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Jonneh3003 · Apr 20, 2016

So I decided to give PAC-MAN a purchase on PSN only to find it accumulates to a little under a gigabyte. Nintendo's virtual console games also come to a considerable amount with Super Mario 64 on Wii U measuring in at 54mb compared to the N64 originals 6mb. Whats with the huge jump in memory? I understand PAC-MAN on PS4 has a few overlays and extras but hardly enough to justify its size.

On the flip side games like Super Mario 3D World only clock in at 1.7GB which is outstanding for a game of its visual polish and variation, so why is PAC-MAN only half the size of it?

Hero Prinny · Apr 20, 2016

dem hd textures breh.

#sorrynotsorry · Apr 20, 2016

Those HD assets.

MostlyLurking · Apr 20, 2016

Trophies (or whatever PS4 has)

BibiMaghoo · Apr 20, 2016

Isn't Tetris large as well?

e: 415Mb

Shift Breaker · Apr 20, 2016

Chances are the save file for the game on the PS4 is larger than the original game itself.

RedToad64 · Apr 20, 2016

MostlyLurking said:
Trophies (or whatever PS4 has)

Do Trophies on PS4 show a large image like Xbox One's achievements?

half a moon · Apr 20, 2016

How much space does the full package with dig dug and such cost?

Dr. Zoidberg · Apr 20, 2016

In the case of Virtual Console games they have to bundle both the emulator, and the PDF style online manual with it as well. I'm not sure how high-res it is, but I'm sure that takes up space.

In Pac-Man PS4's case, that could explain some of it, but it does seem excessive. Maybe you have to include certain libraries and such with it too and they are huge, or perhaps there are some video files for credits or bonus features or something.

Enter the Dragon Punch · Apr 20, 2016

not compressing anything probably

rjc571 · Apr 20, 2016

That's where the developers hide (a small fraction of) their porn

Storm360 · Apr 20, 2016

RedToad64 said:
Do Trophies on PS4 show a large image like Xbox One's achievements?

Nope, it's a 64x64png like last gen

Battlechili · Apr 20, 2016

I would've figured its because you're downloading an emulator and the game. Or maybe you're downloading the complete emulator and all its games but its only granting you the license to play one of them? Those are my guesses.

Vashetti · Apr 20, 2016

Hi-res textures
Lossless audio

MCN · Apr 20, 2016

Enter the Dragon Punch said:
not compressing anything probably

It's Pac-man. What the fuck is there to compress? It's a game from when 16kb was considered excessive RAM, and compression wasn't a thing!

Interfectum · Apr 20, 2016

Uncompressed audio maybe? I dunno...

Kor of Memory · Apr 20, 2016

Not sure about PSN, but for the Wii/WII U, I would think controller support would be an issue.

Some games need to be able to work with

Wiimote
Wiimote+Nunchuk
Classic Controller
Classic Controller Pro
Gamecube Controller

Also, as others have said. We're not just downloading the ROM, we're downloading the Emulator that goes with it specifically.

DeepEnigma · Apr 20, 2016

Thanks for the heads up on this. I was going to pick up all 4 of the Namco releases when I got home. I wonder if they have it set up like the Museum, where they all combine into one file? If not... 800MB+ for each Arcade Classic is pretty excessive for them OG graphics.

DidntKnowJack · Apr 20, 2016

Probably downloading the wrapper for emulation as well. That's all I can figure...

TEH-CJ · Apr 20, 2016

Wait..pac man is on ps4??

Is the championship edition that was on ps3?

muzzymate · Apr 20, 2016

TEH-CJ said:
Wait..pac man is on ps4??

Is the championship edition that was on ps3?

Nope, just plain ol' Pacman and Ms. Pacman

Joey Ravn · Apr 20, 2016

Multi-language audio tracks, uncompressed UHD videos, developer commentary, lossless FLAC OST and a plethora of dynamic themes for your PS4.

Daffy Duck · Apr 20, 2016

TEH-CJ said:
Wait..pac man is on ps4??

Is the championship edition that was on ps3?

Just about to post the exact same thing.

Is this classic pac man??? Looks like it from the screenshot.

chronic_archaic · Apr 20, 2016

Kor of Memory said:
Not sure about PSN, but for the Wii/WII U, I would think controller support would be an issue.

Some games need to be able to work with

Wiimote
Wiimote+Nunchuk
Classic Controller
Classic Controller Pro
Gamecube Controller

Also, as others have said. We're not just downloading the ROM, we're downloading the Emulator that goes with it specifically.

That didn't stop NES games on the Wii being a few megabytes - Super Mario 64 was roughly 12MB on the Wii - 4MB more than the rom itself. I don't know where the Wii U version got an extra 50MB. Let alone Pac Man on Xbox 360 being something like 20MB which included a GUI for the options, credits, leaderboards and now the PS4 version is 800MB bigger because?

i3allistic · Apr 20, 2016

trophies

skynidas · Apr 20, 2016

DeepEnigma said:
Thanks for the heads up on this. I was going to pick up all 4 of the Namco releases when I got home. I wonder if they have it set up like the Museum, where they all combine into one file? If not... 800MB+ for each Arcade Classic is pretty excessive for them OG graphics.

they are different files.

Pac-Man is 838.1 MB.
Galaga is 828.2 MB.
Dig Dug is 828.2 MB.
Ms Pac-Man is 834.8 MB.

i3allistic said:
trophies

It's not trophies. There are games with trophies that are sub 100MB

singhr1 · Apr 20, 2016

RedToad64 said:
Do Trophies on PS4 show a large image like Xbox One's achievements?

Those aren't saved locally on Xbox anyway. You're not downloading achievement art when you unlock it.

Lord Error · Apr 20, 2016

TEH-CJ said:
Wait..pac man is on ps4??

Is the championship edition that was on ps3?

Pacman, Galaga, MS Pacman and DigDug just came out today on PS4.

cyberheater · Apr 20, 2016

How big is the arcade rom?

DeepEnigma · Apr 20, 2016

TEH-CJ said:
Wait..pac man is on ps4??

Is the championship edition that was on ps3?

No, original arcade. Love that CEDX version on the PS3.

Only thing as to why it is large I can see is this...

This latest port comes with scanline and sound settings, and the option to play with the Round 256 bug - perfect for PAC-MANiacs!
Experience the masterpiece that charmed the planet!

Wonder if they were .iso rips with the added wrapper?

adamantypants · Apr 20, 2016

Instead of rendering Pacman eating the white dots, they've pre-rendered every single possible permutation of the game board in play. So 835 mb is actually pretty small.

I have no idea

androvsky · Apr 20, 2016

DidntKnowJack said:
Probably downloading the wrapper for emulation as well. That's all I can figure...

It's definitely including the emulator, but 800 MB sounds really big for even a complete MAME compile.

skynidas · Apr 20, 2016

BTW, this is on the Credits section of each game, so apparently they are made on Unity? Maybe that's why makes them a large file? This shit is weird.

TAJ · Apr 20, 2016

cyberheater said:
How big is the arcade rom?

16KB.

dracula_x · Apr 20, 2016

Daffy Duck said:
Just about to post the exact same thing.

Is this classic pac man??? Looks like it from the screenshot.

It's classic Pac-Man (from 80s)

DeepEnigma · Apr 20, 2016

skynidas said:
BTW, this is on the Credits section of each game, so apparently they are made on Unity? Maybe that's why makes them a large file? This shit is weird.

There it is. That is why. Thanks for the heads up.

Skel1ingt0n · Apr 20, 2016

You're treading a fine line here, OP...

L.O.R.D · Apr 20, 2016

Some updates on Vita are larger then the PS4 version.

oldmario · Apr 20, 2016

i'm guessing like the space invaders collection on PS2 years ago it'll have a 3D arcade model maybe that's what takes up all the space

also op once you download it could you tell me if you can turn off the graphics that fill the space so you can have a black area where the game doesn't fit?

Lord Error · Apr 20, 2016

skynidas said:
BTW, this is on the Credits section of each game, so apparently they are made on Unity? Maybe that's why makes them a large file? This shit is weird.

OOOOOKKKKK. Good thing you brought this up before I clicked purchase button, lol

So these are not even emulated but re-made or something? In unity? Yeah, I'll wait until someone else buys this first.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but are they rock solid 60FPS? No frame drops... ? Do they even feel like the originals?

MCN · Apr 20, 2016

Skel1ingt0n said:
You're treading a fine line here, OP...

*reads post*

*reads your custom title*

*giggles*

TEH-CJ · Apr 20, 2016

DeepEnigma said:
No, original arcade. Love that CEDX version on the PS3.

Only thing as to why it is large I can see is this...

Wonder if they were .iso rips with the added wrapper?

Oh damn

Daffy Duck · Apr 20, 2016

dracula_x said:
It's classic Pac-Man (from 80s)

Oh god, I need to buy this.

Lord Error said:
OOOOOKKKKK. Good thing you brought this up before I clicked purchase button, lol

So these are not even emulated but re-made or something? In unity? Yeah, I'll wait until someone else buys this first.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but are they rock solid 60FPS? No frame drops... ? Do they even feel like the originals?

Welp, noooooooo.

protomouse · Apr 20, 2016

The VC releases are understandable. 8 MB ROM + 15 MB emulator + 30 MB manuals and assets.

This is... yikes.

Space Runaway · Apr 20, 2016

Guess it's packed with an incredibly oversized emulator like with the Xbone BC games (Which bloated Galaga XBLA's size from 1mb to 500mb)?

DeepEnigma · Apr 20, 2016

Lord Error said:
OOOOOKKKKK. Good thing you brought this up before I clicked purchase button, lol

So these are not even emulated but re-made or something? In unity? Yeah, I'll wait until someone else buys this first.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but are they rock solid 60FPS? No frame drops... ? Do they even feel like the originals?

I know they are $3.99, but Pac-Man is one of my all time faves. I want to jump on all 4 games released, but I also want to know if the performance is solid as well.

Lord Error · Apr 20, 2016

DeepEnigma said:
I know they are $3.99, but Pac-Man is one of my all time faves. I want to jump on all 4 games released, but I also want to know if the performance is solid as well.

You can buy pac-man+galaga+digdug for $8 also. I almost did.

Jonneh3003 · Apr 20, 2016

Daffy Duck said:
Just about to post the exact same thing.

Is this classic pac man??? Looks like it from the screenshot.

Classic PAC-MAN

DeepEnigma · Apr 20, 2016

Lord Error said:
You can buy pac-man+galaga+digdug for $8 also. I almost did.

They have a bundle? Poor Ms. Pac-Man not in the 'boys club'.

Edit: NAMCO BOY'S CLUB

Jonneh3003 · Apr 20, 2016

oldmario said:
i'm guessing like the space invaders collection on PS2 years ago it'll have a 3D arcade model maybe that's what takes up all the space

also op once you download it could you tell me if you can turn off the graphics that fill the space so you can have a black area where the game doesn't fit?

You get a choice of those two but there doesn't seem too be any option to just turn off the overlays.

Theres also a few gameplay settings but nothing crazy:

Lord Error said:
OOOOOKKKKK. Good thing you brought this up before I clicked purchase button, lol

So these are not even emulated but re-made or something? In unity? Yeah, I'll wait until someone else buys this first.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but are they rock solid 60FPS? No frame drops... ? Do they even feel like the originals?

Feels completely solid, I'm not a PAC-MAN expert but I can't notice a difference.

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