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I'm reading the Qur'an and was hoping for some feedback

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Hi Himuro. I remember answering this question in a Modern Philosophy class I took not too long ago. When God/Allah says "We", it doesn't mean that there are many gods. The royal "we" has also been used by kings in the past. Similarly, God speaking in third person is something you will also find in holy scriptures.

This example can also be found in the Old Testament:

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air...

In a nutshell, it is the word of God, not Mohammed's.

As for how to read the Qur'an, I've never really heard anything about reading the shorter surahs first. I don't see a problem with reading it from the beginning either.

Feel free to ask any question. I'd be glad to help. =)
 
Agent Ghost said:
I never said it was the Bible.
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I was referring to the fact that if someone asked about commentary on the bible, it would be all :lol s and RAPTOR JESUS but the Quran is super serious stuff.
 
That was a pretty stupid comment.
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Why is that? I shouldn't quote the Qu'ran?

I was referring to the fact that if someone asked about commentary on the bible, it would be all s and RAPTOR JESUS but the Quran is super serious stuff.
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Oh, I see what you mean now. Well if anyone wants to argue with me on this I'll destroy them. :lol
 
I'm curious...what are you looking to get out of the Quran/Islam, roughly-speaking? Or are you not looking for anything specific, and instead just learning about them?
 
Armitage said:
I was referring to the fact that if someone asked about commentary on the bible, it would be all :lol s and RAPTOR JESUS but the Quran is super serious stuff.
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Well in this day and age, a Quran is more likely to blow up in your face
 
Im assuming you dont actually know how to read a complete sentence.
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I'm currently reading through it to see what all Islam believes as I am an potential convert.
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I stopped reading at this point.

It is a stupid comment because the video does not sum it up.
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That's a matter of opinion. I have mine and you have yours. Which you've yet to share. All religions are nothing more than fear mongering mind control. Do this or something horrible will happen to you. They all make outrageous claims that cannot be proven. Fake gods pushing fake morals under the threat of fake punishments. Maybe that sums it up better.

Don't even respond to me, just go alert a mod to get me banned. That's what religious people like to do isn't it? Censor people that disagree with them.
 
The Qur'an is believed by Muslims to have been revealed to prophet Mohammad by the angel Gabriel. I presume it's Gabriel narrating to the prophet, and there are times in the text there will be quotes from Allah like "The Lord says...(rest of ayah)" and such. The original Arabic text is poetic, and some translations can sound strange.

Uh, Agent Ghost, that was not nice as he is a possible convert, as he's probably going through a lot of trouble with faith.

But yeah Himuro, I'm a lapsed Muslim myself. Well, I am totally not religious. I'll consider myself a rational person so atheism of this God(Judeo-Christian) makes sense. My advice is to make sure you know what you're about to convert to.
 
Well, Agent Ghost is right, in a sense. Should've broken it easier to the guy though.

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Here's a good link to an online translation of the Qur'an: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

What it says in the video is well, true, but paraphrased. To see original translation text, go click the link.
 
Way to be counter productive.
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How is exposing religion not productive? What good has religion done so far in our history?

If the guy needs help he should read some psychology books, these will actually help him understand the human mind.
 
Himuro said:
I don't know many muslims, and I have little if any contact with anyone who has read the Qur'an. I'm currently reading through it to see what all Islam believes as I am an potential convert.
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Haram!

I'm pretty sure you are not a potential convert.
 
Hadji said:
Hi Himuro. I remember answering this question in a Modern Philosophy class I took not too long ago. When God/Allah says "We", it doesn't mean that there are many gods. The royal "we" has also been used by kings in the past. Similarly, God speaking in third person is something you will also find in holy scriptures.

This example can also be found in the Old Testament:

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air...

In a nutshell, it is the word of God, not Mohammed's.

As for how to read the Qur'an, I've never really heard anything about reading the shorter surahs first. I don't see a problem with reading it from the beginning either.

Feel free to ask any question. I'd be glad to help. =)
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The royal 'we' is an explanation but not the only one, nor is it the best one given that the Abrahamic beliefs were polytheistic to begin with.

'We' could more likely represent the plurality of the Elohim or represent the God/Goddess aspect of Semitic belief. For instance, YHWH and his wife Asherah.
 
Agent Ghost said:
How is exposing religion not productive? What good has religion done so far in our history?

If the guy needs help he should read some psychology books, these will actually help him understand the human mind.
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He was asking about the translation/interpretation of specific verses, as well as the order in which he should read the Quran. He was not asking about some opinions on religion, history, or psychology. Thus anything that is addressing something other than the original post's questions is counterproductive to the thread... AKA trolling/derailing.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Was that attempt at humor worth a potential ban?
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Would it?

All religions gets full expression of views here, positive or negative, mostly negative of course. There's just a good number of people that believe religion is a total crock. Did not the constant fun of Christianity mark itself well here already?

So I wouldn't expect Islam would get a free pass here either.

That being said, perhaps Agent Ghost it would be best if you created a separate thread expressing your discontent among the major religions than here if Himuro is trying to find some specific religious definitions. Though then again I guess you can make an argument for Himuro not to fall into religious doctrine.
 
He was asking about the translation/interpretation of specific verses, as well as the order in which he should read the Quran. Thus anything that is addressing something other than the original post's questions is counterproductive to the thread... AKA trolling/derailing.
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I did show translations. What have you contributed? My suggestions is to not waste time reading the Qu'ran unless for comedy purposes. My original post was more relevant than most of the ones that followed.

ban pls
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Very telling, isn't it?
 
Agent Ghost said:
I did show translations. What have you contributed?
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Note how I said specific translations. I intend to pass along comments from my friend and Arabic instructor, who is the Director of Religious Affairs at the Islamic Center of Southern California.
 
Agent Ghost said:
I did show translations. What have you contributed? My suggestions is to not waste time reading the Qu'ran unless for comedy purposes. My original post was more relevant than most of the ones that followed.
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You could read the Quran for its historical importance. Not as historically accurate. Or you could read it and enjoy its words.

ban pls
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not deserving of a ban. he seems more like he's trying to troll than provide serious discussion with his first posts but if he wanted to divert the OP away from any religion then I just think he was going about it the wrong way.
 
speculawyer said:
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Haram!

I'm pretty sure you are not a potential convert.
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Because he plays GTA :lol U dont know much about haram, if anything.

Masenkame said:
Hey man, back when I was a Muslim I played GTA all the time! It wasn't haraam! At least, I pretended it wasn't :).
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Im starting to wonder about your place once as a muslim when you thought GTA was haram? So you used to be a Muslim? What caused you to not be one anymore?
 
Fady K said:
Because he plays GTA :lol U dont know much about haram, if anything.



Im starting to wonder about your place once as a muslim when you thought GTA was haram? So you used to be a Muslim? What caused you to not be one anymore?
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That was a joke really. All my Muslim friends love GTA. Hell, I've been playing since GTA1.

As for the faith thing, yes I was a Muslim. All it took was the slow realization that what I was believing was quite irrational. It is in fact, mythology. Most religions are. The Judeo-Christian-Muslim god is but one of the thousands of gods on this planet. The Abrahamic faith is heavily influenced by earlier mythologies and religions.
 
Fady K said:
Because he plays GTA :lol U dont know much about haram, if anything.
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It's amazing how these religions lend themselves to spin. I suppose they wouldn't have survived this long if they weren't wired like that.
 
Masenkame said:
That was a joke really. All my Muslim friends love GTA. Hell, I've been playing since GTA1.

As for the faith thing, yes I was a Muslim. All it took was the slow realization that what I was believing was quite irrational. It is in fact, mythology. Most religions are. The Judeo-Christian-Muslim god is but one of the thousands of gods on this planet. The Abrahamic faith is heavily influenced by earlier mythologies and religions.
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How did you even come to such a conclusion?
 
Fady K said:
How did you even come to such a conclusion?
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Which conclusion? It's pretty obvious if you look into the stuff bouncing around the middle east around the time of the rise of Judaism that its foundations have roots in various religious (now, mythologic) tidbits of the time. Same goes for Christianity, whose prime innovation over Judaism was the inclusion of the afterlife, knicked from Zoroastrianism.

Also, as much as I would like to, especially in this case, I try not to ban at all in religious threads. I get into the shit too often to ban with a clean conscience.
 
Fady K said:
How did you even come to such a conclusion?
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Reading. Seriously, read all three Abrahamic texts. Read up Egyptian mythology and Pagan beliefs. Read about the history of all of this.

I used to be a pretty big a Islamic apologist. Chrono is right, we are "wired" to lend spin on the belief. But we are just defending 1400 year old books, and even older for the Torah and the Gospel. There is no actual proof of any claims put forward by any these major religions.

EDIT:Yep, right you are White Man. I'd like to continue this thread, seems like it's getting civil.
 
so all religions are false...! Case closed and I'm glad the collective brainpower of NeoGAF has finally closed the book on this issue.
 
BocoDragon said:
so all religions are false...! Case closed and I'm glad the collective brainpower of NeoGAF has finally closed the book on this issue.
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Well one of them has to be right... right?
 
BocoDragon said:
so all religions are false...! Case closed and I'm glad the collective brainpower of NeoGAF has finally closed the book on this issue.
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I told you all that you should listen to me! I am like the robertsan of brains.

I'll tell you again what I told you before, Himumu: if you are TRULY shopping for a faith, and aren't biased towards or against anything, you are sinning by not giving existentialism a shot. I won't say more than that. An educated existentialist view of the world is at least as fulfilling as religion.
 
Alien Bob said:
Well one of them has to be right... right?
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the correct answer was.... Jainism. Ouch.

White Man said:
I'll tell you again what I told you before, Himumu: if you are TRULY shopping for a faith, and aren't biased towards or against anything, you are sinning by not giving existentialism a shot. I won't say more than that. An educated existentialist view of the world is at least as fulfilling as religion.
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better start smoking clove cigarettes while you're at it.
 
Fady K said:
Because he plays GTA :lol U dont know much about haram, if anything.
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I posted it mostly as a joke. But the character does drink, commit violence, commit crimes . . . I hope that stuff is mostly haraam.
 
BocoDragon said:
the correct answer was.... Jainism. Ouch.
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Just wondering, you are messing with us, right?

Jainism core moral values are pretty good, but the rest of it is a bit too much.

As for faith, I don't think it's necessary at all, even in something that's non-dogmatic.
 
speculawyer said:
What seems more likely: One of the many are right? or None of them are right.

Who knows?
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It's either the oldest religion or the newest.... Wayne Bradyism is where it's at!
 
speculawyer said:
What seems more likely: One of the many are right? or None of them are right.

Who knows?
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With the sheer number of religions on this world, out of just probability, most of us are going to hell! :)
 
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