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D.C. and Maryland to sue President Trump, alleging breach of constitutional oath

KSweeley

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Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...-1115pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.f6e3f61e1e1e

I'm very happy my state AG of Maryland is doing this:

June 11, 2017

Attorneys general for the District of Columbia and the state of Maryland say they will sue President Trump on Monday, alleging that he has violated anticorruption clauses in the Constitution by accepting millions in payments and benefits from foreign governments since moving into the White House.

The lawsuit, the first of its kind brought by government entities, centers on the fact that Trump chose to retain ownership of his company when he became president. Trump said in January that he was shifting his business assets into a trust managed by his sons to eliminate potential conflicts of interests.

But D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D) and Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh (D) say Trump has broken many promises to keep separate his public duties and private business interests, including receiving regular updates about his company’s financial health.

If a federal judge allows the case to proceed, Racine and Frosh say, one of the first steps would be to demand through the discovery process copies of Trump’s personal tax returns to gauge the extent of his foreign business dealings. That fight would most likely end up before the Supreme Court, the two said, with Trump’s attorneys having to defend why the returns should remain private.

“This case is, at its core, about the right of Marylanders, residents of the District of Columbia and all Americans to have honest government,” Frosh said, referring to parts of the Constitution known as the “emoluments” clauses, which prohibit U.S. officials from taking gifts or other benefits from foreign governments. “The emoluments clauses command that . . . the president put the country first and not his own personal interest first.”

Racine said he felt obligated to file suit against Trump in part because the Republican-controlled Congress has not taken the president’s apparent conflicts seriously.

“We’re getting in here to be the check and balance that it appears Congress is unwilling to be,” he said. “We’re bringing suit because the president has not taken adequate steps to separate himself from his business interests
 

Syriel

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KSweeley

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Typically, any lawsuit that the Maryland AG wants to file, he need authorization from the Governor of Maryland who is Republican Larry Hogan or the legislature, this lawsuit is special because it's suing the federal government and the Maryland General Assembly in this year's session passed a joint resolution authorizing Frosh to sue the federal government without the need of the authorization of Governor Hogan or the legislature: http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&tab=subject3&id=sj0005&stab=01&ys=2017RS

"SJ0005 (JR0001)
2017 Regular Session

Entitled: Attorney General - Powers - Maryland Defense Act of 2017
Sponsored by: Senator Kasemeyer
Status: Signed by the President and the Speaker - Joint Resolution 1

Synopsis: Directing the Attorney General to take specified actions regarding civil and criminal suits and actions that are based on the federal government's action or inaction that threatens the public interest and welfare of the residents of the State; requiring the Attorney General, except under specified circumstances, to provide the Governor with specified notice and an opportunity to review and comment on specified suits and actions before commencing specified suits and actions; etc."

Link to WaPo article about this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...d33dee-f303-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html

Maryland’s General Assembly approved blanket authorization for state Attorney General Brian E. Frosh to sue the federal government, illustrating the eagerness of Democratic legislative leaders to challenge the Trump administration over undocumented immigrants, refugees, health care and other issues.

The proposal passed quickly through the legislature over the past two weeks on party-line votes that exposed an increasingly bitter partisan divide in Annapolis.

It will take effect without the signature of Gov. Larry Hogan (R), whose spokeswoman accused Democrats of engaging in “Washington-style party politics” and “philosophizing over what might or might not happen in Washington, D.C. — instead of focusing on Maryland.”

The joint resolution, which can’t be vetoed by the governor, is one in a series of Democratic measures in response to Trump administration policies, including a bill that would set aside $3 million in the state budget for Frosh to protect Marylanders from “harmful” federal efforts.

Under current law, the attorney general must seek a green light from the legislature or the governor to take action against the federal government. In most other states, attorneys general can take legal action to protect the public interest as they see fit, legislative analysts said.
 

Cagey

Banned
Good

but what is actually gonna come of this for people that know how this works
Likely dismissed. Highly doubtful states or private citizens have standing to bring this lawsuit; the clause is silent but intent would suggest the power to enforce the clause lies with Congress investigating and pursuing impeachment.

Even if it reaches SCOTUS, the initial decision will be about standing, not the merits, and they'll likely uphold lower court ruling dismissing the suit.
 

grandjedi6

Master of the Google Search
Likely dismissed. Highly doubtful states or private citizens have standing to bring this lawsuit; the clause is silent but intent would suggest the power to enforce the clause lies with Congress investigating and pursuing impeachment.

Even if it reaches SCOTUS, the initial decision will be about standing, not the merits, and they'll likely uphold lower court ruling dismissing the suit.
And even if the Court somehow does view the merits, it's hard to see what the Supreme Court is supposed to do. They don't have the authority to remove the President from office or take away his money/assets to eliminate the conflict of interest.

Of course this case is just an attempt to bring up the tax returns again so I'm guessing the AGs know this.
 
That's an amusingly clever way to get his tax returns.

Most concerning for the White House may be Mueller's investigative freedom. He could for example subpoena the President's tax returns, which Trump has refused to release publicly, and which his critics say could contain evidence of exposure to Russian debt or investments that could pose a conflict of interest or cloud his judgment.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/donald-trump-robert-mueller-democracy/index.html

It's a matter of time at this point. If the Dems take back the House in 18 they can also get his tax returns. I think New York can also get some of his tax returns somehow.
 
Hopefully other states jump on this as well. New York, California, Oregon, Washington and Virginia are states that I could see jumping on this as well.
 
Look at it this way, regardless of whether or not Trumpf & Co is a sinking ship, the Republican Leadership need Trump to pass as much bullshit as possible (As they seem to be making an art form out of ineptness right now.). If Trump is covered in Political Scandals and worse, he can't make up that time. His administration looks weaker and weaker because of it.

The weaker Trumpf & Co. look the better it is for 2018 when all this can be stopped.
 
Look at it this way, regardless of whether or not Trumpf & Co is a sinking ship, the Republican Leadership need Trump to pass as much bullshit as possible (As they seem to be making an art form out of ineptness right now.). If Trump is covered in Political Scandals and worse, he can't make up that time. His administration looks weaker and weaker because of it.

The weaker Trumpf & Co. look the better it is for 2018 when all this can be stopped.

Pretty much.

Impeachment or similar might be the dream scenario, but tying Trump and his administration up in investigations, suits etc. is the next best thing. As well as dealing with the genuine issues that need investigated or combated, they bog down his administration and prevent them from implementing their shitty agendas, and together with his own apparent inability to fill vacant positions and the paralysing effect that has on government there's a good chance of forcing the Republicans to come to the mid-terms with no achievements to speak of and a tainted President.
 

Herne

Member
I really hope this goes places. The fact that he can break so many rules and not have people use the law to stop him has been seriously puzzling until now.
 

commedieu

Banned
Look at it this way, regardless of whether or not Trumpf & Co is a sinking ship, the Republican Leadership need Trump to pass as much bullshit as possible (As they seem to be making an art form out of ineptness right now.). If Trump is covered in Political Scandals and worse, he can't make up that time. His administration looks weaker and weaker because of it.

The weaker Trumpf & Co. look the better it is for 2018 when all this can be stopped.

Racists and morons will still vote Republican.

Liberals need to make sure they show up and vote. Problem solved. Nothing is going to change a person's mind that Obama care is bad, even if it saved their life. Or that coal is sure to come back.

The popular vote favors the non dumb. Just need to get out and work it.
 
First of all, another day I'm proud to be a Marylander.

Second, Trump's lawyers said that the president can accept foreign money and that there isn't anything illegal or unethical about it.

I think this is in response to that to either have the federal judge make a confirmation that a president can't make/take money from foreign people or governments. Which will then bring up the Trump Tower on Penn Ave. and wonder if that should be allowed for him to make money off of, i'm assuming.
 

el jacko

Member
Hopefully other states jump on this as well. New York, California, Oregon, Washington and Virginia are states that I could see jumping on this as well.
Not so simple. If any jurisdiction is going to have standing to sue, it'll be DC, Maryland, and Virginia, who host significant infrastructure which may be at a disadvantage due to Trump and his commercial investments being so close.

I mean, maybe New York, New Jersey, and Florida could also join the suit - it just depends on where Trump's business property is, and how they influence local (state-financed) businesses.
 

Lombax

Banned
Happy to hear it. Fuck him, may he be stuck dealing with all of this well past 2020 when we kick his incompetent hate filled ass the fuck out.
 
I don't know or care about if it works, I just know the orange turd will watch the story on Fox News and get pissed and the fire off more nonsensical tweets.
 

KSweeley

Member
It will probably get thrown out, but at the same time, the situation around Trump is so extrodinary I almost wonder if it will go through
 

KSweeley

Member
This is quite interesting, my state of Maryland is arguing that it has special standing in this lawsuit because Maryland needed to give up a clause in its declaration just to be able to sign the U.S. Constitution:

The suit also alleges that Trump is violating domestic emoluments by creating a situation in which states feel compelled to compete for Trump’s favor, perhaps by offering zoning exemptions, waivers or other benefits to help his businesses.

After initially saying the Trump organization would not pursue new deals while he was in office, Trump’s sons announced last week that the company would begin building a network of new hotels in mostly red states that he won in last year’s election.

The suit by D.C. and Maryland says the two jurisdictions are faced with an “intolerable dilemma”: to either go along with the Trump Organization getting special treatment, including possible lost local revenue, or “deny such requests and be placed at a disadvantage vis-à-vis states and other government entities that have granted or will agree to such concessions.”

The District and Maryland file the suit at great peril, Racine and Frosh allege, because the two have a disproportionately large percentage of federal workers and could be acutely affected by federal budget cuts that Trump could seek as retribution.

But Maryland argues that it has special standing to sue. As one of the original states that approved the Constitution, Maryland gave up a clause in its own state declaration that had required its governors not to take any gifts from foreign governments or other states.

I also love this argument from both my state and D.C.:

Racine and Frosh say that unless Trump is reined in under the emoluments clause, Americans can never be certain that “underlying his travel ban, withdrawal from the Paris Accord climate deal or proposed tax cuts” that he is acting in the country’s best interest and not his own.

Strict adherence to the emoluments clauses, D.C. and Maryland argue, ensures “that Americans do not have to guess whether a President who orders their sons and daughters to die in foreign lands acts out of concern for his private business interests; they do not have to wonder if they lost their job due to trade negotiations in which the President has a personal stake; and they never have to question whether the President can sit across the bargaining table from foreign leaders and faithfully represent the world’s most powerful democracy, unencumbered by fear of harming his own companies
 

wildfire

Banned
Typically, any lawsuit that the Maryland AG wants to file, he need authorization from the Governor of Maryland who is Republican Larry Hogan or the legislature, this lawsuit is special because it's suing the federal government and the Maryland General Assembly in this year's session passed a joint resolution authorizing Frosh to sue the federal government without the need of the authorization of Governor Hogan or the legislature: http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&tab=subject3&id=sj0005&stab=01&ys=2017RS



Link to WaPo article about this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...d33dee-f303-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html


Maryland’s General Assembly approved blanket authorization for state Attorney General Brian E. Frosh to sue the federal government, illustrating the eagerness of Democratic legislative leaders to challenge the Trump administration over undocumented immigrants, refugees, health care and other issues.

*doubly cheers*
 

mnannola

Member
Strict adherence to the emoluments clauses, D.C. and Maryland argue, ensures “that Americans do not have to guess whether a President who orders their sons and daughters to die in foreign lands acts out of concern for his private business interests; they do not have to wonder if they lost their job due to trade negotiations in which the President has a personal stake; and they never have to question whether the President can sit across the bargaining table from foreign leaders and faithfully represent the world’s most powerful democracy, unencumbered by fear of harming his own companies.”

There is a reason this clause exists. I'm not sure how anyone could argue against this logic and enforcing this law as strictly as possible.

I hope safeguards are put into place on future administrations so the ambiguity that we have today doesn't exist.
 
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