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GAF Photography Workshop - July: Feedback, Crit & Discussion

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- Try to post only one (or a few tightly related) photos at a time to make it easier for commenters.

- If you post multiples, number each photo so that commenters can refer to individual photos without ambiguity.

- Try to avoid quoting photos, but if you need to, only quote those you're commenting on.

- Please do your best to think critically about then comment on photos posted by others.

- Please keep your criticism constructive.

Constructive Criticism
Constructive criticism is as specific as possible
eg, "Try straightening your horizon; this degree of crookedness is a bit distracting"
vs, "This looks off"

Constructive criticism offers a proposed positive change for every potentially negative comment
eg, "I think I lack the context that you might have when I look at this photo [of your dog]. Do you think you could prompt me toward that context in the composition?"
vs, "You think this is art? I fart in your general direction ha ha"

Prompts:

The goal of this thread is to have a photo thread that is more directed and more comments and criticism oriented than the quarterly thread, but not as directed as the contest threads. So, this is not an assignment thread. Feel free to post any work you'd like in-depth feedback on: no restrictions. Also feel free to come up with ideas for prompts, either technical or creative, for the other workshopping photographers to run with.

The thread will change monthly, which will hopefully be the rate at which I can develop new ideas on possible prompts and actually deliver on them in the first post of future threads.

Candidate prompts I've thought of so far:

-Shooting in RAW: Choose a high DR scene and try to pull as much detail from it as possible with a single exposure via your available in-camera tools and processing workflow.

-Build a small macro studio: There's a good guide over at Strobist that we could follow that doesn't require offboard flash.

-Multiple exposures: Pick a very high DR scene and capture all the DR without halos, posterizing, compression, or any other untoward visual artifacts.

-Black and white conversion: In which we do black and white conversions without once touching a saturation slider. masks, color contrast, etc.

-Street portraits: Walk up to someone you don't know and ask to take their picture.
 
great, i'll start!

here's a photo i took in dublin.

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what i like about it: the cranes. the amount of construction, and moreover the amount of stalled construction was amazing. the perspective (of the original) is a bit weird because of the distortion from the ultra-wide, so there was cropping involved.

i did a quick patch up in the upper right corner of something that was munged by the b&w conversion. it's a bit nasty right now..
 
Here's a picture I took recently. Don't think I changed about it. Just shot with the stock lens.

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fart said:
great, i'll start!

here's a photo i took in dublin.

3731820658_ebcc0c586e_o.jpg


what i like about it: the cranes. the amount of construction, and moreover the amount of stalled construction was amazing. the perspective (of the original) is a bit weird because of the distortion from the ultra-wide, so there was cropping involved.

i did a quick patch up in the upper right corner of something that was munged by the b&w conversion. it's a bit nasty right now..

I really like the horizontal lines. Too bad you weren't exactly in the center of the path in that garden, it would have been perfect composition in my book. Also, maybe a little more contrast?
 
fart said:
here's a photo i took in dublin.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2423/3731820658_ebcc0c586e_o.jpg[img][/QUOTE]
My first reaction was that the sky was a bit overexposed, especially towards the right hand side. This makes the cranes blend in a bit too much, especially considering that they should be the main focus of the picture. The most interesting crane is the one cut off to the left, since it's in front of a darker patch of cloud. Also, the bottom part is so dark and detailed (at least compared to the top part) that it draws the attention away from the cranes.

And, now that banzaiaap mentioned it, the off-centeredness (is that a word) is a bit distracting as well.

I hope this helps. :)
 
fart said:
great, i'll start!

here's a photo i took in dublin.

3731820658_ebcc0c586e_o.jpg
Cool shot above the horizon, but ya centering in the path would have been great. Burn in the sky on the right and do some extra dodging and burning to the clouds in addition to a bump in contrast. Bring up the darks and sink in the blacks. Cool shot
 
Banzaiaap said:
Here's a picture I took recently. Don't think I changed about it. Just shot with the stock lens.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2427/3709556891_4a7e27098a_o.jpg
i think the far left of the frame is wasted here. the bridge has a bit of a bizarre shape, and might work well as a subject, but the road and few buildings are a distraction and not nearly as interesting. also, the edges look notable soft. what aperture/focal? (my exif viewer isn't installed right now..)

agreed on the decentering of my shot. it's quite the pisser, and was even worse before cropping. hmm, i'll rework the conversion and do some exposure adjustment and see what happens.. i may also clone out the leftmost crane..
 
fart said:
i'll rework the conversion and do some exposure adjustment and see what happens.. i may also clone out the leftmost crane..
If you want to upload the RAW file, you could see how others envision your shot after post.
 
Rentahamster said:
If you want to upload the RAW file, you could see how others envision your shot after post.

I like this idea. Upload a websized converted picture and an accompanying RAW or TIFF file that people could play with (and as you stated, show their vision of the shot).
 
i really like this idea too, but i'd like to keep people from publicly posting RAWs (or even really high res jpegs) of any shot they think they might eventually care about. any idea on how we could share RAWs (full-size TIFFs are way too big) without making them public?

it seems i can't even put full-res jpegs on flickr with the free account. here's the (still small) color version of the shot above http://www.flickr.com/photos/pfhat/3733899723/sizes/l/
 
one technical note i have is that it doesn't look like there was enough DOF in this shot. the nose and furthest eye are clearly out of focus, and i think it's a bit distracting (at least in the original). out of focus dog noses are becoming a bit of a pet peeve of mine though

you may want to stop your lens down or adjust focus (in case it was just front-focus) to fix this in future.
 
fart said:
one technical note i have is that it doesn't look like there was enough DOF in this shot. the nose and furthest eye are clearly out of focus, and i think it's a bit distracting (at least in the original). out of focus dog noses are becoming a bit of a pet peeve of mine though

you may want to stop your lens down or adjust focus (in case it was just front-focus) to fix this in future.

I couldn't agree with you more. I just got my 50mm 1.8 lens and I can't help myself using 1.8 apeture..addicting. Need to tone it down though because all of my shots are starting to have this overly short DOF. I was hoping with the PP it would 'detract' from the short focal length and blur of the nose with the old look.
 
Tapiozona said:
I couldn't agree with you more. I just got my 50mm 1.8 lens and I can't help myself using 1.8 apeture..addicting. Need to tone it down though because all of my shots are starting to have this overly short DOF. I was hoping with the PP it would 'detract' from the short focal length and blur of the nose with the old look.

Having shot a 50mm f/1.4, the best thing to do is use the center focus point if your shooting wide open (assuming your using a Canon) and tap the focus (half pressing the shutter multiple times). The latter advice makes the focus reconfirm and readjust if its off by a little.
 
Tapiozona said:
I couldn't agree with you more. I just got my 50mm 1.8 lens and I can't help myself using 1.8 apeture..addicting. Need to tone it down though because all of my shots are starting to have this overly short DOF. I was hoping with the PP it would 'detract' from the short focal length and blur of the nose with the old look.
in that case i'd say yes and no. increasing the apparent contrast by accentuating color contrast like you did draws emphasis away from the softness of the right eye, but i still think the nose is a bit odd.

beautiful lab though :)

canon shooters: can you configure the rebel series to do AF-ON style control? specifically, can you make it so that only an AF lock button focuses and the shutter doesn't cause a refocus?
 
fart said:
canon shooters: can you configure the rebel series to do AF-ON style control? specifically, can you make it so that only an AF lock button focuses and the shutter doesn't cause a refocus?

There's a custom function that detaches exposure and auto focus but (at least for the Rebel XT) I don't think it has a function for the example you gave. There's been like 3 revisions since the Rebel XT though.
 
Hmm, let's try another picture, thanks for the feedback on the other picture, you were right, but I tried to put it in perspective with its surroundings I guess.

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Here's one I'm quite happy with. I've only done some minor color correction.
 
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