Intel feeling the pressure now.
https://www.techpowerup.com/235092/...cessors-glued-together-in-official-slide-deck
https://www.techpowerup.com/235092/...cessors-glued-together-in-official-slide-deck
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Intel takes a shot at AMD; says epyc cpus glued together
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GrantDaNasty
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How about you get back to competing, Intel?
No need to take shots at AMD if your product speaks for itself.
No need to take shots at AMD if your product speaks for itself.
epeternally
Member
AMD's products are still completely irrelevant to 75% of the small desktop computing market. Only thing Intel is sweating about is the inevitable death of the home PC.
veloxStrix
Banned
So the same AMD/Intel fanboy war is still going on, huh.
Caayn
Member
That reads like a jealous child's presentation. Watching Intel in panic mode is funny.
Here are the slides in case folks are interested: https://www.computerbase.de/bildstrecke/78687/45/
Here are the slides in case folks are interested: https://www.computerbase.de/bildstrecke/78687/45/
No, it's one GPU that has double the cores of the base PS4.
IamDodongo
Member
Aren't they what people buy for budget builds?
No, they're talking about the server market, in which AMD just completely destroyed with higher yields and better value.
Or, to put it another way, AMD has put out a product for the one/two socket server market at a price point that's impossible for Intel to compete at without completely tanking their gross margin.
Ironically, AMD just released Ryzen 3. Their focus was always on higher-end computing with Ryzen and Threadripper.
Oh, like the inevitable death of pc gaming announced 10 years ago?
Well, I mean it kind of is. Ryzen -- whether it be in Epyc or not -- was fabbed on 14nm LPP, which is an efficiency process not particularly known for higher voltages or clocks. edit: It does, however, do well in efficiency.
Yeah the whole thing is kinda scrappy.
How is X299 doing on the market? I feel like its been quiet for Intel
And Intel CPUs are just laser cut binned xeons since forever.
Rellik
Member
Where are Intel taking a beating? Show some numbers.
intel i7 scorpio incoming
Depends on what you mean by 'budget builds.' It's more apt to to call them 'less ridiculously expensive' builds.
Brilliant
All I can picture from this is an xbox on fire
sure, but it is one or the other not both.
You can't denigrate it by calling a consumer product a cast-off server product and then call the server product a glued-together consumer product.
Much like intel their dies are hybrids that often serve two markets.
TransTrender
Gold Member
Didn't Intel do something similar with the Pentium-D chips they made?
Yeah, everyone bins their dies for different products. It's kind of a known constant in the semi industry.
Very true.
Intel just needs to focus their PR and their R&D teams at this point.
Lol Intel is sweating right now, you can tell due to the stupidity of their argument.
Nobody but obsessed nerds care about the implementation of AMD's configuration as long as it gives results to the performance of their CPUs.
Think of the idiotic comparisons you could make with this sort of thing
Nobody but obsessed nerds care about the implementation of AMD's configuration as long as it gives results to the performance of their CPUs.
Think of the idiotic comparisons you could make with this sort of thing
PaulExcellent
Member
When Intel does something to be proud of, I'll listen to their petty-ass comments.
Can't be on cruise control for much longer.
Can't be on cruise control for much longer.
Define "inevitable". Verify your definition via Merriam. Redact.
Shin
Banned
Hahaha, stop I'm already in tears from all these replies lol
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Gee I wonder whose fault that is. If only there was another competent chipmaker who could have competed with them.
Competition is a wonderful thing in a market, is it not.
If it weren't for the RX480, we wouldn't have the GTX1060 IIRC. Good shit.
This isn't really gaming discussion (I know people are hoping for Ryzen-based consoles, but Epyc is probably reaching a bit far), however I honestly find it pretty impressive what AMD have managed to do with its "glued-together" Zeppelin dies.
With a fairly minute fraction of the R&D budget of Intel, AMD managed to design a single die (the 8 core Zeppelin die, 1 of which is used in Ryzen, 2 in Threadripper and 4 in Epyc) which is used in products that can compete both with Intel's ~$150 desktop CPUs and their $10,000 server chips. They're not necessarily perfect products at every price point, but they're competitive across most of the range, which is impressive when you consider both their complete absence from almost all of these markets for the past few years, and their smaller budget forcing them to do with a single die what Intel does with (afaik) 5 or 6.
The server performance, where you would expect the "glued-together" nature of the Epyc CPUs to be most apparent, is actually possibly their best achievement. Anandtech's early comparison between Epyc and Skylake-SP published yesterday is well worth the read for anyone interested in this stuff. A system with 2 of AMD's new Epyc 7601 CPUs ($4200 apiece) is not only competitive with a dual Xeon 8176 ($8719 apiece) system, but even manages to comfortably outperform it in more than one test. For a company that hasn't had an even remotely competitive product in this category for years now, to be able to jump to that performance level with something that's "glued together" is quite a feat. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are circumstances where AMD has achieved a genuine order-of-magnitude performance improvement over their last server chips.
With a fairly minute fraction of the R&D budget of Intel, AMD managed to design a single die (the 8 core Zeppelin die, 1 of which is used in Ryzen, 2 in Threadripper and 4 in Epyc) which is used in products that can compete both with Intel's ~$150 desktop CPUs and their $10,000 server chips. They're not necessarily perfect products at every price point, but they're competitive across most of the range, which is impressive when you consider both their complete absence from almost all of these markets for the past few years, and their smaller budget forcing them to do with a single die what Intel does with (afaik) 5 or 6.
The server performance, where you would expect the "glued-together" nature of the Epyc CPUs to be most apparent, is actually possibly their best achievement. Anandtech's early comparison between Epyc and Skylake-SP published yesterday is well worth the read for anyone interested in this stuff. A system with 2 of AMD's new Epyc 7601 CPUs ($4200 apiece) is not only competitive with a dual Xeon 8176 ($8719 apiece) system, but even manages to comfortably outperform it in more than one test. For a company that hasn't had an even remotely competitive product in this category for years now, to be able to jump to that performance level with something that's "glued together" is quite a feat. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are circumstances where AMD has achieved a genuine order-of-magnitude performance improvement over their last server chips.
DarkestHour
Banned
Intel is already shitting on AMD in the desktop and server market. How are they not competing again? It's AMD that isn't competing. They've been putting out lackluster products for years.
So basically just like the i9
And Zen CPU architecture for AMD changes things. The only reason Intel is now in a position where they have to put out stupid PR like this is because they have not innovated for consumer CPUs in atleast 5 years and allowed AMD to mostly catch up to them with like 1/10th of their expense with just one product launch.
Call it the limitations of silicon if you want, the facts are the facts.
Nealand Liquor
Member
So does this mean Intel cpu's should be bundled with fire extinguishers?
JonnyDBrit
Member
Ryzen has managed to find itself a place as, effectively speaking, the (more) affordable workbench/multitasking CPU. E.g. Why pay two-three times the price on a high end intel CPU to shave an extra two minutes off your video rendering? Or if you're into streaming, those extra cores will mean your framerate and/or quality takes less of a hit, even if in non-streaming use it doesn't reach as high as an equivalent intel CPU.
They've hardly taken the lion's share of CPUs yet, but have managed to quickly claw back a good chunk of new purchases this year.
Rushersauce
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