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Takasu Says PS3 Game Titles Must Sell 500,000 to make a profit
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soul creator
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AdmiralViscen
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Vieo said:
All we know is that DS games have to sell 300,000 units.
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Holy shit!
Zombie James
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That's a very simplistic answer, there are too many factors to take into consideration (length of development, number of employees, advertising costs). Plus, it's their choice if they want to spend that much money to begin with, there's always Live Arcade and PSN for more affordable budgets.
OokieSpookie
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Why does it say "to make high def games" and only say PS3?
Wouldnt it be for 360 OR PS3?
Wouldnt it be for 360 OR PS3?
C- Warrior
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500,000 isn't so bad for the japanese companies that create worldwide oriented games (such as Konami and Capcom). But I'd imagine the game companies in Japan that only focus on Japanese released titles would have troubles considering the market over there is staggering when it comes to traditional games.
Segata Sanshiro
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The break-even point is going to depend heavily on the budget for each game, so I don't really see how it's possible to attach a hard and fast "profit" number of copies sold.
A lot of this horror story stuff is based on the current situation and doesn't take into account the future.
Just like Sony took a huge loss last year due to R&D on the PS3, early next-gen games are going to take a bullet so that future games can be more rapidly developed. As programmers get their next-gen tools up and running and middleware/sdk's improve, and as content creation tools improve, all these costs come down. The first Resistance game took 2+ years to create. But i bet the next one is out in late 2007 or early 2008 simply by the fact that Insomniac already has their technology working.
I read an article today saying Sony needs to sell 30 games per unit to make back the loss on PS3 hardware. Again, that may be the case today, but the cost of assembly will come down every month from now to the end of the system's life.
Everyone just needs to COOOL OUT. Next-gen isn't going to implode.
Just like Sony took a huge loss last year due to R&D on the PS3, early next-gen games are going to take a bullet so that future games can be more rapidly developed. As programmers get their next-gen tools up and running and middleware/sdk's improve, and as content creation tools improve, all these costs come down. The first Resistance game took 2+ years to create. But i bet the next one is out in late 2007 or early 2008 simply by the fact that Insomniac already has their technology working.
I read an article today saying Sony needs to sell 30 games per unit to make back the loss on PS3 hardware. Again, that may be the case today, but the cost of assembly will come down every month from now to the end of the system's life.
Everyone just needs to COOOL OUT. Next-gen isn't going to implode.
NintendosBooger
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Kobun Heat
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That works out to about $17 per game sold. What about that sounds off?Proelite said:
LanceStern
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Ridge Racer 7 (PS3) 1st Week sales - 21,654
Gundam (PS3) 1st Week sales - 21,309
And now they are at th ebottom of the top 30
WHY am I trusting Takasu?
AdmiralViscen
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Log4Girlz said:
Dunno where you got this translation from, but it misses out the best part of the interview:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=90003017&sid=aTULG0hM6sgI&refer=jp_japan
Takasu admits that taking a game, like Ridge Racer 6, from one next-gen platform, and repurposing it (i.e. Ridge Racer 7) on another next-gen platform, is the future of the industry. So look out for Trusty Bell 2, Love Football 2 and Culdcept Saga 2 on PS3, while Ace Combat 7, Tekken 7, Taiko no Tatsujin 9, Tales of Sequelitis etc. will all end up on 360 eventually.
Edit: the "selling well" quote was true though. A lot of "WTF!"s on 2ch regarding that bit.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=90003017&sid=aTULG0hM6sgI&refer=jp_japan
Takasu admits that taking a game, like Ridge Racer 6, from one next-gen platform, and repurposing it (i.e. Ridge Racer 7) on another next-gen platform, is the future of the industry. So look out for Trusty Bell 2, Love Football 2 and Culdcept Saga 2 on PS3, while Ace Combat 7, Tekken 7, Taiko no Tatsujin 9, Tales of Sequelitis etc. will all end up on 360 eventually.
Edit: the "selling well" quote was true though. A lot of "WTF!"s on 2ch regarding that bit.
LanceStern
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So 30 million dollars they make if they sell 500,000 copies worldwide.
If it takes almost 9 million on graphics alone... how much is sound?
- Then how much is level design?
- Online/Wireless/Network programming?
- AI/Physics Engines? or
- Buying the license for another engine?
- Packaging?
- Shipping in one region alone?
- Advertising? (At least another 5 million if we're talking about worldwide)
- Localization?
- Production/Manufacturing?
- Shipping units worldwide and advertising them as well?
- Royalties and cuts that store brands get for selling the titles?
The whole thing reaks of oddness
If it takes almost 9 million on graphics alone... how much is sound?
- Then how much is level design?
- Online/Wireless/Network programming?
- AI/Physics Engines? or
- Buying the license for another engine?
- Packaging?
- Shipping in one region alone?
- Advertising? (At least another 5 million if we're talking about worldwide)
- Localization?
- Production/Manufacturing?
- Shipping units worldwide and advertising them as well?
- Royalties and cuts that store brands get for selling the titles?
The whole thing reaks of oddness
AdmiralViscen
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LanceStern said:
Yea, it should be more like 2 million units worldwide per game.
LanceStern
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I never said > 300k = Profit
fodl
Oh and Admiral, considering the crappy amount of time Namco puts in most of it's titles nowadays, I'd lower that to maybe 500k. Perhas he could be right.
Capcom... now THAT'S a company that demands >1.5 million sales. And even then they get disappointed.
fodl
Oh and Admiral, considering the crappy amount of time Namco puts in most of it's titles nowadays, I'd lower that to maybe 500k. Perhas he could be right.
Capcom... now THAT'S a company that demands >1.5 million sales. And even then they get disappointed.
soul creator
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castle007 said:
yeah, I'm guessing he had an errant CTRL+V for the URL :lol
I wish I had my class notes for the games production class I took. IIRC the estimates for last gen games were that it had to sell between 200k and 500k to become profitable depending upon budget. I could be remembering bad though, but 500k to be profitable doesn't sound wrong from my recollections of that class.
APerfectCircle
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yup so true!linsivvi said:
itd be nice for all the companies involved in getting the game to the store, and then selling it to consumers did it all for free, but it just aint so. people gotta get outa gamer fairy land.
fse
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LanceStern said:
Well, if Namco/Bandai had a direct relationship with each and every customer and sold all their games direct for $60, that might be true, but back in the real world there is wholesale and middlemen to deal with, and in Japan, especially, that's a hefty chunk off the top. Figure they're getting maybe 60% of retail on average. Is he exaggerating? Yeah, I think there's some of that in there. Every game will not have an 8.6 million dollar budget, especially the sequels of sequels and the shared engines. But, let's be fair. He's getting retail price for few if any of the units sold.