.
But now this? Seperate singleplayer progression for online and offline play? Fuck that.

FrontalMonk · Mar 13, 2016

Klyka said:
Wait, so....why play online?

What advantages does that give?

Contracts, Challenges, Leaderboards are all online. Contracts is a pretty large part of the game, and Challenges are important as completing them helps you unlock new weapons, insertion points, and agency pickup sites.

Klyka · Mar 13, 2016

FrontalMonk said:
Contracts, Challenges, Leaderboards are all online. Contracts is a pretty large part of the game, and Challenges are important as completing them helps you unlock new weapons, insertion points, and agency pickup sites.

Ah I see. That sucks then.

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