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Hubble Deep Field.... Words cannot describe our insignificance.

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if earth was wiped out the universe would just go along without us as if nothing ever happened
we are LITERALLY nothing:lol
 
It's such a shame that the distances are so vast. Assuming life has been developing on other worlds, how many of them every came into contact with one another? How many civilizations know for a fact that they are not alone? And more importantly, will humanity ever make that same discovery before its gone?

That video certainly makes the system wars in the gaming forum seem trivial x100000000.
 
Love this video. Here's the wiki page on the Hubble Ultra Deep Field:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HUDF

It is my absolute favourite image of all time. Sit and stare at it for a bit. Think about each of those thousands of points of light being a galaxy, filled with hundreds of billions of stars. We are a single point of light in a single galaxy.

Oh, and I should pimp the Space thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227775

Tons of great stuff in there.
 
fallout said:
Love this video. Here's the wiki page on the Hubble Ultra Deep Field:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HUDF

It is my absolute favourite image of all time. Sit and stare at it for a bit. Think about each of those thousands of points of light being a galaxy, filled with hundreds of billions of stars. We are a single point of light in a single galaxy.

Oh, and I should pimp the Space thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227775

Tons of great stuff in there.
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PIMP THAT HUDF FALLOUT, PIMP IT WELL!
 
black_13 said:
I think its impossible to deny the existence of a higher power when looking at those videos.
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:lol I think it makes it all the more possible and logical to deny the existence of a higher power.

Come on now. The Christian God -- and all gods -- and religion are homo sapien centric views of the universe.
 
notsol337 said:
You mean it's impossible that a higher power created such a random assortment of burning balls flying around all over the place! You don't need a god for the big bang!
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I'm not really a religious person, but moreso than any theology or religious arguments anyone has ever given me, my college astronomy class about celestial objects, particularly stars, made me believe more in some sort of universal creator than anything else. It's extremely fascinating stuff, and it sure seems random, but the structured order of the process of stars and what they accomplish during their existence in the universe is absolutely remarkable.

It's almost as if the sole job of a star is to be a huge engine, compressing the elementary building block of the universe (hydrogen) into more usable, heavier elements. And this cycle has been repeating and repeating over billions of years across the universe. Out of those heavier elements you get things like comets and asteroids and planetary bodies, which in turn form atmospheres, which in turn may form life. The order out of the chaos of the universe is one of the most interesting things I have ever learned in my life.
 
Phthisis said:
It's such a shame that the distances are so vast. Assuming life has been developing on other worlds, how many of them every came into contact with one another? How many civilizations know for a fact that they are not alone? And more importantly, will humanity ever make that same discovery before its gone?

That video certainly makes the system wars in the gaming forum seem trivial x100000000.
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If any species ever managed to contact one another it must be very rare. Distances are way too long. Unless there is some sort of magical way to travel great distances in a very short time, which is highly doubtful.
 
Count Dookkake said:
I think it makes it a lot easier.
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Agreed. This whole concept of a higher power is a human concept created by humans, written by humans, carried forward generation after generation by humans.

So yeah, if the Earth was the center of the universe -- as was thought of centuries -- maybe the idea of a higher power, as imagined by humans, would make sense. But shit, we're just another rock in the universe which happens to have the right conditions to form liquid water and an oxygen rich atmosphere. This human idea of a higher power, a heaven and hell, an afterlife? That just seems like baloney when you take the scale of the universe into account.

Our human minds want to fill in that gap and try to answer "Why?" But the most detrimental approach to the acquisition of knowledge is to acquiesce to the idea of a higher power or an intelligent creator. It may be that after all of our rigorous scientific research that we come to the conclusion that there IS an intelligent creator, but we cannot accept that without scientific and measurable proof for to do so is to stop our advancement of astronomical knowledge if we are to end the quest for an answer and accept that "God made it" or that the universe is the result of some "intelligent design". Until then, I roll on the side of science.
 
Phthisis said:
I'm not really a religious person, but moreso than any theology or religious arguments anyone has ever given me, my college astronomy class about celestial objects, particularly stars, made me believe more in some sort of universal creator than anything else. It's extremely fascinating stuff, and it sure seems random, but the structured order of the process of stars and what they accomplish during their existence in the universe is absolutely remarkable.

It's almost as if the sole job of a star is to be a huge engine, compressing the elementary building block of the universe (hydrogen) into more usable, heavier elements. And this cycle has been repeating and repeating over billions of years across the universe. Out of those heavier elements you get things like comets and asteroids and planetary bodies, which in turn form atmospheres, which in turn may form life. The order out of the chaos of the universe is one of the most interesting things I have ever learned in my life.
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How could there not be order if there is interaction? It's just a logical result.

If a grain of sand could think it could feel that its existence is special because in all the vastness of the universe IT came to be, eventually. Yet even if a grain of sand can't think you can arrive at the same conclusion anyway, which means a human's likeliness to exist is equal to that of a grain of sand or a rock or anything else, which means nothing is really special, it's just that humans can lead themselves to think they are.
 
Count Dookkake said:
I think it makes it a lot easier.
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Ditto.

I love the images from the Hubble, though. Just looking at shots like in the video and seeing how that dot contains billions upon billions of stars, let alone planets, is just completely humbling experience that shows how irrelevant we all are. We could have never existed and the rest of the universe would be no different for it. It's debatable whether or not we could even reach the nearest solar system, and that's a tiny distance compared to going from here to Andromeda, and that's next door compared to those in the video that are unfathomable numbers of light years away, both from us and from each other. Hell, those might not even exist any more because we're seeing them from trillions of years ago.

Because they make every computer better... Hubble wallpapers.
 
Phthisis said:
I'm not really a religious person, but moreso than any theology or religious arguments anyone has ever given me, my college astronomy class about celestial objects, particularly stars, made me believe more in some sort of universal creator than anything else. It's extremely fascinating stuff, and it sure seems random, but the structured order of the process of stars and what they accomplish during their existence in the universe is absolutely remarkable.

It's almost as if the sole job of a star is to be a huge engine, compressing the elementary building block of the universe (hydrogen) into more usable, heavier elements. And this cycle has been repeating and repeating over billions of years across the universe. Out of those heavier elements you get things like comets and asteroids and planetary bodies, which in turn form atmospheres, which in turn may form life. The order out of the chaos of the universe is one of the most interesting things I have ever learned in my life.
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All my astronomy classes made me realize just how much human religion was centered on us, and how silly that is.
 
NekoFever said:
Ditto.

...We could have never existed and the rest of the universe would be no different for it. It's debatable whether or not we could even reach the nearest solar system, and that's a tiny distance compared to going from here to Andromeda, and that's next door compared to those in the video that are unfathomable numbers of light years away, both from us and from each other. Hell, those might not even exist any more because we're seeing them from trillions of years ago.
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The general public has this misunderstanding of astronomy and the scale of astrological distances as well as the age of the universe (not to mention how the history of man measures on that scale). Heck, we have a VP candidate that believes the Earth to be some 6000 years old.

It's no wonder that with the lack of education and general understanding of these basic concepts of astronomy (i.e. a light year, how our solar system came to be, the age of the Earth) that people still want to attribute the Earth and Mankind's existence to some higher power.
 
I'm most likely going to be dead before I ever even leave this planet, let alone begin to understand anything out there...I have learned to accept that. Still, I want to know.
 
i dont understand how a picture that demonstrates how little we know is the most important picture to humanity.

i submit that any FHM shot of megan fox is more essential
 
black_13 said:
I think its impossible to deny the existence of a higher power when looking at those videos.
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How so?

(Heh heh heh, now you've got that ball rolling . . .)

And don't bother with the Argument From Personal Incredulity
 
Ether_Snake said:
If any species ever managed to contact one another it must be very rare. Distances are way too long. Unless there is some sort of magical way to travel great distances in a very short time, which is highly doubtful.
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The sad thing is, we lost so much when the library of Alexandria burned down. It really set the human race back by about a 1000 years. Imagine if the industrial revolution occured during the middle ages? We may not be travelling at the speed of light now, but we'd be a whole lot closer to it.
 
Linkzg said:
I'm most likely going to be dead before I ever even leave this planet, let alone begin to understand anything out there...I have learned to accept that. Still, I want to know.
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That's the key. The desire to know is what drives science and discovery. Consider the state of science and astronomy just 100 years ago in 1908. Consider the knowledge of the universe that we've gained just since the Hubble telescope was launched. Humans have been peering into the cosmos since the beginning of recorded history (and even before then), wondering: What's out there? Why are we here? Are we alone?

Religion would have us believe that there's no need to seek those answers: it's all right here in this book (be it the Bible, Quran, and so on). No need to seek answers as to how the universe came to be: God created it. Why waste time and public funding on this when the answers are right here in this book in this motel nightstand?

It's fucking lame and I hate religion for it. Religion in the modern age is the handicap to the advancement of knowledge and science by indoctrinating people -- especially kids -- with this idea that what we don't know as a collective can be explained away by pointing to God. Lame.
 
imagine how crazy it would be if the earth was just as big as jupiter. holy shit at that video. earth has the smallest penis in the universe. we better make our selves look tougher and start blasting subwoofers and shit out our car windows...
 
Count Dookkake said:
I have no idea what your question means or why you are asking me.
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I'm asking you because you say it makes it easier for you to believe that there is no higher existence when you look at those space videos.

My question is why you say so. Because in my eyes there are many similarities between the big bang theory and the theology of creation...
Both share the unique opinion that absolutely everything was created out of nothingness!
science and the believe in a higher power are not so far away from each other imo
 
btkadams said:
imagine how crazy it would be if the earth was just as big as jupiter. holy shit at that video. earth has the smallest penis in the universe. we better make our selves look tougher and start blasting subwoofers and shit out our car windows...
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... What?
 
black_13 said:
I think its impossible to deny the existence of a higher power when looking at those videos.
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I'm pretty sure looking at these videos will allow you to see confirmation of what ever your particular view of a higher power is.

Shorty said:
I'm asking you because you say it makes it easier for you to believe that there is no higher existence when you look at those space videos.

My question is why you say so. Because in my eyes there are many similarities between the big bang theory and the theology of creation...
Both share the unique opinion that absolutely everything was created out of nothingness!
science and the believe in a higher power are not so far away from each other imo
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Which creation myth are you referencing? There are many.
 
Shorty said:
I'm asking you because you say it makes it easier for you to believe that there is no higher existence when you look at those space videos.

My question is why you say so. Because in my eyes there are many similarities between the big bang theory and the theology of creation...
Both share the unique opinion that absolutely everything was created out of nothingness!
science and the believe in a higher power are not so far away from each other imo
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Your question is flawed. I made no claim about my understanding or acceptance of Big Bang Theory. All I said was that looking at pictures of space made the idea of a god seem less likely.
 
btkadams said:
imagine how crazy it would be if the earth was just as big as jupiter. holy shit at that video. earth has the smallest penis in the universe. we better make our selves look tougher and start blasting subwoofers and shit out our car windows...
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But poor Pluto. Imagine being called a "dwarf"
 
Shorty said:
science and the believe in a higher power are not so far away from each other imo
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Science deals more in facts and questions while religion says "I don't know, God(s) did it!"

Plus, our religions combined with the SHEER VASTNESS OF SPACE make you wonder how many religions could exist inside the universe.

Human religions are human-centered.
 
Count Dookkake said:
Your question is flawed. I made no claim about my understanding or acceptance of Big Bang Theory. All I said was that looking at pictures of space made the idea of a god seem less likely.
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You are the most annoying post on GAF ever.

ALWAYS ARGUING

...

ON THE INTERNET!
 
Count Dookkake said:
Your question is flawed. I made no claim about my understanding or acceptance of Big Bang Theory. All I said was that looking at pictures of space made the idea of a god seem less likely.
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You gave no arguments to support your statement. And you have to understand that the statement on it's own is pretty provocative ^^
I'd love to hear why space assures you in your believe why there should be no higher power ...

Kung Fu Jedi said:
Which creation myth are you referencing? There are many.
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Actually I was thinking about the christian mythology when I wrote this...
 
The Hubble Ultra Deep Field picture has been my desktop backround for about a year now :D

It's simply breathtaking.
 
I'll never understand why things like this are supposed to point out our insignificance. If anything, it makes me think we're even more awesome.

As far as the earth being mall, aren't we one of the larger terrestrial planets? We're fucking awesome.
 
DarkJediKnight said:
The sad thing is, we lost so much when the library of Alexandria burned down. It really set the human race back by about a 1000 years. Imagine if the industrial revolution occured during the middle ages? We may not be travelling at the speed of light now, but we'd be a whole lot closer to it.
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Yeah during the Hellenistic era they were on the brink of creating a steam engine, but because they had slaves do most if not all manual labor, it became a novelty toy that faded into obscurity. The Industrial Revolution could have taken place two and a half freaking millenia ago. Truly saddening. =(
 
Shorty said:
You gave no arguments to support your statement. And you have to understand that the statement on it's own is pretty provocative ^^
I'd love to hear why space assures you in your believe why there should be no higher power ...
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At the risk of making special-forces-forum-cop Ether Snake cry...

My original statement was that these pics make it easier to not believe in a god. I did not realize that you were asking me for support. Okay, support rendered redundant by previous posters...

1) Space is ridiculously larger than anything hinted at by any of earth's major religions.

2) We are not in anway at the center of everything, so it seems unlikely that any creator holds us in special esteem.

Oh, I am not offering the above as PROOF, just as support of how one may be moved by the images.

When you initially questioned my position, you brought up the Big Bang theory. This was an error because my belief of the lessoned chance of a god doesn't hinge on Big Bang. Getting into a discussion of the particulars of Big Bang would be a cul-de-sac. Might be interesting, but it won't go anywhere when we are discussing my incredulity of a personal god in light of Hubble images. The old phrase "What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?" is appropriate in this situation.

Now I hope this doesn't come across as rude or argumentative, because despite Ether Snake's pathetic wailing, that was not my intent. I really didn't understand why you asked me the question you did.
 
black_13 said:
I think its impossible to deny the existence of a higher power when looking at those videos.
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I think it is impossible to believe in the existing organized religions when looking into those videos. These religions are clearly made by man for man . . . when it is clear we are insignificant in the universal scheme of things.

Edit: These references to a 'higher power' are pretty meaningless. WTF is a 'higher power'? No one knows why the universe exists and postulating a 'higher power' does nothing to answer that question.
 
Ether_Snake said:
How could there not be order if there is interaction? It's just a logical result.

If a grain of sand could think it could feel that its existence is special because in all the vastness of the universe IT came to be, eventually. Yet even if a grain of sand can't think you can arrive at the same conclusion anyway, which means a human's likeliness to exist is equal to that of a grain of sand or a rock or anything else, which means nothing is really special, it's just that humans can lead themselves to think they are.
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I should be more clear. It doesn't make me think about the origin of humanity or that we're special in any way. What it does make me think about is that, given the processes and states of being of universal substances and the seemingly natural rules they follow when they interact, it gives the universe a much more teleological purpose in my mind.
 
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