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IFA 2017: HDMI spokesman: Xbox One X first device to support HDMI 2.1 + VRR

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Translated from german from the article:

"A HDMI licensing spokesman confirmed that they currently assume that the Microsoft's forthcoming Xbox One X releasing November 7 will be the first device to already support HDMI 2.1."

"The spokesman also suggests that the Xbox One X will support the VRR feature (Variable Refresh Rate)"

The article confirms the tweet regarding on the topic that was made by MS Mike Ybarra recently.

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Update:
Thanks to DopeyFish for reminding me!
Just so people are aware, X1X also supports Freesync 2, but you need to have a monitor that supports it over HDMI but most are Displayport.
Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-project-scorpio-supports-freesync-and-hdmi-vrr
 
Alexious said:
Eurogamer said that when they revealed Scorpio's specs.
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It's still a question asked a lot because not everyone is certain that it does, including me.
So this is great to hear and/or get proper confirmation.

Hoo-doo said:
Wasn't this known for a while?

When are TV's that actually support it coming out?
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Next year I guess, we'll see at CES, 8K TV's by Sharp releasing next year also :P
 
I heard that some features of HDMI 2.1 can be brought over to HDMI 2.0 through a firmware update. They haven't said which features though. And I doubt VRR would be one of them.
 
Wow nice. I thought it'd just be 2.0 but that's great news. Now we just need HDMI 2.1 TVs to be announced at CES 2018.
 
Toki767 said:
I heard that some features of HDMI 2.1 can be brought over to HDMI 2.0 through a firmware update. They haven't said which features though. And I doubt VRR would be one of them.
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For TVs with a an chipset already inside which could/would support HDMI 2.1, a firmware update would bring some of it's functionality to TVs. Those features would vary from set to set based on what the hardware is capable of.
 
Digital Foundry had to correct themselves about this

Weird to see HDMI 2.1 on the table after all

I'm surprised that they could still implement it, I assume they'll have to start manufacturing soon and HDMI 2.1 will have to be a hardware thing
 
Darklor01 said:
For TVs with a an chipset already inside which could/would support HDMI 2.1, a firmware update would bring some of it's functionality to TVs. Those features would vary from set to set based on what the hardware is capable of.
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I can see that for Samsung TVs with a breakout box where you just exchange the box if the hw supports no firmware update.

I don't know about OLEDs though. Would love to get an update for my 2016 B6.
 
Colbert said:
I can see that for Samsung TVs with a breakout box where you just exchange the box if the hw supports no firmware update.

I don't know about OLEDs though. Would love to get an update for my 2016 B6.
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They still doing that? The last breakout box for my HU9000 came out a couple years back.
 
Colbert said:
I can see that for Samsung TVs with a breakout box where you just exchange the box if the hw supports no firmware update.

I don't know about OLEDs though. Would love to get an update for my 2016 B6.
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I don't have a clue about the OLEDs, but there was some discussion that simply buying a new breakout box for the Samsung sets would provide 2.1 support. There hasn't been an answer on that yet that I could find, but the members of the forums I looked in seemed to feel that wouldn't work. I'm hoping they're wrong.
 
Presumably though, games will need to support it. So games with a locked 30 / 60 frame rate won't benefit.

Would games that already have an unlocked frame rate naturally take advantage of it by default? Makes you wonder whether Scorpio patched games may, in future, include an option to unlock the frame rate to take advantage of this.
 
Cartho said:
Presumably though, games will need to support it. So games with a locked 30 / 60 frame rate won't benefit.

Would games that already have an unlocked frame rate naturally take advantage of it by default? Makes you wonder whether Scorpio patched games may, in future, include an option to unlock the frame rate to take advantage of this.
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From what i understand you can have games that are locked 30 40 or 50 without picture Quality loss on your tv. So maybe the 30 or 60 locked games are gone
 
Now we just need them to announce that the testing and cert process for 2.1 has been ratified so we can start getting TV announcements.
 
dante_f said:
From what i understand you can have games that are locked 30 40 or 50 without picture Quality loss on your tv. So maybe the 30 or 60 locked games are gone
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Well not totally - they will still need frame rate locks for people without VRR tvs. Games which have an inbuilt 30-60 lock will surely need a toggle to remove it.
 
Great news. The X1X is shaping up nicely. Now the question is, which, and when are tv manufacturers going to jump in. 4K 60" with Freesync will be glorious.

Trago said:
I need TV to get G-Sync/Freesync ASAP.

VRR is a serious game changer. Really cool that Xbox supports it.
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I'm considering getting a minotor to try it out.
 
I need TV to get G-Sync/Freesync ASAP.

VRR is a serious game changer. Really cool that Xbox supports it.
 
maks said:
It will be compatible with both freesync and gsync monitors? Or is this a 3rd standard?
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It's a third standard. It's possible that HDMI 2.0 monitors could get a firmware update to support VRR, but I'm just speculating.

However, unlike FreeSync and GSync, it will be supported on everything supporting HDMI 2.1. Thus, you won't be vendor-locked to a GPU manufacturer based on your monitor choice.

dante_f said:
So you Will see more games with a choise unlocked or capped?
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My guess is that they'll detect if you're hooked up to a VRR compatible monitor/TV. If you are, run uncapped (well, cap it at the maximum framerate of the monitor at least). If you are on a traditional monitor/TV, continue to run like games do today on consoles.
 
maks said:
It will be compatible with both freesync and gsync monitors? Or is this a 3rd standard?
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It's a third standard (though the One X also supports FreeSync). Since it's part of the official HDMI 2.1 spec, that should help it see better adoption in places Gsync and FreeSync have not, like TVs, and also ensure it's not tied to a single GPU vendor.
 
Iced_Eagle said:
It's a third standard. It's possible that HDMI 2.0 monitors could get a firmware update to support VRR, but I'm just speculating.

However, unlike FreeSync and GSync, it will be supported on everything supporting HDMI 2.1. Thus, you won't be vendor-locked to a GPU manufacturer based on your monitor choice.



My guess is that they'll detect if you're hooked up to a VRR compatible monitor/TV. If you are, run uncapped (well, cap it at the maximum framerate of the monitor at least). If you are on a traditional monitor/TV, continue to run like games do today on consoles.
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I hope this bodes well for PC gamers wanting to hookup their rigs to a TV with VRR. I'm guessing HDMI 2.1 GPU's will drop next year. Or Existing cards will support it.
 
Huh, I thought HDMI 2.1 was a hardware thing and no 2.0 device could ever become 2.1 from a firmware upgrade.
 
henhowc said:
its nice but sucks for anyone buying a tv right now that probably won't meet the specs.

aka me lol
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Same here :( Bought a PS4 Pro and ordered an Xbox One X, so a 4K screen ( which I don't have ) and would last a few years would be nice.

It's gonna be pretty frustrating for me having a PS4 and X1X lying around without a 4K screen. I guess I won't be able to wait if I'm honest 😬

I'd rather buy a new set asap but I'm afraid I'll regret that.
 
Iced_Eagle said:
It's a third standard. It's possible that HDMI 2.0 monitors could get a firmware update to support VRR, but I'm just speculating.

However, unlike FreeSync and GSync, it will be supported on everything supporting HDMI 2.1. Thus, you won't be vendor-locked to a GPU manufacturer based on your monitor choice.



My guess is that they'll detect if you're hooked up to a VRR compatible monitor/TV. If you are, run uncapped (well, cap it at the maximum framerate of the monitor at least). If you are on a traditional monitor/TV, continue to run like games do today on consoles.
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Guess Who said:
It's a third standard (though the One X also supports FreeSync). Since it's part of the official HDMI 2.1 spec, that should help it see better adoption in places Gsync and FreeSync have not, like TVs, and also ensure it's not tied to a single GPU vendor.
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Got it, thanks for clarifying!
 
According to the Vizio TCO, TV's would have to be architectured to support vrr. So I would probably expect the VRR feature to be implemented on only a few select tvs. I could be wrong tho.
 
Gitaroo said:
Anyone know if ps4 pro has custom chip that allow it to support vvr? Like how ps4 was updated to support hdr.
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VRR ;) The custom chip for HDR was necessary because the HDMI output of the PS4 is only version 1.4. PS4 Pro has HDMI 2.0 output so theoretical it could be possible. Theoretical!
 
Alexious said:
Eurogamer said that when they revealed Scorpio's specs.
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Hoo-doo said:
Wasn't this known for a while?

When are TV's that actually support it coming out?
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Eurogamer mistakenly said it and Xbox clarified obly HDMI 2.0a/b for now. Now HDMI is confirming Xbox One X will be the first consumer electronic device to support HDMI 2.1 plus we already have confirmation of freesync support. This is great news. Now to get the spec on televisions ASAP. Next year we should see a few flagship televisions have it.
 
jeff_rigby is probably DYING inside knowing he can't post paragraphs of words that look familiar but somehow don't make sense in this thread.
 
Just so people are aware, X1X also supports freesync, but you need to have a monitor that supports it over HDMI but most are displayport
 
Some computer monitors support 4k60 freesync on HDMI 2.0b with extra hardware inside, could be the case here too since xb1x is 4k60 freesync support.

I'm now speculating hdmi 2.1 is backwards compatible with the tech.
 
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