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Nikkei compares the PS3 to the Gamecube circa 2004.

http://it.nikkei.co.jp/digital/news/index.aspx?n=MMITew000019072007

マイクロソフトはXbox360で、SCEが握っていた市場を完全に奪ってしまった。逆にSCEは、04年に任天堂が直面していた状況に陥ってしまったのかもしれない。当時の任天堂のゲームキューブは、マルチプラットフォームで開発されたタイトルでは一番競争力がなく、他社製ハードではプレーできない自社製タイトルで勝負するしかなかった。それと同じようにSCEは、今年のE3のプレスカンファレンスで自社製タイトルで勝負することを強調していた。

Microsoft has completely and totally taken over the market held by SCE with Xbox360. On the other hand, SCE is in the situation faced by Nintendo in 2004. GameCube of at the time was least competitive in multiplatform titles, and had to substitute third party titles with inhouse titles. Like Nintendo before, SCE emphasized on competing with inhouse titles during E3 press conference of this year.

And I know some of you don't trust the source of this translation so here's the Google version too:

Microsoft with Xbox360, took the market which SCE has grasped completely. Conversely perhaps SCE, it falls to the circumstance to which Nintendo Co. has faced in 04. As for the Nintendo Co. of that time game cube, with the title which was developed with multi-platform most there is no competitiveness, with other companies make hard there is no other choice but to have a match with the respective company make title which you cannot play. In the same way as that SCE had emphasized that in the press conference of E3 of this year you have a match with the respective company make title.
 

pswii60

Member
Yes, must be NA. But, the difference is that PS3 still has third party support (GC didn't have GTA), and Sony has far more first party games coming out in a much larger diverse range of genres than Nintendo ever did on the GC.
 

Midas

Member
I would say that it's a pretty fair comparison. But it's far from written in stone that it will end like the GC.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
What a shit thread.


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^^ Why do Halo fans make the worst threads?
 

Durante

Member
Pfft, Nikkei is quite slow compared to GAF.

pswii60 said:
Yes, must be NA. But, the difference is that PS3 still has third party support (GC didn't have GTA), and Sony has far more first party games coming out in a much larger diverse range of genres than Nintendo ever did on the GC.
Basically.
 

M3d10n

Member
pswii60 said:
Yes, must be NA. But, the difference is that PS3 still has third party support (GC didn't have GTA), and Sony has far more first party games coming out in a much larger diverse range of genres than Nintendo ever did on the GC.

Replace 'GTA' with 'Resident Evil' and the parallel is nearly complete.
 

ziran

Member
Yeah, GC and PS3 are similar in many ways, especially the potential for future 3rd party exclusives.

However, Sony has obviously made far more mistakes than Nintendo. PS3 hw, 1st party sw and 3rd party sw sales are worse, and it's in a worse position because it came as the sequel to the biggest selling system ever. GC was the logical extension to N64 in function and market share.

GC, PS3 comparisons will only become more prevalent imo.
 

C.T.

Member
Ano 2013: "we just start slow, this generation just started and we have a gorgeous 10 years masterplan. Wii will lose its appeal next year, when everyone on this planet buys blu-ray and HD, its set in stone. We are taking plans for a 400$ price reduction, even though we don't consider our competion as competion."
 

Juice

Member
So the PS3 isn't just doing GameCube Bad, it's doing GameCube after having had three whole years to languish in mediocrity and missed sales targets Bad.

I mean geez. By 2004, Nintendo had to infamously shut down its factories and stop producing the thing.

PS3's future isn't necessarily rosy-looking at this point, but it's not quite that dreadful. GameCube 2002, for sure.
 

USD

Member
Sony has been giving its heaviest push to its own exclusives, most of them being first party titles, while Microsoft has been emphasizing third-party games, despite the fact the majority of them are multiplatform. Of course MS can flaunt those titles as they will almost certainly sell the most on 360 due to the higher userbase. So far, the big sellers for the PS3 have been Resistance and Motorstorm, both first party, and while Sony's first party games have always sold well, but they've also never had to worry about first party sales dominating third party ones. It will be interesting to see how well third party games perform relative to first party games this fall.
 

WalkMan

Banned
Juice said:
So the PS3 isn't just doing GameCube Bad, it's doing GameCube after having had three whole years to languish in mediocrity and missed sales targets Bad.

I mean geez. By 2004, Nintendo had to infamously shut down its factories and stop producing the thing.

PS3's future isn't necessarily rosy-looking at this point, but it's not quite that dreadful. GameCube 2002, for sure.
Plus PS3 has a legitimate reason, its price.
 

Juice

Member
WalkMan said:
Plus PS3 has a legitimate reason, its price.

They both have one problem in common: games that capture the interest of the average person/gamer.

But while, yeah, PS3 is priced way out of its league, the GameCube (most apparent by 2004) was just as deficient in features/image.
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
M3d10n said:
Replace 'GTA' with 'Resident Evil' and the parallel is nearly complete.
It has a hell of a lot more than that. The comparison is still somewhat valid, however. The PS3 is really struggling.
 

Yixian

Banned
Juice said:
They both have one problem in common: games that capture the interest of the average person/gamer.

Everyone has accepted this is true now, but looking at the PS3s lineup the reverse is true by the end of the year.
 

kay

Member
dark10x said:
It has a hell of a lot more than that. The comparison is still somewhat valid, however. The PS3 is really struggling.
It's struggling for different reasons than GC. GC had Nintendo games but really, that's it. The only thing that stopped the GC from selling a lot was the lack of 3rd party games.. Sony is down because of price, also fewer big games out. The PS3's functionality vastly surpasses the Gamecube's so the only real comparison is "they both aren't/weren't market leaders". Plus this generation won't have a monster like the PS2 was where it stole almost every high profile game away from it's competitors. It could be the Wii this time around but I'm just not seeing it with a lot of quality 360/PS3 games coming down the road.
 

ram

Member
lol - the article fails in many ways :lol

it would be legitimate, IF the xbox360 reached ps2 sales dimensions - but yeah, the xbox brand is struggling hard too - with moores departure and the missing x07 and the repair-damages...
 
Wouldn't it have to be equal to the Xbox to be a Gamecube?

GC's biggest problem was it's image. PS3 suffers similarly but not nearly to the same degree. One thing I do agree with though is that Sony is behaving similarly to Nintendo around then. In NA at least they seem really content to let the brand name languish, where MS and Nintendo are out there constantly earning press Sony seems to think announcing a price drop and games is enough.

ram said:
lit would be legitimate, IF the xbox360 reached ps2 sales dimensions - but yeah, the xbox brand is struggling hard too - with moores departure and the missing x07 and the repair-damages...

So the xbox brand is struggling because of internet message board dick-waving? Really?
 

NinSoX

Banned
ram said:
lol - the article fails in many ways :lol

it would be legitimate, IF the xbox360 reached ps2 sales dimensions - but yeah, the xbox brand is struggling hard too - with moores departure and the missing x07 and the repair-damages...

Oh yea those are great reasons why Xbox brand is struggling :lol Once again armchair analysts make fun of real analysts but come up short with the stupidest arguments.
 

ram

Member
NinSoX said:
Oh yea those are great reasons why Xbox brand is struggling :lol

just some examples - look at your beloved NPD - the only good selling console is the WII at the moment.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
In 2004, the Gamecube could be had for 99 dollars and many of it's first party games were 20 dollars or less.

So, once PS3 reaches that stage .. then you can compare it to the Cube. Which by the way, still almost outsold the Xbox when it was all said and done.
 

Juice

Member
ram said:
just some examples - look at your beloved NPD - the only good selling console is the WII at the moment.

Just because the Wii is dominating doesn't mean that any imaginary rationale for the 360's mediocrity in sales or brand value should be wholesale accepted as reasonable.

I was about to quote your argument myelf, because it's ridiculous to think that Moore's departure and X07 are going to affect sales at all.

If investors happened to be particularly enamored with Moore (they aren't), his leaving might affect share price, but H&E is so convoluted in the Microsoft structure that even if consumers cared about MS's financial health (they don't), they'd buy the thing at the same rate they otherwise would if the price fell.

Even if game journalists were really determined to find the cash/time to make it out ot X07 immediately after the most obnoxious E3 on record (they aren't), virtually nothing they can say or do can stop the sales of GTA IV and Halo 3 this holiday.

And the extension of the warranty to 3 years was a net wash from an image point of view, given that it was a peace offering; people it doesn't apply to will forget about it, people it does already own the console and (from the look of SW sales) supporting it anyway.

Your reasons were worse-than-Pachter-drunk bad. Don't bother defending it.

Real reasons for sales/brand problems are almost all tied to a lack of diversity in its appeal:

(1) Developers really committed to the 360 are committed to it because they're resistant to the casual market represented by the Wii, therefore the existing problem of the Xbox brand's pandering to the hardcoriest is only going to be exacerbated as only the most 'hardcore' developers are going to keep making expensive 360 projects in the face of publishers who want buckets full of Wii games.

(2) The cultural diversity is limited since the lion's share of projects for the 360 are either straight out of America or with a very stereotypical Western gamer in mind. Americans that favor Eastern/simpler games are left in the cold, not just the rest of the world.

(3) Marketing for the console has been absurdly narrow, hitting all the usual 18-24 suburban male hotspots. The only improvement this time around is that the 360 picked up what was once the PS2's gangsta-rap appeal.
 

PistolGrip

sex vacation in Guam
wait so because a console is expensive it = gamecube?

There is a lot of PS3 interest. Unfortunately, the price is/was too high. Considering the PS3 has outsold 360 total sales in many places in Europe and in Japan, I fail to see how the PS3 can compare to a console that looked like a kid's lunchbox.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
PistolGrip said:
wait so because a console is expensive it = gamecube?

There is a lot of PS3 interest. Unfortunately, the price is/was too high. Considering the PS3 has outsold 360 total sales in many places in Europe and in Japan, I fail to see how the PS3 can compare to a console that looked like a kid's lunchbox.


Because its selling like the GC???
 

Replicant

Member
wait so because a console is expensive it = gamecube?

There is a lot of PS3 interest. Unfortunately, the price is/was too high. Considering the PS3 has outsold 360 total sales in many places in Europe and in Japan, I fail to see how the PS3 can compare to a console that looked like a kid's lunchbox.

Precisely. The situation is different. With PS3, price is a major barrier to entry while Gamecube had no such issue and yet it still sold poorly. I know a lot of people who want PS3 but can't afford it yet.
 

Vagabundo

Member
PistolGrip said:
wait so because a console is expensive it = gamecube?

There is a lot of PS3 interest. Unfortunately, the price is/was too high. Considering the PS3 has outsold 360 total sales in many places in Europe and in Japan, I fail to see how the PS3 can compare to a console that looked like a kid's lunchbox.

Is there now? How exactly do we gauge that?
 

Master Z

Member
2004 GC? Hell no. GC was on it's deathbed by then and PS3 is just getting started. The PS3 has way more going for it than the GC ever did. The PS3 is just too expensive, that's all. It's doesn't have all the stigma that the "purple lunchbox" had, not even close. Once a steady stream of great games come out and the price drops the PS3 will be fine. Actually I predict PS3 will be #2 worldwide after holiday '08.
 

Jokeropia

Member
pswii60 said:
and Sony has far more first party games coming out in a much larger diverse range of genres than Nintendo ever did on the GC.
However, none of them except perhaps GT5 are likely to match Mario Sunshine, Mario Kart: Double Dash, Smash Bros: Melee etc. in selling power.
 
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