DiipuSurotu
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More at: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/protester-hugged-nazi-pleads-hate-article-1.3575977
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Protester hugs Nazi outside Richard Spencer talk, asks 'Why do you hate me?'
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More at: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/protester-hugged-nazi-pleads-hate-article-1.3575977
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Read the OP, people.
It has got good stuff in it. :'(
It has got good stuff in it. :'(
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Maybe the nazi was just scared shitless of the angry crowd surrounding him.
I'd hug him too. With a fist.
But props to the guy for taking the different route.
I'd hug him too. With a fist.
But props to the guy for taking the different route.
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What a guy. Here's hoping he was able to chance at least one person's mindset.
Courtney, and other black people like him, to white racists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSKyaXkzVvc
"How come he don't want me"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSKyaXkzVvc
"How come he don't want me"
lucebuce12
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I'm not black or white or American and I have tears in my eyes from reading this.
excelsiorlef
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Guy doesn't know why he's a Nazi?
Mmmhmmm. Sure.
Mmmhmmm. Sure.
MugiwaraCole
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Ewww.
PixelatedBookake
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I get the sentiment, but this comes off as naive and corny to me. They are Nazis bruh. You think a black man hugging them will change their minds? If hugs are their opposition you are basically bringing a rubber chicken to the Vietnam War. His actions are really underselling the dangers of Nazis. Also will be used as "black role model for protesting" by conservatives.
NHarmonic.
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This is really powerful. Wish hate wasn't such an important drive for these people...
bu..bu but "GOD" told him he changed his life.
Are you suggesting this guy is making things up to satisfy his own need to be accepted by Dwight Mann?🤔🤔🤔🤔
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
The phones, cameras and social media make it somewhat disgusting to me. A beautiful moment dissolved somewhat. There's a thin slimmer of hope that somewhere another guy might see this and question themselves but the quest for "likes, favourites and retweets" has watered down these moments for me for some reason.
ClosingADoor
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I'd like to think this helps. But I imagine that nazi dude just going back to his room and reading more hatred on the websites he visits and continue being a nazi.
the_darkness
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It takes a lot of strength to do something like this. Certainly not the way I would react but you have to hope that it might make a difference.
Too bad he'll be shat on by cynical edgelords and told he's protesting the "wrong" way...
Oh, hi.
Too bad he'll be shat on by cynical edgelords and told he's protesting the "wrong" way...
Oh, hi.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
He'll probably kill himself. They published his name so now both sides will attack him, he'll be lost, neck himself.
the_darkness
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It's kind of pathetic and horribly offensive that you're willing to erase this guy's agency and diminish what he's doing to a "feel good story for moderates".
Blue Ninja
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"I don't know."
Fuck, man, what else is there to say.
Fuck, man, what else is there to say.
Kain-Nosgoth
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He's a good dude! Sometimes this will work better, sometimes not, everyone is different and will react differently, nazi included!
Do people here believe that deep down nobody can change their way of thinking?
My father was a big xenophobe (with racism included) when we grew up, but we always talked about that to him, from when we were teenager to today, he's 65 now but i can say for sure he's not a racist anymore, he changed a lot, simply because we, his children, talked to him and showed him a different way of thinking
Maybe it will work with some people, but i don't think punching him would have helped in his case!
Do people here believe that deep down nobody can change their way of thinking?
My father was a big xenophobe (with racism included) when we grew up, but we always talked about that to him, from when we were teenager to today, he's 65 now but i can say for sure he's not a racist anymore, he changed a lot, simply because we, his children, talked to him and showed him a different way of thinking
Maybe it will work with some people, but i don't think punching him would have helped in his case!
I love stories like this because in a better world Id like to think he changed that Nazis perspective with a single hug...but thats pretty naive.
That Nazi probably fell right back to hating anyone who isnt pure blood Arien an hour later..or even if the event did make him question his hate..hes unlikely to display any change of heart among all his Nazi buddies as that would be weak and traitorous.
That Nazi probably fell right back to hating anyone who isnt pure blood Arien an hour later..or even if the event did make him question his hate..hes unlikely to display any change of heart among all his Nazi buddies as that would be weak and traitorous.
My thoughts exactly.
The problem with punching him, is that it will breed more hatreds among him and his cohorts.
Unless of course you're talking about fisting, that depends.
I'd argue a Nazi isn't going to stop being a nazi just because he got punched.
This is truly touching and summerizes my idealized position that maybe... just maybe... we shouldn't just beat the crap out of each other.
He isn't wrong though, despite you feeling it as offensive. Unfortunately every action has a consequence and this may have the "see we can compromise and teach them with love". Yeah, you can probably rehabilitate some Nazis with that type of action, but most of them are full on extremist. That is what this picture will be used for, for people who have no true stake in this issue.
EDIT: Example is above my post lol
King of Cups
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This is not to say you should just hug every person that claims to be a Nazi, but I can attest that there are a lot of people that truly are ignorant of the world and have accepted a view based on incomplete experience.
Growing up in the South, I had a LOT of people that I considered friends that went crazy for awhile. It was heartbreaking to see, but I've seen them grow out of it as they became more rounded. Maybe not entirely (dunno) but enough insight that brought them back to reality.
Growing up in the South, I had a LOT of people that I considered friends that went crazy for awhile. It was heartbreaking to see, but I've seen them grow out of it as they became more rounded. Maybe not entirely (dunno) but enough insight that brought them back to reality.
Messofanego
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Its offensive that this will inevitably used to silence people who have no desire to try to be nice to or change a racists mind.
The people who love stuff like this and like to bring up Daryl Davis are usually people who arent on the receiving end of the hate from white supremacist.
Edit:
Yep, this is just what I am talking about. You need to hug the people that hate you, not punch them.
Nah Im good.
the_darkness
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So take it up with those people. Why let them influence your perspective of the moment itself? It's not diminished because assholes will co-opt it.
It's a great fantasy, but when most Nazi's react to a hug or a handshake with violence, it becomes a pipe dream.
We can't be pacifists to the end when the opposition yearns for destruction and death.
Messofanego
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There is no victory until Randy Furniss disavows being a Nazi.
Yeah, I would tend to agree. If this dude wants to hug a nazi, that's his prerogative, but he very likely didn't change that piece of shit's opinions at all and all it did was create a photo op for nazi apologists to abuse.
I still offer no empathy or sympathy to any shitbag whose whole ideology revolves around wanting to terrorize, harm or kill people simply because they're not white.
Just an FYI, that dude doesn't post in good faith.
Because once again, this little moment does nothing but make the people who arent on the receiving end of a Nazis hate feel good.
That nazi is still going to hate me and every other black person and no amount of unwanted hugs will change that.
Well. this guy WAS at the recieving end of the hate from white supremacist, and he still decided to stand against violence.
how can it breed more hatred? They're already maxed out. They literally want to exterminate people.
How? When the core ideologies of one side include deathcamps and eugenics? Being a Nazi isn't something you are born with, it's a deliberate choice to want to instill a fascist regime.
Intolerance shouldn't be tolerated.
Peaceful protest and resistance can, and does work. But not always. This story doesn't even say if anything has been achieved, have we gotten any signs that this Nazi has changed their ways?
What about WW2, when the Nazis got a lot of power, would you have recommended non-Nazis give them hugs back then?
old manatee
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I'm glad that guy had that moment. I have zero interest in attempting to rehabilitate Nazis as part of a larger strategy
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