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So I listed roughly forty of my favorite SF/Fantasy novels.

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River of Gods / Ian McDonald

Miles Vorkosigan Saga / Lois McMaster Bujold

The Long Price Quartet / Daniel Abraham

Book of the New Sun / Gene Wolfe

Stories of Your Life and Others / Ted Chiang

Left Hand of Darkness / Ursula K. Le Guin

The Road / Cormac McCarthy

The Scar / China Mieville

Dune / Frank Herbert

Slaughterhouse-Five / Kurt Vonnegut

Hyperion / Dan Simmons
 
Dresden said:
Richard K. Morgan: Black Man; released as “Thirteen” in America
(I wanted to cry near the end. Well, maybe not the end. More like the three-fourths of the way in. What a great novel.)

<sigh>

Oh, America.
 
I'm gonna have to look in to your list for the stuff I haven't read yet. Your Ship of Fools recommendation was brilliant. Now one of my all time favorite books and I recommend it to all my friends.
 
List is utter fail without Rothfuss's Name of the Wind.

If you like Lynch's "lies of locke lamora" and "red seas under red skies" its much, much better.
 
iapetus said:
<sigh>

Oh, America.


it could simply have been a concern of the publisher that there may have been confusion with the unrelated novel Black Boy.
 
Manmademan said:
List is utter fail without Rothfuss's Name of the Wind.

If you like Lynch's "lies of locke lamora" and "red seas under red skies" its much, much better.
I actually liked Name of the Wind. I just don't think it's up there with Lamora or even the First Law trilogy from Joe Abercrombie.

CTRL+F Asimov

...

No Asimov?

I respect his achievements and his ideas, but I've never been able to enjoy his books very much.

I'm gonna have to look in to your list for the stuff I haven't read yet. Your Ship of Fools recommendation was brilliant. Now one of my all time favorite books and I recommend it to all my friends.

/brofist

That was such a good book.

<sigh>

Oh, America.

And yeah, that was so dumb.
 
Dresden said:
I actually liked Name of the Wind. I just don't think it's up there with Lamora or even the First Law trilogy from Joe Abercrombie.

wow, seriously? I hated first law. never got past the first book.
 
jon bones said:
nice SNOW CRASH suggestion - i'm reading the diamond age right now and it's fll of <3
Oh, yeah. I really liked the Diamond Age, too, although I thought it had an even weaker ending than Snow Crash. The buildup was amazing though, along with the worldbuilding.


Manmademan said:
wow, seriously? I hated first law. never got past the first book.
To each his own, I guess. Abercrombie almost gleefully subverts standard fantasy tropes as the books go on. And his "Best Served Cold" was excellent. Love his books.
 
Madeline L'Engle's "A Wrinkle in Time" series was pretty good. "Higher Education" was a favorite of mine growing up too.

Million Dollar Baby, and a lot of Card's work also fall into this category for me.
 
Great list. Check out Alastair Reynolds and Peter F Hamilton if you already haven't. They're my two favorite SF authors.
 
SmoothCB said:
Great list. Check out Alastair Reynolds and Peter F Hamilton if you already haven't. They're my two favorite SF authors.
I like Reynolds! Not as big a fan of Peter Hamilton, though. I tried reading his "Neutronium Alchemist" books and I wasn't a big fan.
 
Dresden said:
Gene Wolfe: The Book of the New Sun
(Dense, deep, awesome, and full of win. The realization that Severian, despite all his claims, does not possess perfect memory is one that imbues the novels with greater meaning, and all that shit, blah blah blah blah blah blah.)

Picked the Shadow of the Torturer up on a whim a few years back and got through the first two books. I just recently started reading the series again because I wanted to finish it. It really is a deep carefully thought out and interesting series. It is a little dense though but once you get past that its quite good. Great recommendation.
 
Dresden said:
I tried counting, but I kept losing track, so it's around forty of my favorite science fiction and fantasy novels. I got bored one day and wrote this up, and figured I might as well post it up here and get some input regarding how terrible my taste in books are.

Better than mine! My list would have had some Tamora Pierce in it
 
On the stuff I've read, seems like we agree. I'll have to add some of your recommendations to my reading list. Anubis Gates is one I keep hearing about, maybe I'll read that next.

[Vonnegut]Also where my screenname came from.
Aha! I'd wondered.

[Bujold] However, she's been writing fantasy recently and they've all been generic romance drivel with none of the charm and wit that her sci-fi series possessed. Avoid them—the fantasy stuff, that is.
Wrong! Or at least, only partly right. The latest stuff she's written (Sharing Knife series) is generic romance drivel. But the Chalion stuff is pretty good. If you haven't already, check out The Curse of Chalion, followed by (Hugo-winning) Paladin of Souls.
 
Cyan said:
Wrong! Or at least, only partly right. The latest stuff she's written (Sharing Knife series) is generic romance drivel. But the Chalion stuff is pretty good. If you haven't already, check out The Curse of Chalion, followed by (Hugo-winning) Paladin of Souls.

The Sharing Knife stuff is what I was thinking of. So she wrote good fantasy before that? I'll have to check them out then.
 
Dresden said:
Oh, yeah. I really liked the Diamond Age, too, although I thought it had an even weaker ending than Snow Crash. The buildup was amazing though, along with the worldbuilding.

I like stephenson quite a bit, but didn't read those. I worked my way through Anathem (which I loved to death), Cryptonomicon, and am on book 2 of baroque cycle (which is confusing the hell out of me)
 
A list with 40 books is really not enough if you want to read the best SF/F books. And there aren't enough SF/Fantasy classics on the list. Where's ...

Alfred Bester - The Demolished Man, The Stars My Destination
Isaac Asimov - The Robot stories
Robert A Heinlein ?
One of Poul Anderson's fantasy novels ?
L. Sprague De Camp - Lest Darkness Falls (or The Complete Compleat Enchanter)

I'd scratch "Neuormancer" from the list. That's definitely a novel that hasn't stood the test of time. Apart from that, it's a solid list. Nice to see some love for Guy Gavriel Kay's Tigana (love that book) and Ellen Kushner (although personally I like Swordspoint better)
 
Dresden said:
To each his own, I guess. Abercrombie almost gleefully subverts standard fantasy tropes as the books go on. And his "Best Served Cold" was excellent. Love his books.

Yea, love myself some Abercrombie. He makes most other fantasy writing look silly.
 
Hey, has anyone here read the Old Kingdom trilogy by Nix?

I'd have to say those were some of my favorite books, but almost everyone I know has never even heard of it >.>

Is it actually obscure, or is it just my friends being ignorant?
 
Sielys said:
Hey, has anyone here read the Old Kingdom trilogy by Nix?

I'd have to say those were some of my favorite books, but almost everyone I know has never even heard of it >.>

Is it actually obscure, or is it just my friends being ignorant?
You mean Sabriel, Lirael, and Abhorsen? I read them a long time ago, those were some great books. I think Lirael was my favorite.
 
Dresden said:
You mean Sabriel, Lirael, and Abhorsen? I read them a long time ago, those were some great books. I think Lirael was my favorite.

Yup, those 3. Lirael was the best, for sure.
 
Ctrl+F: "Ender"

*leaves*

EDIT: I do think Ender's Game or The Ender Quartet should be on any Sci-Fi/Fantasy list, but there are other really good books on there. I love Brave New World, Earthsea, Dune. Good stuff.
 
I'm currently reading Lord of Light by Zelazny and I think it may well be the best sf/fantasy I've ever read. Have you read it, and if so what are your thoughts on it?

I think my favourite hard sf books are Light and Nova Swing by M John Harrison. They're very dense but the noir influence is a neat little skew on the genre and sheer volume and weight of the ideas is mind-blowing. These books put across the baffling surreality of the future better than anything else I've read.
 
big ander said:
Ctrl+F: "Ender"

*leaves*

EDIT: I do think Ender's Game or The Ender Quartet should be on any Sci-Fi/Fantasy list, but there are other really good books on there. I love Brave New World, Earthsea, Dune. Good stuff.


I've never read the shadow series, but my opinion of Ender dropped quite a bit with each sequel.
 
levious said:
I've never read the shadow series, but my opinion of Ender dropped quite a bit with each sequel.
Really? I loved Ender's Game, and I read it probably 3 times over the course of 5 years before finally getting to Speaker, Xenocide, and Children. The final three weren't amazing on their own, but reading those 3 in succession was amazing. Together they're like one super book.
 
Dresden said:
Iain Banks: Use of Weapons
(I sometimes wonder if telling people that there's an awesome twist is a spoiler in itself. So I'm not going to tell you that this novel has an awesome twist later on. Oh, oops. Also the best “Culture” novel Banks has written.)

Ray Bradbury: Fahrenheit 451
(them guvurnment folks burning mah books!)

Philip K. Dick: Clans of the Alphane Moon
(it was hard choosing a Dick novel, but I thought this stood out compared to the rest. You could almost say it stands tall and erect in a sea of Dicks. /terrible joke)

William Gibson: Neuromancer

Frank Herbert: Dune
(sadly, his son is fucking his corpse with a limp, ink-stained dick as we speak, but man was this novel mindblowing.)

Aldous Huxley: Brave New World
(a shining example of why drugs are good for you)

Cormac McCarthy: The Road
(Blood Meridian is a better novel, but that ain't sci-fi. )

Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman: Good Omens
(the funniest thing Terry Pratchett ever wrote, and that's including all of his Discworld novels, even “Interesting Times.”. )

Kim Stanley Robinson: The Mars Trilogy
”Red Mars,” “Green Mars,” “Blue Mars”
(Epic scope. I have to admit that I found the first book, “Red Mars,” much more fascinating than the latter two novels. )

Dan Simmons: The Hyperion Cantos
”Hyperion,” “Fall of Hyperion,” “Endymion,” “Rise of Endymion”
(John Clutes once wrote that Hyperion was the greatest space opera ever written. I agree. While “Fall of Hyperion” had the unfortunate inclusion of an rather unnecessary character to pad out its length—since the first novel, Hyperion, was actually split in half due to its size—the latter half of the saga, Endymion, is damn good. There's a bittersweet quality to the narration that takes on a haunting quality when you realize just what the fuck happened at the end. Some people say that it was overwrought and shit, but I say that it was epic. Also, Shrike. Badass motherfucker.)

Neal Stephenson: Snow Crash
(Come for the hype and Hiro, stay for the awesome skater chick)

J.R.R. Tolkien: The Lord of The Rings
(An extremely obscure British writer who once wrote some fantasy series. I heard that this fat guy is going to film some movies and stuff, that shit's gonna bomb. Haha, it'll never be as well-read as the Gormenghast novels!)

Kurt Vonnegut: Slaughter-House Five; or, The Children's Crusade
(One of my favorite novels of all time. Also where my screenname came from. I had to think deeply about which Vonnegut novel I wanted to put in here, so after about five minutes of careful deliberation, I figured that I might as well dump in Slaughterhouse instead of Cat's Cradle or Sirens.)
Great list. Being that those I've quoted are among my favourite authors/books, I will definitely need to check out those I have not read yet.
 
Is it wrong that I would recommend Donaldson's Covenant books over LOTR to a new reader? Although Donaldson's book is heavily inspired by LOTR, I think he does everything better.
 
No Revelation Space trilogy by Alistair Reynolds? No win.

The breadth of Revelation Space trilogy makes the Hyperion Series seem like a TV Sitcom. :D
 
The Quiet Man said:
I enjoyed the Hyperion Cantos, but Olympos and Ilium were awful.
Yeah, sadly this is true. I think there was a lot of potential, with the universe he created, but the story and characters were really average.
 
Dresden said:
Gene Wolfe: The Book of the New Sun
(Dense, deep, awesome, and full of win. The realization that Severian, despite all his claims, does not possess perfect memory is one that imbues the novels with greater meaning, and all that shit, blah blah blah blah blah blah.)

I'll have to reread this - I don't recall the part about the imperfect memory :(.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Is it wrong that I would recommend Donaldson's Covenant books over LOTR to a new reader? Although Donaldson's book is heavily inspired by LOTR, I think he does everything better.

Be careful with your recommendation. Not everyone enjoys a protagonist you want to strangle after every page you read.
 
Great thread! I love reading well-described lists like this. It'll give me more stuff to check out.
I don't know what all this "no <whatever>, list is fail" crap is about. It's the OP's list, not yours. If you want to step up and list what stuff you like, fire away. I for one will enjoy reading it, but I sure won't shit on your list because it has stuff I don't like in it, or lacks my own favourite books.
 
OP, I think you should use this OP as something to update and add to! There are a bunch of GAF questions about recommendations of good SF/Fantasy, and having an updated thread would be great. to have.

I was actually working on one myself. I've posted the work in progress in this post, maybe you can draw something from it. It's kind of a mess still, but if you don't end up doing this then I'll get something up over the next couple of weeks.

I agree with most of your books, though I think that there are a of of missing ones.

This is just the beginning, I expect it'll be updated, corrected and added to regularly for a while. Feel free to post really good Sci-Fi / Fantasy that I have missed and I'll add it. Where the author wrote novels in both genres and the recommendation for them is 'read everything!', they have usually only been listed in one genre.

LINKS

Hugo Award List and Runner Up List. Read all of these books.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award_for_Best_Novel

Arthur C. Clarke Award
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke_Award

Nebula Award
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Award_for_Best_Novel

Top 100 Science Fiction Books (by online vote)
http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/topscifi/lists_books_rank1.html

Next 100 Science Fiction Books (by online vote)
http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/topscifi/lists_books_rank2.html

Top 100 Fantasy Books (by online vote, I do not agree at all with a lot of these)
http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/fantasy100/lists_books.html

Next 100 Fantasy Books (by online vote, I still don't agree with most of these)
http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/fantasy100/lists_books2.html

Top 100 Science Fiction Books (from David Pringle's book detailing his top 100 sci fi books from 1949-1984)
http://www.listology.com/list/david-pringles-best-100-science-fiction-novels

Prometheus Award (Libertarian Science Fiction Award)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_Award

John W. Campbell Memorial Award
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Campbell_Memorial_Award#Recipients

Locus Award for Best Novel (fantasy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_Award_for_Best_Fantasy_Novel

Locus Award for Best Novel (science Fiction)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_Award_for_Best_Science_Fiction_Novel


Science Fiction (Just a sample and start-off point)

Iain Banks - Culture Series
Vernor Vinge - A Fire Upon the Deep; A Deepness in the Sky
Arthur C. Clarke - Childhood's End; Rama Series; 2001: A Space Odyssey; The City and the Stars
Philip Jose Farmer - Riverworld
Larry Niven - Ringworld (sequels are not as good)
Frank Herbert - Dune Chronicles
Isaac Asimov - Foundation Trilogy (and everything else he's written)
Alastair Reynolds - Revelation Space Series (and everything else he's written)
Orson Scott Card - The Ender Series
William Gibson - The Sprawl Trilogy
Robert A. Heinlein - Stranger From a Strange Land; The Moon is a Harsh Mistress; Starship Troopers (not like the movie, much better); (everything else he wrote)
Douglas Adams - Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy; Starship Titanic
Joe Haldeman - The Forever War
Neal Stephenson - (everything he's written)
Peter Hamilton - Confederation Series; Night's Dawn Trilogy; Void Trilogy
Walter M. Miller, Jr. - A Canticle for Leibowitz
George Orwell - 1984
John Wyndham - The Chrysalids; The Day of the Triffids; The Midwich Cuckoos
Ray Bradbury - Fahrenheit 451
Philip K. Dick - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep )and everything else he wrote)
Dan Simmons - Hyperion Cantos
H.G. Wells - The Time Machine; The War of the Worlds
Carl Sagan - Contact
Kurt Vonnegut - Slaughterhouse Five; Cat's Cradle
Jules Verne - 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea; A Journey to the Center of the Earth; Around the World in 80 Days
Stephen Baxter - (everything he wrote, starting with the Xeelee Sequence)
Anthony Burgess - A Clockwork Orange
Daniel Keyes - Flowers for Algernon
David Brin - Uplift Series; Uplift Storm Series; The Postman; The Practice Effect; The Kiln People
Ursula K LeGuin - (everything she wrote)
Greg Bear - The Forge of God; Anvil of Stars; The Way Series; Darwin Series; Blood Music
E.E. Doc Smith - Lensman Series
Richard Morgan - Kovacs Series
James Blish - Cities in Flight Series
Frederik Pohl - Heechee Saga
Kim Stanley Robinson - Mars Trilogy
Gene Wolfe - Book of the New Sun Series
David Weber - Honor Harrington Series
Michael Crichton - Jurassic Park; The Lost World; The Andromeda Strain; Sphere; Timeline; Prey; State of Fear; Next
Roger Zelazny - Lords of Light; This Immortal; (everything he wrote)
Aldous Huxley - Brave New World
Harlan Ellison - (everything he wrote)
Charles Stross - Accelerando; (everything he wrote)
Stanislaw Lem - Solaris; The Cyberiad
Alfred Bester - The Stars My Destination
Gordon Dickson - Lifeship
Poul Anderson - The Boat of a Million Years; (lots of his other stuff)
Ben Bova - (everything he wrote)
Jerry Pournelle - (his best stuff usually is co-authored)
H. Beam Piper - Terro-Human Future History Series
Robert Charles Wilson - Spin; The Chronoliths
C.J. Cherryh - Cyteen; Downbelow Station; Rimrunners; Tripoint; Finity's End; (lots of her other stuff)
Piers Anthony - Biography of a Space Tyrant (totally different from his other work. These five books are fairly dark, very mature and extremely well written)
Julian May - The Saga of Pliocene Exile
Sean McMullen - Greatwinter Trilogy
Olaf Stapledon - Starmaker
Timothy Zahn - Thrawn Trilogy (Star Wars)
Spider Robinson - Deathkiller Trilogy; Stardance Trilogy
 
Remember that these are my favorite series, not necessarily the best.

Also, that's a pretty badass list, grumble. I don't agree with a lot of your choices, but that's certainly a lot of options.
 
It's a bit odd to see a Sci-Fi list with no Asimov (especially one with some Golden Age stuff), but eh, it's up to the lister.
 
grumble said:
OP, I think you should use this OP as something to update and add to! There are a bunch of GAF questions about recommendations of good SF/Fantasy, and having an updated thread would be great. to have.

I was actually working on one myself. I've posted the work in progress in this post, maybe you can draw something from it. It's kind of a mess still, but if you don't end up doing this then I'll get something up over the next couple of weeks.

I agree with most of your books, though I think that there are a of of missing ones.

This is just the beginning, I expect it'll be updated, corrected and added to regularly for a while. Feel free to post really good Sci-Fi / Fantasy that I have missed and I'll add it. Where the author wrote novels in both genres and the recommendation for them is 'read everything!', they have usually only been listed in one genre.

LINKS

Hugo Award List and Runner Up List. Read all of these books.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award_for_Best_Novel


Arthur C. Clarke Award
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke_Award

Nebula Award
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Award_for_Best_Novel

Top 100 Science Fiction Books (by online vote)
http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/topscifi/lists_books_rank1.html

Next 100 Science Fiction Books (by online vote)
http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/topscifi/lists_books_rank2.html

Top 100 Fantasy Books (by online vote, I do not agree at all with a lot of these)
http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/fantasy100/lists_books.html

Next 100 Fantasy Books (by online vote, I still don't agree with most of these)
http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/fantasy100/lists_books2.html

Top 100 Science Fiction Books (from David Pringle's book detailing his top 100 sci fi books from 1949-1984)
http://www.listology.com/list/david-pringles-best-100-science-fiction-novels

Prometheus Award (Libertarian Science Fiction Award)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_Award

John W. Campbell Memorial Award
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Campbell_Memorial_Award#Recipients

Locus Award for Best Novel (fantasy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_Award_for_Best_Fantasy_Novel

Locus Award for Best Novel (science Fiction)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_Award_for_Best_Science_Fiction_Novel


Science Fiction (Just a sample and start-off point)

Iain Banks - Culture Series
Vernor Vinge - A Fire Upon the Deep; A Deepness in the Sky
Arthur C. Clarke - Childhood's End; Rama Series; 2001: A Space Odyssey; The City and the Stars
Philip Jose Farmer - Riverworld
Larry Niven - Ringworld (sequels are not as good)
Frank Herbert - Dune Chronicles
Isaac Asimov - Foundation Trilogy (and everything else he's written)
Alastair Reynolds - Revelation Space Series (and everything else he's written)
Orson Scott Card - The Ender Series
William Gibson - The Sprawl Trilogy
Robert A. Heinlein - Stranger From a Strange Land; The Moon is a Harsh Mistress; Starship Troopers (not like the movie, much better); (everything else he wrote)
Douglas Adams - Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy; Starship Titanic
Joe Haldeman - The Forever War
Neal Stephenson - (everything he's written)
Peter Hamilton - Confederation Series; Night's Dawn Trilogy; Void Trilogy
Walter M. Miller, Jr. - A Canticle for Leibowitz
George Orwell - 1984
John Wyndham - The Chrysalids; The Day of the Triffids; The Midwich Cuckoos
Ray Bradbury - Fahrenheit 451
Philip K. Dick - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep )and everything else he wrote)
Dan Simmons - Hyperion Cantos
H.G. Wells - The Time Machine; The War of the Worlds
Carl Sagan - Contact
Kurt Vonnegut - Slaughterhouse Five; Cat's Cradle
Jules Verne - 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea; A Journey to the Center of the Earth; Around the World in 80 Days
Stephen Baxter - (everything he wrote, starting with the Xeelee Sequence)
Anthony Burgess - A Clockwork Orange
Daniel Keyes - Flowers for Algernon
David Brin - Uplift Series; Uplift Storm Series; The Postman; The Practice Effect; The Kiln People
Ursula K LeGuin - (everything she wrote)
Greg Bear - The Forge of God; Anvil of Stars; The Way Series; Darwin Series; Blood Music
E.E. Doc Smith - Lensman Series
Richard Morgan - Kovacs Series
James Blish - Cities in Flight Series
Frederik Pohl - Heechee Saga
Kim Stanley Robinson - Mars Trilogy
Gene Wolfe - Book of the New Sun Series
David Weber - Honor Harrington Series
Michael Crichton - Jurassic Park; The Lost World; The Andromeda Strain; Sphere; Timeline; Prey; State of Fear; Next
Roger Zelazny - Lords of Light; This Immortal; (everything he wrote)
Aldous Huxley - Brave New World
Harlan Ellison - (everything he wrote)
Charles Stross - Accelerando; (everything he wrote)
Stanislaw Lem - Solaris; The Cyberiad
Alfred Bester - The Stars My Destination
Gordon Dickson - Lifeship
Poul Anderson - The Boat of a Million Years; (lots of his other stuff)
Ben Bova - (everything he wrote)
Jerry Pournelle - (his best stuff usually is co-authored)
H. Beam Piper - Terro-Human Future History Series
Robert Charles Wilson - Spin; The Chronoliths
C.J. Cherryh - Cyteen; Downbelow Station; Rimrunners; Tripoint; Finity's End; (lots of her other stuff)
Piers Anthony - Biography of a Space Tyrant (totally different from his other work. These five books are fairly dark, very mature and extremely well written)
Julian May - The Saga of Pliocene Exile
Sean McMullen - Greatwinter Trilogy
Olaf Stapledon - Starmaker
Timothy Zahn - Thrawn Trilogy (Star Wars)
Spider Robinson - Deathkiller Trilogy; Stardance Trilogy
Great post. I'm gonna bookmark this thread for future reference.
 
Stridone said:
No Raymond Feist dissapoints me.

Feist? Really? I mean the first four Riftwar Novels aren't bad by any means but I don't think they belong with some of these other books.
 
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