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WTF Super Stardust HD runs at 720p now (not 1080p)

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Have a fun! Enjoy!
UPDATE 2 (10/06/2010)

Patch 5.00 is out. Everything is fixed.

UPDATE
I've contacted Housemarque for clarification about this 720p thing. It turns out the version I re-downloaded from the Store (the European one) is some kind of work in progress 3D version. Not the final one.

I was told by Housemarque that the proper 3D version (which will be labeled 5.00 once updated - mine is still 4.00) will indeed display at full, native 1920x1080p/60fps when played in 2D mode. Not only that. Splitscreen mode will run at 60fps as well (instead of previous 30fps) in 2D mode, which my version already does (and it's awesome!) albeit it's "stuck" @ 720p for some odd reasons.

Here is the full message.

"I checked the latest version here with my Sony SXRD and it goes to
1080p mode as it should. 5.0 version (this can be checked from the credits screen) now supports native 1920x1080 and for the 720p it adds 4X anti-aliasing. Also the split screen co-op runs now 60fps.

Best regards,
Harri"
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So, to sum it up, when the final version comes out...

- 2D mode will run at the usual resolution (1080p) and frame rate (60fps - even in split-screen) and will add 4xAA when displayed at 720p.

- 3D mode will run at 720p/60fps.

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ORIGINAL POST

In case you didn't notice, Sony has apparently updated Super Stardust HD with the "3D version".

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/06/04/first-3d-ps3-game-goes-live/

There is a catch tho. Instead of having to install a patch, apparently you have to re-download the whole thing. Ok, not a biggie.

So, despite not having a 3D TV set yet, I decided to re-download it just to be ready.

I started the game on my 1080p 2D Bravia and I noticed the resolution was 720p instead of 1080p.

I tried forcing 1080p by un-checking other resolutions in the XMB. No luck. It goes SD mode.

I re-downloaded the demo, and that one still runs at 1080p.

WTF is going on?

I emailed Housemarque for a clarification.
 
Man said:
Probably just a patch away. Breathe. :)
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Dunno. Sounds like a bug to me. Like the game goes in 3D mode resolution-wise despite being displayed on a standard 1080p 2D display.
 
This is one of the many reasons I hate this 3D garbage. 98% of the people have to suffer so that 2% of the people can fool themselves into thinking it's worth it
 
Did they say somewhere that it would be 1080p in 3D?

From my understanding there won't be 1080p 3D games on current hardware.

EDIT: OH, I see, the problem is you can't get it to be 1080p in 2D now? That *is* silly.
 
Speevy said:
1080p resolution and 3D cause a framerate drop?

I dunno, I wouldn't have done what you did.
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The thing is game info still says it runs at 1080p. If you buy the game now, you should get 1080p but instead you get 720p. Something odd is going on. There is no reason why it shouldn't run at full resolution when displayed in 2D.
 
kenta said:
This is one of the many reasons I hate this 3D garbage. 98% of the people have to suffer so that 2% of the people can fool themselves into thinking it's worth it
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For what it's worth this game seems like a perfect candidate for 3D. But this bug or whatever is BS and needs to be fixed.
 
swerve said:
Did they say somewhere that it would be 1080p in 3D?

From my understanding there won't be 1080p 3D games on current hardware.
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No, they said 3D mode will run at 720p.
2D mode should still be displayed @ 1080p
 
The HDMI ports on those tvs can't handle 1080P and 3D (above 24hz). But it seems like a really lazy solution if they're gonna force everyone to play at 720P. Probably just a glitch.
 
Yup, I edited when I realised what you were on about. Change the title and OP to say *even in 2D* or you'll get responses like mine, and the one after this one...
 
Don't 3d games take a performance hit? I'm assuming they had to lower the resolution to get it running at a decent frame rate, so they dropped the resolution?
 
kenta said:
This is one of the many reasons I hate this 3D garbage. 98% of the people have to suffer so that 2% of the people can fool themselves into thinking it's worth it
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There is no reason whatsoever that the game should run in lower resolution when NOT in 3D mode. This must be some kind of bug. They even said they sped up their engine quite a bit to achieve the 60FPS in 3D mode with full 720p
 
MoxManiac said:
For what it's worth this game seems like a perfect candidate for 3D. But this bug or whatever is BS and needs to be fixed.
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No game is a perfect candidate for being turned into an interactive diorama

But yes this is BS and it only adds credence to my fears that this is going to be normal from now on

Edit: wait diorama might not be the word I'm looking for, what were the things you made inside shoeboxes in grade school? With paper cutouts and crap? Could have sworn we called them dioramas
 
1-D_FTW said:
The HDMI ports on those tvs can't handle 1080P and 3D (above 24hz). But it seems like a really lazy solution if they're gonna force everyone to play at 720P. Probably just a glitch.
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I hope so. I seriously hope so. This whole re-downloading thing seems odd as well. We have been told a patch will be released on the 10th after all.
 
kenta said:
This is one of the many reasons I hate this 3D garbage. 98% of the people have to suffer so that 2% of the people can fool themselves into thinking it's worth it
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It's going to be like that with any newly adopted technology though. I'm sure people said the same thing years back before HD displays were as common as they are now.
 
kenta said:
This is one of the many reasons I hate this 3D garbage. 98% of the people have to suffer so that 2% of the people can fool themselves into thinking it's worth it
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While I agree with you to some extent (I don't have 3DTV btw and don't plan to get one), this quote sounds familiar few years ago when everyone were forced to move to HDTV or BluRay. I wonder if 3 years from now when 3D matures, how many people will diss the non-3D devices for not having 3D and say the same harsh thing just like what people say to the Wii now.

Is it what people call "What you do comes back to you"?
 
LaneDS said:
It's going to be like that with any newly adopted technology though. I'm sure people said the same thing years back before HD displays were as common as they are now.
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We haven't even mastered HD yet, though, and we're already going to start spreading resources (human and technical) so thin that the games as a whole end up suffering? How about let's get to the point where 1080p/60fps native is standard more often than not? Then we can talk about 3D when we might actually have the technology to support it
 
kenta said:
We haven't even mastered HD yet, though, and we're already going to start spreading resources (human and technical) so thin that the games as a whole end up suffering? How about let's get to the point where 1080p/60fps native is standard more often than not? Then we can talk about 3D when we might actually have the technology to support it
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Baring this bug in what's probably an unfinished code anyways, what's the problem with SSDHD in 720p and 60FPS while in 3D?
 
_dementia said:
up next: 30fps Wipeout HD?
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:lol I was about to re-download that one as well, but I'll wait for clarification.

As Lord Error said, there is NO reason why the game should run at lower resolution when displayed in 2D. Lower res should kick in only when activating 3D mode.
 
Check Motorstorm: PR. It normally runs in 720p but drops to sub HD when running into 3D. So if it's still in 720p then that's an easy way to tell that Housemarque just messed up with the 3D patch.
 
Lord Error said:
Baring this bug in what's probably an unfinished code anyways, what's the problem with SSDHD in 720p and 60FPS while in 3D?
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You're assuming it's a bug, I'm assuming it's by design. But I have a litany of problems with 3D as a whole, not just the fact that games might need to run at lower resolutions

I'm weary of getting into this fight, though, since I'm sure neither of us are ready to change our minds
 
WTF this sucks! I'm pretty sure it is a bug because it doesn't make sense. Fix that shit, Guerrilla uuuh Housemarque!

_dementia said:
up next: 30fps Wipeout HD?
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TTP said:
As Lord Error said, there is NO reason why the game should run at lower resolution when displayed in 2D. Lower res should kick in only when activating 3D mode.
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The only possible reason I see is if Sony's TRC now doesn't allow resolution switching mid-game. So if you disabled the 3D mode while in game for example, they are not allowed to switch back to 1080p mode, and vice versa.

There's really only one game that I know lets you change resolutions mid game, and that's GTHD. I can't remember if GT5P does the same as well.

kenta said:
You're assuming it's a bug, I'm assuming it's by design.
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I see no logical reason why it would be by design unless the above is true. But if it is, I agree, it sucks - well it will suck until I get the 3D capable TV, after that I can't imagine ever wanting to play SSDHD in 2D any longer, 1080p or not.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Check Motorstorm: PR. It normally runs in 720p but drops to sub HD when running into 3D. So if it's still in 720p then that's an easy way to tell that Housemarque just messed up with the 3D patch.
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There is no patch for Super Stardust HD tho. I had to re-download it.
I don't think there is a patch for Motorstorm yet, but I'll give it a try.

Edit: No patch for Motorstorm.
 
Lord Error said:
The only possible reason I see is if Sony's TRC now doesn't allow resolution switching mid-game. So if you disabled the 3D mode while in game for example, they are not allowed to switch back to 1080p mode, and vice versa.

There's really only one game that I know lets you change resolutions mid game, and that's GTHD. I can't remember if GT5P does the same as well.
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As I remember, it is mandatory for the BlueRay 3D to be able to see the movies in 3D or 2D. And Sony stated the 3D in games also will be always optional.
 
Just a bug, no doubt. In any case SSHD only runs at 1280x1080. :P

Majine said:
30fps Wipeout HD is not Wipeout HD.
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30fps Wipeout HD is pretty awful. It makes the splitscreen multiplayer mode almost worthless.
 
ShinobiFist said:
I remember a GAFFER saying he got to play Wipeout HD in 3D and the game was running at 30fps. Wipeout in 30fps is not Wipeout.
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You dont get it. The post you quoted refers to Wipeout HD (possibly running @ 30fps) in 2D mode.
 
-COOLIO- said:
if it's 3d im down
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Have you played splitscreen mode? I didn't expect it to be that bad at 30fps, but when I tried it it was game-breaking. It just wasn't very fun and became kind of hard to play.
 
People who tried it said the 3d effects in SSDHD are actually quiet incredible.

I was gonna come in here to bitch, but I'll just wait until I see it myself. Maybe it is awesome.
 
Lord Error said:
The only possible reason I see is if Sony's TRC now doesn't allow resolution switching mid-game. So if you disabled the 3D mode while in game for example, they are not allowed to switch back to 1080p mode, and vice versa.
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That could be easily addressed during the start up process. You start the game. System detects 3D display and asks "Do you want 3D?".

Yes: 720p
No: 1080p
 
Violater said:
So what exactly do I need for 3d?
A new TV and special glasses?
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Nah, you just need the paper glasses. I got my 3D glasses from Sly 2 which was the first game to have 3D.
 
kenta said:
We haven't even mastered HD yet, though, and we're already going to start spreading resources (human and technical) so thin that the games as a whole end up suffering? How about let's get to the point where 1080p/60fps native is standard more often than not? Then we can talk about 3D when we might actually have the technology to support it
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Oh I mean, I don't disagree with you. I just wanted to point out this isn't exactly a new problem for games.

Personally I won't have a 3D display for a long time, probably 5-10 years if I had to guess, so I'd rather games not suffer for it either.
 
you need to cry more...

honestly its an error at sonys side of business, but thank you, that you will ruin the 3d fun for buyers of new tv sets, because when they take this version down, you have to wait till sony decides to upload it again
 
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